Am I the only one here...

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:04:09 PM
Author: sunnyd

Date: 10/6/2009 4:00:56 PM
Author: dragonfly411
I don''t like bum showing skirts either, so it''s not age related

Well I love showing my bum!!! Just kidding...

What''s so offensive about nudity?

me too,but i ain''t got any

 

[Vancity]

It''s definitely possible for men to dress "inappropriately".

For example, in one of our local government offices, there is guy who is about 6 FT tall and weighs about 200 lbs. He looks like he shopped in the boyswear dept. of JC Penny, circa the mid-1970''s. Plaid too tight polyester suits...need I say more.

The blazers are bad, but it''s his pants that are the epitome of inappropriate. They are sooo skintight, it looks like he stuffed a Kosher Vlasic down there. We can see his sausage cascading half way down his leg from at least 100 yards. ICK

 

[swimmer]

I also don''t see that nudity/scantily clad=sex connection. I am a swimmer (obviously) and in training and coaching, I''m sitting, standing, or in the water in a competitive speedo at least 4 hours a day. I do drive home from practice in a suit with flipflops and a towel tied around my waist (I never go to the grocery in a wet swimsuit though, man the freezer section would be awful). Anyone who thinks that this is the least bit sexual, I truly believe has some sort of repression issues or never exercises. (For work I don''t show shoulders or knees, but that is a different situation.)

The last triathlon I did was entirely in a two piece racing speedo. It was not the least bit sexual. My military service was in a predominantly male unit. I saw a lot of that unit... Not sexual at all. Can you imagine getting them to all turn around so a girl could pee in private out on patrol in the desert? Ha! When I got wounded my guys ripped my shredded uniform off to see that the wounds were minor. It was not sexual.
We are all human, pretty much the same. Hey, you only get one body, there are no trade in policies; use it and love it as you don''t get to keep it forever.

A side note about teenagers, many hs students change their clothes once they get to school, not sure how to stop that as a teacher and it is so hard to enforce dress code policies these days. In order to not offend a variety of cultures, we can not have regulations concerning head covering or midriff. But the butcheeks hanging out are just gross. I tell the kids that they are sharing butt germs with anyone else who sat there...hopefully that grosses them out. I wonder why parents let their kids spend good money on clothes like that!

 

[Haven]

Vancity--Ugh. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

I must either be totally oblivious to it, or all the men around me must have someone at home helping them dress properly, because I''ve never seen anything like what has been described. A little too much chest hair poking out of a button down, maybe, but that''s about as bad as it gets.

 

[somethingshiny]

Date: 10/6/2009 7:01:32 PM
Author: Haven

Date: 10/6/2009 6:49:47 PM

Author: somethingshiny

And, HAVEN, yes, men do walk around shirtless around here. My dad is a leading culprit. He also wears shorts that don''t quite cover the nads on a hot day.

I hope I''m misunderstanding that part!

You are NOT misunderstanding. It''s frightening really. Daisy Dukes are his LONG shorts!! He''s also walked into a bar with a see-through black thong on. I was in that bar. I went temporarily blind and haven''t returned.

My dad is the one who pesters me the most about our no-nudity living. He thinks it''s grand and that we''re really missing out. Maybe that''s part of my reason. I was around enough bar trash and prostitutes while growing up, so I nearly always associate nudity with sex because it was.


The exceptions for me are when near-nudity is the appropriate look. The beach, the pool, the fitting room, some sports are appropriate places for nudity and it is definitely not-sexual.

I took the OP''s post to indicate "gratuitous nudity" rather than nudity in general. And, to me, gratuitous nudity is just that.

 

[swimmer]

Perhaps those of us in colder climates see less inappropriate dress?

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/6/2009 3:48:31 PM
Author:TooPatient
I''ve seen a couple of threads recently that have left me wondering something.

I know there are different lifestyle choices people make. I don''t care. That is their business. Whatever makes them happy. I don''t ask about their private lives and as long as they don''t try to force their choice on me I don''t have any problems with whatever they do.


Am I the only one left (on this planet) who thinks that bodies are a special thing only to be shared with your SO? I cover my body and expect B to do the same. We don''t go to places with overly revealing clothing (luckily we both hate the beach anyway). Strict no nudiy rule when it comes to movies.

I think this is an area that should be shared and special between just the two.


Is this an outdated way of life?

No. You are not the ONLY one on these forums who prefers a more traditional view on relationships and morals. It just seems that way because so few people are willing to be deemed ''judgmental'' by expressing their honest disagreement with risky and risque behavior.

Obviously, I have no such qualms.

But, if you want the honest to God truth of the matter, a traditional viewpoint is often anything but welcome on some of the PS threads. Which, no doubt, is the reason you felt the need to ask this question.

I say we plan a ''coup''.

Save PS from the infidels.

 

[Hera]

I don''t understand the movies thing. You don''t watch movies with nudity because......? you''re sharing their body? their sharing their body with you? Seeing their naked body means you''re having an intimate experience with them...?

 

[CNOS128]

Hmm, interesting.

I generally consider myself to be a pretty conservative dresser and don''t personally feel comfortable in very revealing clothes. But I think it has more to do with my body image issues than any morals or values. I''m generally okay with other people showing whatever amount of skin they like (although I will judge them for their poor fashion choices).

TV/movie nudity doesn''t offend me. I see it as being part of the art, like a nude sculpture or painting or something.


I''m curious as to how you, Too Patient, (and others here who disagree with public nudity on a moral level) feel about women breastfeeding in public - which I think we can all agree is un-sexual?

 

[musey]

What a silly thread!

Date: 10/6/2009 3:48:31 PM
Author:TooPatient
Am I the only one left (on this planet) who thinks that bodies are a special thing only to be shared with your SO? I cover my body and expect B to do the same. We don't go to places with overly revealing clothing (luckily we both hate the beach anyway). Strict no nudiy rule when it comes to movies.

Of course not. Did you seriously think you were the "only one left on this planet" to hold these ideals? Many cultures, and individuals, hold themselves to very strict standards of coverage. Ever heard of a burka?

I think this is an area that should be shared and special between just the two.

Is this an outdated way of life?

For some, yes. For others, no.

Everyone has their own ideas of "special areas that should be shared and special between the two," whether it be body parts, certain activities, or even emotional openness. Everyone is different.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:39:05 PM
Author: TooPatient


They just don''t know what they are missing. Their loss.

We certainly have plenty of great times together. (usually once a day -- sometimes more)

I didn''t say we covered up at home....
And my underwear are totally different than my conservative outerwear. But only B gets to see that.

give him a break!!. let see

365 days per yr X 1.5 per day avg.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/6/2009 7:13:09 PM
Author: swimmer
I also don''t see that nudity/scantily clad=sex connection. I am a swimmer (obviously) and in training and coaching, I''m sitting, standing, or in the water in a competitive speedo at least 4 hours a day. I do drive home from practice in a suit with flipflops and a towel tied around my waist (I never go to the grocery in a wet swimsuit though, man the freezer section would be awful). Anyone who thinks that this is the least bit sexual, I truly believe has some sort of repression issues or never exercises. (For work I don''t show shoulders or knees, but that is a different situation.)

The last triathlon I did was entirely in a two piece racing speedo. It was not the least bit sexual. My military service was in a predominantly male unit. I saw a lot of that unit... Not sexual at all. Can you imagine getting them to all turn around so a girl could pee in private out on patrol in the desert? Ha! When I got wounded my guys ripped my shredded uniform off to see that the wounds were minor. It was not sexual.

We are all human, pretty much the same. Hey, you only get one body, there are no trade in policies; use it and love it as you don''t get to keep it forever.

A side note about teenagers, many hs students change their clothes once they get to school, not sure how to stop that as a teacher and it is so hard to enforce dress code policies these days. In order to not offend a variety of cultures, we can not have regulations concerning head covering or midriff. But the butcheeks hanging out are just gross. I tell the kids that they are sharing butt germs with anyone else who sat there...hopefully that grosses them out. I wonder why parents let their kids spend good money on clothes like that!

Good point about athletes having different feelings on nudity, swimmer. I didn''t think about it until you said it, but I bet a lot of why I have no hang ups about nudity is my background in athletics. I played soccer and field hockey at a very competitive level through high school and was around plenty half-naked women and men because of it.

When it''s 100 degrees and I''m in goalie gear, there''s no way I''m wearing a shirt. My team was lucky I wore a sports bra on those days!

All of my dancer friends in college were the same way. And when you pull a hamstring and a physical therapist is basically rubbing on your butt, it''s hard to think of it as sexual. Even now I have no problem whipping my shirt off after a soccer game in the heat.

Bodies are beautiful, functional things-hiding from that seems silly.

 

[musey]

Date: 10/6/2009 7:00:12 PM
Author: princesss
I just think that nudity is natural and no big deal. I would much rather see nudity in a movie than violence. We were all born naked, after all. And I prefer to see living human beings, flaws and all, rather than an idealized version of what a man should look like. We are how we are, and that''s fantastic.

+1

I will add that I never bought the "vital to the story" excuse for nudity in film until I watched The Tudors. My husband and I watched that show, then I re-watched with a friend at work during our lunch breaks. Since we were at work, it sorta goes without saying that we fast-forwarded through nudity. Seeing it minus those scenes the second time through, it really cast the characters in an incomplete light, felt like we were missing something.

It can be necessary for advancement of plot and authenticity. That''s not to say all nudity is called for, in fact, the vast majority of it isn''t. However, there''s something immersive and authentic about its inclusion when it''s done well.

 

[swimmer]

Date: 10/6/2009 7:20:23 PM
Author: heraanderson
I don''t understand the movies thing. You don''t watch movies with nudity because......? you''re sharing their body? their sharing their body with you? Seeing their naked body means you''re having an intimate experience with them...?

I''m also confused. Their TV must have much better resolution than ours!

 

[musey]

Date: 10/6/2009 6:39:16 PM
Author: Haven
I didn''t know it is legal to walk around a store in a bikini, we don''t see any of that here in Chicago!

Me neither, and I live in a beach town. I''ve never even seen that in Hawaii. Maybe a bikini with a sarong over it, but never just a bikini. Huh.

 

[Hera]

Date: 10/6/2009 7:20:23 PM
Author: heraanderson
I don't understand the movies thing. You don't watch movies with nudity because......? you're sharing their body? their sharing their body with you? Seeing their naked body means you're having an intimate experience with them...?

Just wanted to add that this line of thinking would stress me out. If you think there's some sort of sharing, then maybe you think your boyfriend is sharing something with another woman if he sees her scantily clad?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/6/2009 6:39:16 PM
Author: Haven

As for the beach, I wear bikinis when I''m in shape and I don''t really see anything wrong with that. I didn''t know it is legal to walk around a store in a bikini, we don''t see any of that here in Chicago!

in sub zero weather ?? turn on them headlights!!

 

[somethingshiny]

First off, my father the freak lives in IL and his nad showing shorts are his traditional summer attire, complete with sleeveless unbuttoned shirt. Since fall is here, he has started wearing more clothes but we''ll see those Daisies again next year. So, where you live doesn''t seem to be a factor in these outfits.

Why don''t I like nudity in movies?

First and foremost, I feel uncomfortable seeing it. DH feels uncomfortable seeing it. If you feel uncomfortable watching a horror movie or a true-crime movie, you don''t watch it. Why would I be any different? Why does it make me uncomfortable? Because I know that is somebody''s wife/mother/daughter/sister. I can''t unthink those thoughts and it disturbs me. I would be horrified if my little sis decided to bare it all publicly. If I wouldn''t watch it in real life (peeping tom), why would I look at it in a movie?

"Nudity is a normal part of life."

Yes. So is violence (unfortunately). Some people can''t watch violence, it wouldn''t even cross my mind to ask them why. Obviously it''s uncomfortable and doesn''t bring happy emotions.


I''d like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don''t really require it, so if it isn''t closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you''re sharing an intimate experience? Because they''re sharing their body with you?

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:18:48 PM
Author: Bia

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM



I must be too because I really don''t have a problem with it. In fact, I often look at men''s magazines like Maxim...it gives me motivation to get my butt in gear. That and I appreciate a beautiful body...man or woman.

I do this too - on my refrigerator is a naked pic of Christina Aguilera draped over some silk sheets (can''t see any of her "parts") that was from a spread in Maxim. She and I are the same body type and size - it totally helps me to practice self control when opening the fridge.

 

[musey]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
I'd like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don't really require it, so if it isn't closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you're sharing an intimate experience? Because they're sharing their body with you?

I wouldn't say that I like to watch nudity, any more than I like to watch any other sort of scene. It's just another part of story telling.

I will say that when it is necessary (as in the example I provided above, The Tudors), I don't feel uncomfortable watching it. When it isn't necessary, I feel the slightest bit uneasy. Not something I really realized until I thought about it just now. I suppose one could say that whether or not it's 'necessary' in any given case is up for debate.

 

[somethingshiny]

Thank you, musey, for your response. I think at one point in time EVERYONE is "uneasy" about nudity. Some people get completely over it, some retain the uneasiness, and some steer clear.

 

[Haven]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
First off, my father the freak lives in IL and his nad showing shorts are his traditional summer attire, complete with sleeveless unbuttoned shirt. Since fall is here, he has started wearing more clothes but we''ll see those Daisies again next year. So, where you live doesn''t seem to be a factor in these outfits.

Somethingshiny--I have the funniest (and most disturbing) mental image of your father, ha! I''m in Illinois, too, I''ll have to keep an eye out (or not) for men in daisy dukes. He doesn''t live in Highland Park, does he?

 

[somethingshiny]

LOL! No, we're in a rural area. But, if you ask a local who TL is, they'll tell you it's the guy in the shorts. My DH is completely distraught when he sees my dad. He says there are just somethings you can't UNsee. I've learned to always stare at my feet or over his head.

eta~ I believe there was a breastfeeding question. Breastfeeding is obviously non-sexual. I don't have a problem with a woman breastfeeding publicly but I wouldn't do it. The only time I guffawed over breastfeeding was when I was at the mall and a lady was sitting in the play area with her bare breast completely exposed while she was changing a diaper.

 

[phoenixgirl]

I do think that bodies are to be shared only with your SO, but not in the visual sense. I don''t dress provocatively or skimpily, but I also can''t guess what might make me or DH attractive to other people and can''t worry about that. What does that matter to me? I might be fulfilling some guy''s (or girl''s) Little House on the Prairie fantasy by covering up, for all I know . . .

 

[Haven]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
I''d like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don''t really require it, so if it isn''t closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you''re sharing an intimate experience? Because they''re sharing their body with you?

I wouldn''t say I''m pro-nudity, I''m more ambivalent towards nudity in the movies.

That being said, brief nudity just doesn''t bother me when I see it in movies. It''s hard to say why something doesn''t bother me, I guess it''s that I''m desensitized to it because I''ve just seen so much of it.

I''ve seen a lot of live theatre with nude scenes, those sometimes bother me a bit. Probably because it''s live and right in front of me.

 

[Haven]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:34:55 PM
Author: somethingshiny
LOL! No, we''re in a rural area. But, if you ask a local who TL is, they''ll tell you it''s the guy in the shorts. My DH is completely distraught when he sees my dad. He says there are just somethings you can''t UNsee. I''ve learned to always stare at my feet or over his head.

Oh my gosh, I *so* want to write a short story featuring your father. Seriously!

 

[iheartscience]

I also wouldn''t say I especially like to watch nudity, although I certainly don''t mind seeing good-looking naked people ever! If a nude scene makes sense for the story, I don''t mind it. If it''s gratuitous, I usually roll my eyes, and depending on how gratuitous it is, I''ll go on a feminist rant. But it still doesn''t make me uncomfortable.

It''s part of the movie, just like all the other scenes. Why not watch? Should I close my eyes, cover my ears and say "LA LA LA LA LA" until the nude scene is over? Also, I never think I''m sharing any kind of experience with actors in a movie. I''m watching a movie they made to entertain an audience, not sharing in an experience with them. That''s just silly.

 

[somethingshiny]

Haven~ I''ve written a couple short stories featuring him. He is such a character, you don''t need to add anything to make him interesting.

And, I''ll just add one more thing for your visualization. My dad is about 5''10" and 230lbs. One of his favorite songs is "Big John" and he loves to perform it on karaoke night.

 

[somethingshiny]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:41:14 PM
Author: thing2of2
I also wouldn''t say I especially like to watch nudity, although I certainly don''t mind seeing good-looking naked people ever! If a nude scene makes sense for the story, I don''t mind it. If it''s gratuitous, I usually roll my eyes, and depending on how gratuitous it is, I''ll go on a feminist rant. But it still doesn''t make me uncomfortable.


It''s part of the movie, just like all the other scenes. Why not watch? Should I close my eyes, cover my ears and say ''LA LA LA LA LA'' until the nude scene is over? Also, I never think I''m sharing any kind of experience with actors in a movie. I''m watching a movie they made to entertain an audience, not sharing in an experience with them. That''s just silly.

I agree. I took that bolded part from a question asked of me. I was being facetious.

I don''t say "lalalala" I just don''t watch the movie to begin with. I''m a label reader in more than the grocery store.

 

[Hera]

I don''t care for violence but I don''t have a strict, no watch, as this is just part of mainstream movies much like movies. If it becomes excessive (Kill Bill)I won''t watch it, but the difference is when it takes the extra step into a strict no watch policy, I think the meaning changes.

In the case of nudity, I totally understand not caring for it etc. I just have to wonder what the relationship is between sharing nudity between those in a relationship and watching movies.

It''s hard to believe that there are very many men out there that have such a problem with seeing a naked woman''s body that they won''t watch a movie with nudity in it(now seeing a man''s body for them could possibly not be a hit). Men are very visual creatures. I know my husband doesn''t mind it, and I swear I see I see his pupils dilate when he sees a beautiful, nude woman on the screen at the movies. I don''t think he''s having an intimate experience with her, rather that he''s enjoying it, like a fine piece of art.