AJ''s ering "downgrade"...to a GOG OMC !

[arjunajane]

welcome back Miss Ellen! I hope your mini-vacay was relaxing.

I just want to let you know I've read your questions, and I'm going to
give them some thought, and likely get back tomorrow (getting a lil late here)..

You've been an enormous help to me since I joined PS, and I can tell this topic
is playing on your mind; so I'd like to give some proper & responsible answers and insights for you, instead of just "I love my new stone" gushings, lol..

For now lovey, thankyou for the comment on the pics, that means alot coming from the
"fire and arrows queen" lol

I'd be careful what you say about posting more....as I do have alot more piccies - but I don't want to come across as a self indulgent jerk, lol..


ROFL - what a funny thing to say, yes you're hubby's comment is certainly the least complimentary one that has come up so far, ha ha! yes, boys

So, I will thunk on it and get back with ya..I hope you don't mind..?

 

[AdiS]

AJ, dear, you know I loved Perry so much, but this one is... just... STUNNING!

I can''t believe all the colours, dimension and character this stone has! It''s absolutely gorgeous, it looks just like a little magical crystal ball! I hope all you see in it is happiness and joy, honey!

P.S. Love the cabbage shots!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 7/6/2009 2:51:52 AM
Author: gwendolyn

Date: 7/6/2009 12:16:37 AM

I will be lost if my internet goes ka-put and I can''t browse this thread! I need my own stash, just in case!

tee hee, you''re too cute G - stash away hon!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/6/2009 9:46:47 AM
Author: arjunajane

welcome back Miss Ellen! I hope your mini-vacay was relaxing.

I just want to let you know I''ve read your questions, and I''m going to
give them some thought, and likely get back tomorrow (getting a lil late here)..

You''ve been an enormous help to me since I joined PS, and I can tell this topic
is playing on your mind; so I''d like to give some proper & responsible answers and insights for you, instead of just ''I love my new stone'' gushings, lol..

For now lovey, thankyou for the comment on the pics, that means alot coming from the
''fire and arrows queen'' lol

I''d be careful what you say about posting more....as I do have alot more piccies - but I don''t want to come across as a self indulgent jerk, lol..


ROFL - what a funny thing to say, yes you''re hubby''s comment is certainly the least complimentary one that has come up so far, ha ha! yes, boys

So, I will thunk on it and get back with ya..I hope you don''t mind..?

Thank you miss! And of course I don''t mind you thinking on my questions! That''s exactly what I''d want you to do. So take all the time you need, I really appreciate you doing this aj. And I''m so glad to have been help to you in the past.

As for posting more pics? There cannot be too many. Seriously.

 

[Monnyjay]

AJ that is some downgrade, what a beautiful diamond I bet you can''t keep your eyes off it - STUNNING

 

[KtIceRN]

I am SOOO late to this party, but AJ your downgrade is so not a downgrade!
That stone is simply amazing!!!! I LOVE it! You did an great job picking out that stone. I know you will be wearing it proudly for a very long time!!
Congrats!!!!!!!!!

 

[Aida1010]

what a gorgeous ring!! All of your photos are to die for!! I really love the pointed triangular look to the prongs.

 

[starshine]

Your ring is absolutely TO DIE FOR!!!!

I just can not believe the rainbows that beauty reflects!!!

 

[Kelli]

I''m SOOO late to find this but OMG!!!! Your "downgrade" (YEAH RIGHT!!!!) is AMAZING!!! I gotta admit I originally got sad because I LOVED your K stone, but this one is even more amazing! I''m gonna have to have one of these some day!!

 

[Indylady]

WOW!

 

[Laila619]

More pics, more pics! There''s seriously no such thing as too many pics of this beautiful stone.

 

[LtlFirecracker]

Love it, what a beautiful ring. I love the fact that is shows a different face in different lighting situations.

 

[arjunajane]

 

[arjunajane]

 

[arjunajane]

with band..

 

[arjunajane]

okay, bye for now

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 7/6/2009 9:22:47 AM
Author: Ellen
Ok, I'm back and rested up from my vaca, in which I thought about these cushions often.

I guess my biggest question about it is, where would you say it lacks compared to the H&A. And when I say lack, I don't mean to imply that it's bad, maybe just different. Is there any time you look at it and think, the round would look better here? (certain lighting) Or, do you ever look at it and say, this thing is kicking the rounds butt? (again, certain lighting) I guess I'm just thinking how my round never lacks, in any lighhting. That's what keeps me from getting Jon on the phone right now. I do so love my round, and I just don't want any regrets. In a perfect world, I'd just own both, but that's not happening.

Hello again Miss Ellen,

Okay, so been thinking...not sure how helpful my insights will be, but I'll try!
Also, I am of course relying on memory - but I also went back through all my pics etc to gather my thoughts on the RB...
In a short answer, it's exactly what you said - No lacking when compared to my Isee2, just simply different.
If we're being honest, they are really a very different diamond!

Speaking personally, the difference is 100% in a good way - I simply cannot fault this diamond, in any light - is the honest truth. (sorry!)..
Like Jon has mentioned - ambient or indirect sunlight is where it absolutely **shines** - I could seriously walk and sit around under shady trees all day, lol!
But as we know, unfortunately this is not our usual environment, so:

-under spot or down lighting it's a bright sparkly rectangle of white and coloured fire, and the blocky facets shine up in different colours.

-inside on a regular overcast winter day with little natural light, it still manages to have that interplay of pastel colours and flashes throughout the facets. Doesn't go dull at all. This is where I would say the OMC has an advantage over the RB, as my one would've sometimes gone "steely" in this lighting, if you kwim?

- in very low light - say, in the car at night time - I would say they're about equal on performance, but of course completely different look. That's when I'd get silvery arrows (like your lovely av), now I get silvery blocky facets.

- in the sun, it picks up the sky blue colour in the mirrors that have shown in some of my pics, and the fire is everything you'd expect - broad, bright and plentiful!
I would say, my RB had just slightly more fire in this lighting, likely because of the additional pin fire flash - but the OMC has (what's to my eye at least), *better* fire, as in brighter, bigger, chunkier.
Also, another advantage is the OMC doesn't go dark/flat, as we know can sometimes happen in direct sun with the H&A.

- one thing to mention, just on casual observation (let's say when I caught myself walking past the mirror), the RB looked a *tad* brighter from a distance, like more noticeable. But I can't say for sure if this is just more an effect of the OMC's smaller size and lower colour, and not the cut *shrugs*

Basically, I loved my RB too (you know that!), and I will always appreciate the beauty of H&A's (in all shapes), and hopefully own them again for other projects in the future
But for my ering which I admire every day, the difference (which others seem to have noticed in the pics), is it's ability to change constantly - it's simply fascinating to watch the interplay of colours and lights and chunky facets all the time, and I can honestly say I stare at my hand *alot* atm...as in, lots !

The presence of all these rainbow colours in my pics, that is seriously what I see, in almost all lighting. Which is something I didn't get with my RB.


I should mention, I think there is def. a personal taste element at play - as even though I loved the performance of my RB, the times when I liked it best; ie. lighting up with colours and throwing fire - is exactly what the OMC has in spades. And, I always did favour chunkier arrows and broader facets (never been a fan of splintery facets in general), so clearly this cut is just more "me".

Whether it's also Ellen, is a whole 'nother question

If this helps, I thought I would miss my arrows - I don't.
I thought I would miss the extra size - not at all.

So, I'm not sure how helpful this is to you Ellen..I've tried to be as frank as possible and not impart emotion to the judgement.
Please feel free to ask me for more specifics or any other Q's as much as you like.

Is there a way you can have Jon send you one in a temp holder to road test next to your RB, to check how you feel?



ETA: whoa, I just realized how long this is, eek!

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/3/2009 5:21:09 AM
Author: arjunajane
and another rainbow

okay..where was I, lol..

Hey BEG..aww, another kitten, cool!..personally I''m a puppy person, but can''t have one where I live

That''s okay, I''ll make do with my pet rocks for now

Hope you liked the new piccies!

Thankyou legra, on both counts.

rofl, Deco - yup, no violence or threats, I promise! Just Jon doing a sincerely nice
thing for us. Yeah, I''m actually really glad I didn''t change the setting just yet, so maybe
the no replies from CM were a lil bit of fate, lol..thanks hon!

Hey LG, thankyou for your kind compliments, I''m glad you enjoyed the pics.

Thankyou Marian!

Very nice ring arjuna and your photography skills are excellent! I am really wondering if an L would be a good fit for my fiance and your pictures are moving me in that direction. That being said please do a picture with you wearing white or in front of a white background faceup and in profile of the ring. I am just wondering in what cases where you do see the colour and under what lighting conditions. My Fiance would be bothered by a hit of yellow if she could perceive it although warmth or the chameleon like properties of the stone won''t bother her.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/7/2009 9:31:08 AM
Author: arjunajane

Hello again Miss Ellen,

Okay, so been thinking...not sure how helpful my insights will be, but I''ll try!
Also, I am of course relying on memory - but I also went back through all my pics etc to gather my thoughts on the RB...
In a short answer, it''s exactly what you said - No lacking when compared to my Isee2, just simply different.
If we''re being honest, they are really a very different diamond!

Speaking personally, the difference is 100% in a good way - I simply cannot fault this diamond, in any light - is the honest truth. (sorry!)..
Like Jon has mentioned - ambient or indirect sunlight is where it absolutely **shines** - I could seriously walk and sit around under shady trees all day, lol!
But as we know, unfortunately this is not our usual environment, so:

-under spot or down lighting it''s a bright sparkly rectangle of white and coloured fire, and the blocky facets shine up in different colours.

-inside on a regular overcast winter day with little natural light, it still manages to have that interplay of pastel colours and flashes throughout the facets. Doesn''t go dull at all. This is where I would say the OMC has an advantage over the RB, as my one would''ve sometimes gone ''steely'' in this lighting, if you kwim?

- in very low light - say, in the car at night time - I would say they''re about equal on performance, but of course completely different look. That''s when I''d get silvery arrows (like your lovely av), now I get silvery blocky facets.

- in the sun, it picks up the sky blue colour in the mirrors that have shown in some of my pics, and the fire is everything you''d expect - broad, bright and plentiful!
I would say, my RB had just slightly more fire in this lighting, likely because of the additional pin fire flash - but the OMC has (what''s to my eye at least), *better* fire, as in brighter, bigger, chunkier.
Also, another advantage is the OMC doesn''t go dark/flat, as we know can sometimes happen in direct sun with the H&A.

- one thing to mention, just on casual observation (let''s say when I caught myself walking past the mirror), the RB looked a *tad* brighter from a distance, like more noticeable. But I can''t say for sure if this is just more an effect of the OMC''s smaller size and lower colour, and not the cut *shrugs*

Basically, I loved my RB too (you know that!), and I will always appreciate the beauty of H&A''s (in all shapes), and hopefully own them again for other projects in the future
But for my ering which I admire every day, the difference (which others seem to have noticed in the pics), is it''s ability to change constantly - it''s simply fascinating to watch the interplay of colours and lights and chunky facets all the time, and I can honestly say I stare at my hand *alot* atm...as in, lots !

The presence of all these rainbow colours in my pics, that is seriously what I see, in almost all lighting. Which is something I didn''t get with my RB.


I should mention, I think there is def. a personal taste element at play - as even though I loved the performance of my RB, the times when I liked it best; ie. lighting up with colours and throwing fire - is exactly what the OMC has in spades. And, I always did favour chunkier arrows and broader facets (never been a fan of splintery facets in general), so clearly this cut is just more ''me''.

Whether it''s also Ellen, is a whole ''nother question

If this helps, I thought I would miss my arrows - I don''t.
I thought I would miss the extra size - not at all.

So, I''m not sure how helpful this is to you Ellen..I''ve tried to be as frank as possible and not impart emotion to the judgement.
Please feel free to ask me for more specifics or any other Q''s as much as you like.

Is there a way you can have Jon send you one in a temp holder to road test next to your RB, to check how you feel?



ETA: whoa, I just realized how long this is, eek!

aj, thank you SO much. I could not have asked for a more thorough analysis, seriously! You''ve pretty much answered anything and everything I''ve wondered about. I do realize we are not comparing apples here, still, you''ve really done a great job of "comparing".

I also realize personal taste plays a big part, but I love many different cuts, and, the big/bold chunky flash is one of my favorite things about a diamond, so it''s totally got that going for it. And I was glad to hear you didn''t miss the arrows.... It sounds (and looks) just awesome.

I don''t know, I''ll have to think on it a bit more. But I think I could definitely get it home for a month for a real comparison....



Again, thank you so much aj, this was just so helpful!

 

[jet2ks]

AJ, just ''cuz I had to look at your new pics and the last one jumped out

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/7/2009 10:36:30 AM
Author: jet2ks
AJ, just ''cuz I had to look at your new pics and the last one jumped out

Thats beautiful!!!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 7/7/2009 10:36:30 AM
Author: jet2ks
AJ, just ''cuz I had to look at your new pics and the last one jumped out

Ha! You beat me, I was thinking of doing that.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/3/2009 7:12:51 AM
Author: Chrono

Date: 7/2/2009 1:12:57 PM
Author: Chrono


Here you go:
Face up surface area of RB: 38.19 mm square
Face up surface area of OMC: 37.22 mm square


It looks like the difference is very tiny, only 1 mm square, which I attribute to the roundedness of the RB and pokey corners of the OMC. I guess it would make sense that the OMC would be shallower because it has less carat weight too? Well, I’m not complaining about how much shallower these OMCs are compared to the true OMC antiques that can have up to 80% depths!

AJ,
In case you missed my Math on page 3.

Chrono your math is not on page 3 and unfortunately is wrong sorry to reign on the parade!

Surface Area of OMC is fine to approximate= Length*Width which you have done.
Surface Area of RB is a circle= Pie*RSquared (Where R=radius and is calculated as SquareRoot(LengthSquared + WidthSquared)).

SA of OMC = 37.22mm squared
SA of RB= 49.12mm Squared

24% change in size.

This is a non trivial difference as expected! RB are going to be spreadier carat for carat due to the shallower depth. In addition she is going down in carats so it will always make sense that it should be smaller at least by the change in carat weight.
I still love the ring and the big chunky facets and optical properties make this stone look bigger which is great but lets be fair and call it like it is.

 

[dragonfly411]

Arjuna- I think your "downgrade" is quite possibly my favorite ring on here. It is absolutely Stunning and I might have to have one of these stones at some point. To die for, seriously. Love it!

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 7/7/2009 10:42:07 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 7/7/2009 10:36:30 AM
Author: jet2ks
AJ, just ''cuz I had to look at your new pics and the last one jumped out

Ha! You beat me, I was thinking of doing that.

(Good to see you back, Ellen)

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 7/7/2009 10:59:09 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/3/2009 7:12:51 AM
Author: Chrono

Date: 7/2/2009 1:12:57 PM
Author: Chrono



Here you go:
Face up surface area of RB: 38.19 mm square
Face up surface area of OMC: 37.22 mm square



It looks like the difference is very tiny, only 1 mm square, which I attribute to the roundedness of the RB and pokey corners of the OMC. I guess it would make sense that the OMC would be shallower because it has less carat weight too? Well, I’m not complaining about how much shallower these OMCs are compared to the true OMC antiques that can have up to 80% depths!

AJ,
In case you missed my Math on page 3.

Chrono your math is not on page 3 and unfortunately is wrong sorry to reign on the parade!

Surface Area of OMC is fine to approximate= Length*Width which you have done.
Surface Area of RB is a circle= Pie*RSquared (Where R=radius and is calculated as SquareRoot(LengthSquared + WidthSquared)).

SA of OMC = 37.22mm squared
SA of RB= 49.12mm Squared

24% change in size.

This is a non trivial difference as expected! RB are going to be spreadier carat for carat due to the shallower depth. In addition she is going down in carats so it will always make sense that it should be smaller at least by the change in carat weight.
I still love the ring and the big chunky facets and optical properties make this stone look bigger which is great but lets be fair and call it like it is.

Where R=radius and is calculated as SquareRoot(LengthSquared + WidthSquared)/2) (Forgot to divide by 2)

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 7/7/2009 10:30:58 AM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 7/3/2009 5:21:09 AM

Very nice ring arjuna and your photography skills are excellent! I am really wondering if an L would be a good fit for my fiance and your pictures are moving me in that direction. That being said please do a picture with you wearing white or in front of a white background faceup and in profile of the ring. I am just wondering in what cases where you do see the colour and under what lighting conditions. My Fiance would be bothered by a hit of yellow if she could perceive it although warmth or the chameleon like properties of the stone won't bother her.

CCL,
I'm sorry, I don't really understand what you are asking "face up and in profile of the ring"..could you pls clarify?

My one's an M, so already an L would be slightly less tint for you.
There is no yellow at all, just a slight hint of warmth in the background in only occasional lighting.
That said, I don't claim to be a colour-sensitive person, so only you can decide
what your girl will be ok with

When I say in the background, it's because the facets light up no matter what the
environment, so the "tint" is secondary...but here, I think this photo may explain better what I'm trying to...this is about as "bad" as it gets.
As for lighting situations, for normal viewing (ie. not macro photos), I would say only in very low artificial lighting (ie. inside at night time).

As to the math thing - well, thanks..I think!

Usually that kinda dispute is reserved for RT - I really don't mind about the numbers,
I'm just extremely happy with the diamond over all, and have mentioned a couple times
I'm not fazed about the downgrade in size.

 

[arjunajane]

You''re more than welcome Ellen! I''m glad you found my ramblings helpful

I think a real life trial sounds like a great idea, keep us updated on how you go

Ha ha, cheers Jet ! *stashes av''s away for future use*..

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 7/6/2009 9:47:06 AM
Author: AdiS
AJ, dear, you know I loved Perry so much, but this one is... just... STUNNING!

I can''t believe all the colours, dimension and character this stone has! It''s absolutely gorgeous, it looks just like a little magical crystal ball! I hope all you see in it is happiness and joy, honey!

P.S. Love the cabbage shots!

Hullo Adis my friend!

awww..thankyou for your kind comments, I appreciate it.
And I''m glad you like the cabbage shots, I was starting to feel self-conscious

lol!

 

[that_someone_special]

Oh my goshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... Lovely!! I am so not in a responding type of mood right now.. but i just had to say WOW WOWOWOWOWOW!