Am I the only one here...

[Haven]

Somethingshiny, I am laughing so hard over here! Oh my gosh, every new bit of information just makes the picture even more complete.

I really can''t focus on anything else, I''m just sitting here laughing to myself. The shorts, karaoke night, the sleeveless shirt, oh man.

 

[Hera]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:44:03 PM
Author: somethingshiny

Date: 10/6/2009 8:41:14 PM

Author: thing2of2

I also wouldn't say I especially like to watch nudity, although I certainly don't mind seeing good-looking naked people ever! If a nude scene makes sense for the story, I don't mind it. If it's gratuitous, I usually roll my eyes, and depending on how gratuitous it is, I'll go on a feminist rant. But it still doesn't make me uncomfortable.



It's part of the movie, just like all the other scenes. Why not watch? Should I close my eyes, cover my ears and say 'LA LA LA LA LA' until the nude scene is over? Also, I never think I'm sharing any kind of experience with actors in a movie. I'm watching a movie they made to entertain an audience, not sharing in an experience with them. That's just silly.

I agree. I took that bolded part from a question asked of me. I was being facetious.


I don't say 'lalalala' I just don't watch the movie to begin with. I'm a label reader in more than the grocery store.

The question was asked towards toopatient, whose rationale I'm trying to understand.

 

[somethingshiny]

hera~ I agree, there probably aren't very men out there who don't like to see a woman naked. I just asked DH why he doesn't like it and he said that the only body he should be seeing is mine. He reiterated my thoughts on it being someone's daughter. And, Her goods aren't his business. I don't understand your "I just have to wonder" statement. Can you rephrase or expand??


Haven~ There could be a whole thread about my nutty family. And, speaking of the book thing, there has been a published book that has my dad's character in it. My brother and I went to high school with a guy who writes. He wrote a book a few years ago and my dad and my brother made it into the book. But, ohh, if you could see my dad sitting on the couch in his shorts with no shirt on, exposing his 13" scar on his belly and scratching his bald head while whittling on his dentures with a dremmel; well then my friend, you would REALLY know what life's about.

eta~ sorry, hera. I thought you were directing the question at the couple of us who share similar views. I do think it's silly to think that we are viewing it as an intimate experience. I'm envisioning dialoguing with the television.

 

[purrfectpear]

If I had SS''s dad, I think I''d be all weirded out over bodily exposure too

Every time I saw a pair of shorts my mind would expect the worst

Your dad must be the talk of the neighborhood

 

[brightlight]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
First off, my father the freak lives in IL and his nad showing shorts are his traditional summer attire, complete with sleeveless unbuttoned shirt. Since fall is here, he has started wearing more clothes but we''ll see those Daisies again next year. So, where you live doesn''t seem to be a factor in these outfits.

Why don''t I like nudity in movies?

First and foremost, I feel uncomfortable seeing it. DH feels uncomfortable seeing it. If you feel uncomfortable watching a horror movie or a true-crime movie, you don''t watch it. Why would I be any different? Why does it make me uncomfortable? Because I know that is somebody''s wife/mother/daughter/sister. I can''t unthink those thoughts and it disturbs me. I would be horrified if my little sis decided to bare it all publicly. If I wouldn''t watch it in real life (peeping tom), why would I look at it in a movie?

''Nudity is a normal part of life.''

Yes. So is violence (unfortunately). Some people can''t watch violence, it wouldn''t even cross my mind to ask them why. Obviously it''s uncomfortable and doesn''t bring happy emotions.


I''d like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don''t really require it, so if it isn''t closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you''re sharing an intimate experience? Because they''re sharing their body with you?

LOL! Reading about your dad immediately made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn572zrAgHM&feature=PlayList&p=572B6B6318B7BEBA&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34

 

[princesss]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
First off, my father the freak lives in IL and his nad showing shorts are his traditional summer attire, complete with sleeveless unbuttoned shirt. Since fall is here, he has started wearing more clothes but we''ll see those Daisies again next year. So, where you live doesn''t seem to be a factor in these outfits.


Why don''t I like nudity in movies?


First and foremost, I feel uncomfortable seeing it. DH feels uncomfortable seeing it. If you feel uncomfortable watching a horror movie or a true-crime movie, you don''t watch it. Why would I be any different? Why does it make me uncomfortable? Because I know that is somebody''s wife/mother/daughter/sister. I can''t unthink those thoughts and it disturbs me. I would be horrified if my little sis decided to bare it all publicly. If I wouldn''t watch it in real life (peeping tom), why would I look at it in a movie?


''Nudity is a normal part of life.''


Yes. So is violence (unfortunately). Some people can''t watch violence, it wouldn''t even cross my mind to ask them why. Obviously it''s uncomfortable and doesn''t bring happy emotions.



I''d like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don''t really require it, so if it isn''t closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you''re sharing an intimate experience? Because they''re sharing their body with you?

It''s not that I like to watch it, I just accept it. That''s how the director chose to portray the scene, okay, cool. You could have a whole movie done in the nude and I''d see it if I got good reviews from people I trust. I don''t seek it out, but if it''s on, I accept it.

For me, there is a difference between nudity and violence, because one is a natural part of life (like I said, we''re all born naked) and the other doesn''t have to be, KWIM? (By the way, I''m not trying to start a debate or anything, I just want to give my reasoning on how they''re different.)

I actually thought of this thread tonight. I went to Ultimate and got my new jersey and without giving it a second thought, I took my shirt off and switched it while talking to my friend''s fiance who was giving my BF his jersey. Thing is right, you really can''t be shy about your body while playing sports. I''ll hang around in just a sports bra, or tuck my jersey into my bra on hot days and be quite comfortable, and sometimes when I''m stretching my shorts ride up (though I do usually try to cover that with my arms if possible).

 

[T L]

To me, looking at a nude person is like looking at a tree. You see one, you''ve seen them all. Honestly, when there''s nude scenes in film, unless the people are overly revolting looking (for example, I don''t want to see David Letterman naked), I don''t really pay much attention. As for my husband, I feel it''s unrealistic to expect him to look at only me in the buff, as I feel it''s male nature to look at attractive naked or scantily clad women (as long as they don''t touch). I know I sound sexist toward men, but that''s been my experience with 99% of the men I know and grew up with. That doesn''t make them louses, it''s just human nature.

As for morality, that''s a different story, and I consider myself to be a very moral person. I''ve been married for 15 years, and have been faithful, and I don''t walk around with my fanny sticking out, and I warch G-rated movies most of the time (ya know, kids).

 

[AdiS]

Date: 10/6/2009 3:48:31 PM
Author:TooPatient
I've seen a couple of threads recently that have left me wondering something.

I know there are different lifestyle choices people make. I don't care. That is their business. Whatever makes them happy. I don't ask about their private lives and as long as they don't try to force their choice on me I don't have any problems with whatever they do.


Am I the only one left (on this planet) who thinks that bodies are a special thing only to be shared with your SO? I cover my body and expect B to do the same. We don't go to places with overly revealing clothing (luckily we both hate the beach anyway). Strict no nudiy rule when it comes to movies.

I think this is an area that should be shared and special between just the two.


Is this an outdated way of life?

If it's right for you, why care if it's outdated?

Personally, I'm a businesslady but I've also always been an artist. I started painting/sketching/drawing before I started walking. As such, I find beauty in all of nature's creations - trees, sea, the sky and clouds, and I believe human body is the greatest miracle of all. I don't associate it with sex either. To me, there's nothing sexual in admiring the beautiful curve of the collarbone, the way the shoulder muscles move under the skin and the elegance of the spot where an ankle meets the leg. I think of ways to put all of that on paper. Sometimes I see a woman on the street with a top that reveals her graceful back and I feel the most powerful urge to stop her and sketch it in my notebook. I don't succumb to it, luckily, or I'd be spending a lot of time explaining myself to the cops. lol

I guess it depends on the perception. When I see my DH naked, I think of sex. When I see other men and women, on the beach, in a movie scene, etc. (and I like what I see), I see something waiting to be drawn.

Of course, people parading with their nudity, walking around half-naked in stores or on the street, little girls dressing like hookers, that's not beautiful, that's sad. But nudity is the most natural thing in the world. It should neither be condemned, nor encouraged.

For the record, I'm not too fond of adult movies and I don't wear almost non-existent skirts and tops, but I don't cover myself from chin to toe with clothes either.

 

[Pandora II]

I definitely dress in a fairly conservative manner - certainly not one for displaying cleavage or my knickers in public.

However...

- I will go topless on the beach
- I have worked as a life model at Art College
- I have modelled for a series of extremely tasteful photographs - my face isn''t in any of them, it''s just the female form amongst rocks. They''re black & white and very artistic. I''m sure that I will be very glad when I''m 80 to have pictures of myself at 18!
- I breastfeed my daughter in public on a daily basis

Nudity for me is all about context. When I was modelling for life classes the one thing I could not do was to undress in front of people. The nude body is not erotic, but the act of removing clothes can easily be. I''ve found that a lot of other life models feel exactly the same way. I was at Art College myself and have spent countless hours drawing both men and women in the altogether. There is nothing sexual in any way about doing so - you are concentrating far more on how knees work and getting proportions right.

In the same way, I will happily go topless on a beach, but won''t wear a skimpy top to dinner the same night.

Breastfeeding is what boobs were designed for and anyone who finds it sexual is frankly a bit of a pervert IMO. I am discreet and don''t flop them out there, but I can''t think of anywhere that it is inappropriate to feed a small baby. I have fed her from the benches of a Council meeting, 50 metres underground in a cave, restaurants, supermarkets, churches during weddings, walking down the street etc. I doubt if most people even know I''m feeding her, most probably assume that she is just asleep.

As far as nudity on TV - doesn''t bother me at all.

I am troubled by scenes of torture in films that just seem excessive and unpleasant viewing material, and I am very troubled by the way that healthy relationships are almost never portrayed. Instead our children are subjected to an endless stream of watching people deal with infidelity, physical and pschological abuse, violence, rape etc to the point that they are ''normalised''. Add to that anything that shows that a woman, if she only loves him enough, can make the poor damaged man confront his demons and fall in love with her...

I''m sure it makes for better drama and yes I know that for some people this is their reality, but I don''t think it''s necessarily a good thing to show to the extent it is.

Compared with all that, the odd bum or boob is pretty harmless!

 

[Porridge]

I dress pretty conservatively, I don't wear short skirts or show cleavage in daily life. I'll happily wear a bikini on the beach (however I personally don't like going topless, but have no problem with others doing it). I have no problem with nudity on tv when part of a storyline, although watching people having sex for too long is definitely uncomfortable! But a little bit, like in musey's example, I have no problem with whatsoever.

I do think there is too much nudity on tv, mainly on the music channels! Why do they gotta be so nekkid all the time?!?

Also, seeing young girls walking around half naked does make me sad, because they are usually attracting the wrong type of person, and have just not realised yet that they don't need to do that to be sexy.

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny

'Nudity is a normal part of life.'


Yes. So is violence (unfortunately). Some people can't watch violence, it wouldn't even cross my mind to ask them why. Obviously it's uncomfortable and doesn't bring happy emotions.

This is where we differ hugely. I really don't understand the connection between nudity and violence, I don't understand why they are even in the same camp. Violence is hurt, pain, all the bad things. Why in the world would you equate something like this with nudity? Nudity is just bodies, bodies are everywhere, they're not hurting anyone. I also wouldn't say violence is a "normal" part of life. I don't think it's normal at all, at least not where I'm from, thankfully. It's just common on tv. Nudity on the other hand is normal, between a loving couple, in areas like beaches where it's acceptable, in locker rooms and showers and swimming pools etc...
I just think others, like me, don't equate nudity to "being uncomfortable and not bringing happy emotions". So a little bit every now and then doesn't bother us. We all have our different levels of comfort.

 

[TooPatient]

Answering a few questions here:

Yes, we have a much different TV/movie watching set-up than most. It is 110" screen in a dedicated theater room. We sit close enough so it takes up most of your field of vision. High Def picture & HD media (HD-tv/HD-DVD/BluRay). You can stand right next to the screen and if you look close just see a little bit of the pixel structure. Back on the couch is a very clear image.
(We never go to movies. It is a huge let down. The only thing "better" is IMAX and even that is only "better" because of the bigger screen)

We also skip stuff with crawly bugs coming out of peoples bodies and B has been known to skip a chapter because it is just way to graphic & bloody. It is just too "real" on the screen we have. (I''d be more than happy to turn on Apocolypto for anyone who has any doubts)

As to it being or not being a shared experience, SomethingShiny put it into great words.

I have nothing agains breastfeeding in public. DONE RIGHT. If it is discreet then there really isn''t anything being shown anyway.
The only time I have an issue with this is those who leave the breast hanging out while the do stuff and then feed the kid and leave it out. Or those who expose the other one too. (last time I checked, a baby can only use one at a time)


A good part of why we don''t watch that kind of thing is stated in many of the posts here.
"a body is just a body"
"I''m desensitized to nudity"

I don''t want to get there. I don''t want B to get there. Keeping other nude bodies out helps ensure that we will always be thrilled with the other person. Seeing his body is great. Having him see my body and be happy about it is great. I''d be devastated if he looked at my body as "just another body".

Notice I never said B doesn''t like to look at other women naked. He really doesn''t care. He would be fine watching movies with nudity if it was in context. The problem, as stated by many others here, is that much (and I''d say most) of the nudity in stuff is not important to the story. The point the writers/directors are trying to make could just as easily been done with the bodies covered. Or the scene left out entirely.


SomethingShiny -- Your husband sounds great. I like his take on it. Your body is for him. And his is for you.

 

[ckrickett]

I think we all have certain freedoms and liberties with our bodies and when you are in a relationship your partner shares said liberties.
Now if both people have certain ideals about remaining with only each other or adventuring outside I think that is between the two of them and if they are ok and happy with that who are we to judge. That doesn't make them immoral they just have different sexual liberties, It's not immoral to experiment as long as both parties are 150% ok and happy and on the same terms.

also along the lines of nudity once again a persons choice.
I think having your state of mind about no nudity and stuff like that is great, and isn't outdated, just with mainstream cable and how advertising is going nudity is getting more and more mainstream.

 

[princesss]

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM
Author: TooPatient

A good part of why we don''t watch that kind of thing is stated in many of the posts here.
''a body is just a body''
''I''m desensitized to nudity''

I don''t want to get there. I don''t want B to get there. Keeping other nude bodies out helps ensure that we will always be thrilled with the other person. Seeing his body is great. Having him see my body and be happy about it is great. I''d be devastated if he looked at my body as ''just another body''.

This is what I don''t understand. M and I have seen naked bodies before - in movies, in person, on TV - but it doesn''t make it any less special to see his. I don''t think nudity is a big deal, but it doesn''t mean that it makes it less special to see M''s body, or for him to see mine. We''re thrilled with each other. It''s not like we compare each other to the movies and other people we''ve seen. Part of embracing the human figure is that I take joy in the quirks and little things that make his body different from anybody else''s. It''s still just as special.

I''m not trying to start an argument, I just think you''re heading into dangerous waters by implying that it''s less special for those of us to see our partners just because we''re more accepting of nudity.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM
Author: elledizzy5
Man do I feel like a perv. We pause on the nudie parts.

ditto - I rewound several times and watched the junk in slow mo in sarah marshall lol

I have no problem with nudity - I love being naked. I don''t care who else is naked, it''s amusing to me if nothing else. I wouldn''t do like beach topless or other things, but I don''t think our bodies are sacred. I consider us animals who have chosen to use clothing to hide ourselves more than warm or adorn ourselves.

And yet I still manage to have a happy and monogamous marriage, happy children who don''t do drugs - I just have no problem pushing the envelope as needed.

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 10/7/2009 12:37:55 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM
Author: TooPatient

A good part of why we don''t watch that kind of thing is stated in many of the posts here.
''a body is just a body''
''I''m desensitized to nudity''

I don''t want to get there. I don''t want B to get there. Keeping other nude bodies out helps ensure that we will always be thrilled with the other person. Seeing his body is great. Having him see my body and be happy about it is great. I''d be devastated if he looked at my body as ''just another body''.

This is what I don''t understand. M and I have seen naked bodies before - in movies, in person, on TV - but it doesn''t make it any less special to see his. I don''t think nudity is a big deal, but it doesn''t mean that it makes it less special to see M''s body, or for him to see mine. We''re thrilled with each other. It''s not like we compare each other to the movies and other people we''ve seen. Part of embracing the human figure is that I take joy in the quirks and little things that make his body different from anybody else''s. It''s still just as special.

I''m not trying to start an argument, I just think you''re heading into dangerous waters by implying that it''s less special for those of us to see our partners just because we''re more accepting of nudity.

Ditto princesss.

FI tells me he loves my parts because they''re mine. My tummy is not washboard flat, my butt is kinda big, and I don''t look like the nakie chicks on TV. It''s those things that he LOVES about me... seeing me naked is special because it''s ME, not because he doesn''t look at anyone else.

In fact... the fact that he looks at playboy, and still gets turned on by the mere sight of me, well... that speaks volumes about how "special" my body is to him.

To each his own - just my perspective!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:19:38 PM
Author: elledizzy5

Date: 10/6/2009 4:18:48 PM

Author: Bia

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM

Author: elledizzy5

Man do I feel like a perv. We pause on the nudie parts.

lol!


I must be too because I really don''t have a problem with it. In fact, I often look at men''s magazines like Maxim...it give me motivation to get my butt in gear. That and I appreciate a beautiful body...man or woman.

FI got me a Playboy subscription for Christmas/Hanukkah 3 years ago.


What?? I read the articles.

I got my husband one a few years ago... I think I looked at it more than he did lol Mostly I liked the jokes though

 

[Lauren8211]

Date: 10/7/2009 12:44:07 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 10/6/2009 4:19:38 PM
Author: elledizzy5

Date: 10/6/2009 4:18:48 PM

Author: Bia

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM

Author: elledizzy5

Man do I feel like a perv. We pause on the nudie parts.

lol!


I must be too because I really don''t have a problem with it. In fact, I often look at men''s magazines like Maxim...it give me motivation to get my butt in gear. That and I appreciate a beautiful body...man or woman.

FI got me a Playboy subscription for Christmas/Hanukkah 3 years ago.


What?? I read the articles.

I got my husband one a few years ago... I think I looked at it more than he did lol Mostly I liked the jokes though

The Playboy Advisor is my favorite. I flip to that first... then the centerfold.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:39:05 PM
Author: TooPatient

Date: 10/6/2009 4:29:37 PM

Author: somethingshiny

Date: 10/6/2009 4:20:44 PM

Author: TooPatient

Date: 10/6/2009 4:13:31 PM


Author: somethingshiny



Great to hear there is someone else out there. Do your friends respect your choice or do they insist on watching movies with nudity when you are around?

My friends do respect my choices, but I also get a lot of haranguing about it. One of my friends greatly enjoys reading Playboy with her DH and thinks it would be fun for us too.

Another friend shouts ''nudity'' in a chant before they watch a hot movie. For the most part, my friends don''t ''get it'' but they respect it.



I will add something though. People seem to associate the acceptance of nudity to mean that you have great sex and vice-versa. It''s not true. I think because we only show our bodies to each other and we don''t see other bodies, it''s hotter. There''s nothing to compare the other to. They are perfection! We have lots of fun accessories too and my ''toy'' parties are always a good time. The refusal to see nudity doesn''t mean it''s a refusal to be fun and outgoing and experimental.

They just don''t know what they are missing. Their loss.


We certainly have plenty of great times together. (usually once a day -- sometimes more)


I didn''t say we covered up at home....

And my underwear are totally different than my conservative outerwear. But only B gets to see that.

That ''don''t know what they are missing'' comment can go both ways - it is absolutely impossible to have EVERY experience - that is why there are so many of us to try them all!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 10/6/2009 6:49:47 PM
Author: somethingshiny
I absolutely associate nudity with sex. It''s odd to me that so many don''t. Yes, I can admire the human form in a tasteful manner. Meaning, not watching someone get it on in a movie, but admiring David instead. Walking around with your bum hanging out is WANTING the SEXUAL attention.


I have no problem with a bikini on a beach because that''s what''s appropriate, I just wouldn''t wear one myself.


And, HAVEN, yes, men do walk around shirtless around here. My dad is a leading culprit. He also wears shorts that don''t quite cover the nads on a hot day.

okay that last thing? that is over my line - even if it was my husband and even in our bedroom - the dangling nads is horrific visual lol

 

[FrekeChild]

I am perfectly happy showing off my boobs to anyone (MINUS DANCINGFIRE) who cares to see.

I hit puberty at 11.
At 14 I was a DD.
At 19 my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy.
At 20 I was a GG.
At 21 I had a breast reduction.
At 24 I sketched and drew two nude models.
At 25 I hung the female up in my living room.

When my boobs got so big that people were asking if I had breast implants, I ceased caring. At 15, trying to pick out a homecoming dress that fit my body and didn''t reveal too much in the way of cleavage, all I wanted a normal sized chest. When your favorite joke becomes "I have cleavage in a turtleneck", you come to realize that it''s just a body part. I don''t know how many people have seen me in only my underwear on that operating table. I don''t particularly care. At 20, disrobing for a plastic surgeon to measure and evaluate my breasts for downsizing them and easing the pain on my body...body parts.

My body isn''t perfect. Now it''s covered in hard won and expensive scars. But my body is amazing. It can do all of these wonderful things I never dreamed as a kid, of it being able to do. I don''t take the best care of it, and I probably should try harder. But it is my body. I will clothe it how I want. I will do with it what I want. I will display it to who I want (in particular, women who are considering breast reductions). I will fall down stairs and end up at the bottom with my top around my waist in front of my male best friend. I will freely disrobe for my oldest friend in the world who is an artist, so she can depict it in any way she wants.

It is my body. It is what I make it. Sometimes it''s sexual, and sometimes it''s not, but I will do with it what I want, and I''m not going to justify it to anyone.

 

[Smurfysmiles]

Date: 10/7/2009 4:53:56 AM
Author: Pandora II
Breastfeeding is what boobs were designed for and anyone who finds it sexual is frankly a bit of a pervert IMO. I am discreet and don''t flop them out there, but I can''t think of anywhere that it is inappropriate to feed a small baby. I have fed her from the benches of a Council meeting, 50 metres underground in a cave, restaurants, supermarkets, churches during weddings, walking down the street etc. I doubt if most people even know I''m feeding her, most probably assume that she is just asleep.

I''m just curious if anyone noticed you feeding your daughter during a wedding...I mean..I''m not saying it''s wrong but if someone noticed wouldn''t it distract from the ceremony??

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM
Author: TooPatient

Notice I never said B doesn''t like to look at other women naked. He really doesn''t care. He would be fine watching movies with nudity if it was in context. The problem, as stated by many others here, is that much (and I''d say most) of the nudity in stuff is not important to the story. The point the writers/directors are trying to make could just as easily been done with the bodies covered. Or the scene left out entirely.

See, this sounds like you''re just insecure with your body and you don''t want "B" to look at other women''s bodies because of it. If "B" doesn''t have a problem with nude scenes, I guess that means you''re really the one who has a problem with it.

And I fail to see the difference in watching a nude scene on a big screen or a small one. While your TV sound super impressive, why does the size of the naked person you''re seeing matter? I''m also not getting how the relevance a nude scene has to the movie makes a difference in your conservative morals. Again, if it''s the actual nudity that''s the problem, then why does the necessity of the scene make a difference?

Do you really think seeing another naked person here or there would have that much of an impact on your insane, once or twice daily sex life? Phew...I don''t know how "B" keeps up with you! I don''t even have a chronic illness like him, but sex once or twice a day, EVERY DAY, would wear me out! Guess it''s a good thing I get my fix watching so many nude scenes!

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:32:27 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I am perfectly happy showing off my boobs to anyone (MINUS DANCINGFIRE) who cares to see.

I hit puberty at 11.
At 14 I was a DD.
At 19 my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy.
At 20 I was a GG.
At 21 I had a breast reduction.
At 24 I sketched and drew two nude models.
At 25 I hung the female up in my living room.

When my boobs got so big that people were asking if I had breast implants, I ceased caring. At 15, trying to pick out a homecoming dress that fit my body and didn''t reveal too much in the way of cleavage, all I wanted a normal sized chest. When your favorite joke becomes ''I have cleavage in a turtleneck'', you come to realize that it''s just a body part. I don''t know how many people have seen me in only my underwear on that operating table. I don''t particularly care. At 20, disrobing for a plastic surgeon to measure and evaluate my breasts for downsizing them and easing the pain on my body...body parts.

My body isn''t perfect. Now it''s covered in hard won and expensive scars. But my body is amazing. It can do all of these wonderful things I never dreamed as a kid, of it being able to do. I don''t take the best care of it, and I probably should try harder. But it is my body. I will clothe it how I want. I will do with it what I want. I will display it to who I want (in particular, women who are considering breast reductions). I will fall down stairs and end up at the bottom with my top around my waist in front of my male best friend. I will freely disrobe for my oldest friend in the world who is an artist, so she can depict it in any way she wants.

It is my body. It is what I make it. Sometimes it''s sexual, and sometimes it''s not, but I will do with it what I want, and I''m not going to justify it to anyone.

Each person is comfortable with different levels of skin. Either their own or others.

I think it is important for people to do what is comfortable for THEM. If you want to be sketched or go to a topless beach or have a clothing optional party for Thanksgiving, that is your choice and you should be able to do so.

(By the way, showing your body to other women considering surgery is a wonderful thing. I''m sure it is a great help for women trying to make the decision to do surgery or not.)

Same thing with movies, tvs, beaches, whatever. I don''t mind that they make the movies. I don''t mind that there are nude/topless beaches. Some people like that. They should have the option.

I like my choice of not participating in these things. B is happy with his choice too.


The only problem I have with any of these things being available is when they (movies/magazines/etc.) are displayed everywhere and forced on me. I just roll my eyes and move on. Even then I think they should be available for those who are interested in them.
This would really bother me if I had kids though. I''d like to raise them with modesty. I''d like to be able to explain things to them when they are ready for it. Not when they are 5 years old and ask how come a woman in the park just took her shirt off.


I don''t think one way of life or another is "better". I know what is the best choice for me. I know that people who choose other things do so because that is the best choice for them.

 

[lucyandroger]

I find that I only have a problem with nudity when I am feeling insecure about my own body. I know my SO loves my body and him seeing a nude scene in a movie is not going to make mine any less special to him.

Anyway, there are other things that are sexy besides the "private" parts. I think my SO''s eyes and lips are extremely sexy. I see LOTS of eyes and lips throughout the day (obviously) and it doesn''t make his any less special and clearly, I don''t want to have sex with every person with nice eyes I see.

When I am feeling insecure though, it sometimes bugs me when there''s extended nudity in a movie or on tv because I get this irrational feeling that my body is being compared to that woman''s. That''s not at all what is going on but it comes from my own insecurities and I know that.

TooPatient, I have to wonder if maybe you''re dealing with some insecurities with how your body looks?

 

[princesss]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:42:21 PM
Author: Smurfyimproved

Date: 10/7/2009 4:53:56 AM
Author: Pandora II
Breastfeeding is what boobs were designed for and anyone who finds it sexual is frankly a bit of a pervert IMO. I am discreet and don''t flop them out there, but I can''t think of anywhere that it is inappropriate to feed a small baby. I have fed her from the benches of a Council meeting, 50 metres underground in a cave, restaurants, supermarkets, churches during weddings, walking down the street etc. I doubt if most people even know I''m feeding her, most probably assume that she is just asleep.

I''m just curious if anyone noticed you feeding your daughter during a wedding...I mean..I''m not saying it''s wrong but if someone noticed wouldn''t it distract from the ceremony??

I think you''re giving people''s guests too little credit. Besides, when was the last time anybody but the bride and groom were 100% focused on what was being said? I know my mind wanders during weddings, no matter how nice they are. The only time I pay full attention is during the vows, and I''m sure many other people are the same way.

 

[Smurfysmiles]

lol touche i guess i didn't think of that, i've left plenty of weddings with little doodles on the programs from the tiny pencils in the pews

 

[princesss]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:54:26 PM
Author: TooPatient

Date: 10/7/2009 1:32:27 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I am perfectly happy showing off my boobs to anyone (MINUS DANCINGFIRE) who cares to see.

I hit puberty at 11.
At 14 I was a DD.
At 19 my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy.
At 20 I was a GG.
At 21 I had a breast reduction.
At 24 I sketched and drew two nude models.
At 25 I hung the female up in my living room.

When my boobs got so big that people were asking if I had breast implants, I ceased caring. At 15, trying to pick out a homecoming dress that fit my body and didn''t reveal too much in the way of cleavage, all I wanted a normal sized chest. When your favorite joke becomes ''I have cleavage in a turtleneck'', you come to realize that it''s just a body part. I don''t know how many people have seen me in only my underwear on that operating table. I don''t particularly care. At 20, disrobing for a plastic surgeon to measure and evaluate my breasts for downsizing them and easing the pain on my body...body parts.

My body isn''t perfect. Now it''s covered in hard won and expensive scars. But my body is amazing. It can do all of these wonderful things I never dreamed as a kid, of it being able to do. I don''t take the best care of it, and I probably should try harder. But it is my body. I will clothe it how I want. I will do with it what I want. I will display it to who I want (in particular, women who are considering breast reductions). I will fall down stairs and end up at the bottom with my top around my waist in front of my male best friend. I will freely disrobe for my oldest friend in the world who is an artist, so she can depict it in any way she wants.

It is my body. It is what I make it. Sometimes it''s sexual, and sometimes it''s not, but I will do with it what I want, and I''m not going to justify it to anyone.

Each person is comfortable with different levels of skin. Either their own or others.

I think it is important for people to do what is comfortable for THEM. If you want to be sketched or go to a topless beach or have a clothing optional party for Thanksgiving, that is your choice and you should be able to do so.

(By the way, showing your body to other women considering surgery is a wonderful thing. I''m sure it is a great help for women trying to make the decision to do surgery or not.)

Same thing with movies, tvs, beaches, whatever. I don''t mind that they make the movies. I don''t mind that there are nude/topless beaches. Some people like that. They should have the option.

I like my choice of not participating in these things. B is happy with his choice too.


The only problem I have with any of these things being available is when they (movies/magazines/etc.) are displayed everywhere and forced on me. I just roll my eyes and move on. Even then I think they should be available for those who are interested in them.
This would really bother me if I had kids though. I''d like to raise them with modesty. I''d like to be able to explain things to them when they are ready for it. Not when they are 5 years old and ask how come a woman in the park just took her shirt off.


I don''t think one way of life or another is ''better''. I know what is the best choice for me. I know that people who choose other things do so because that is the best choice for them.

I''m glad you''re happy with your choices. You are perfectly entitled to them, and I think it''s great that you''ve set your own limits and stick to them.

Funny story about raising your kids modestly, though. My parents raised me to be modest (I rarely wear shorts or short skirts, and wasn''t allowed to wear spaghetti straps or halters until I was 17 - I didn''t show my shoulders in public (as a preteen/teenager - as a kid is a different story) until I was 15 or 16, and even then I couldn''t pair it with shorts without feeling horribly exposed and kinda skanky), and here I am.

 

[princesss]

Date: 10/7/2009 2:02:41 PM
Author: Smurfyimproved
lol touche i guess i didn''t think of that, i''ve left plenty of weddings with little doodles on the programs from the tiny pencils in the pews

Hahaha, and after the bride put so much work into those programs, too! (I steal M''s to doodle on.)

 

[Smurfysmiles]

Date: 10/7/2009 2:06:59 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 10/7/2009 2:02:41 PM

Author: Smurfyimproved

lol touche i guess i didn''t think of that, i''ve left plenty of weddings with little doodles on the programs from the tiny pencils in the pews

Hahaha, and after the bride put so much work into those programs, too! (I steal M''s to doodle on.)

lol i think the one im recalling was one of the church just mass produced for them i would have felt bad otherwise! haha but in all honesty if people want to doodle on our programs i wont be bothered at all it might be fun to see what they were thinking about during the ceremony haha

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:50:36 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM
Author: TooPatient

Notice I never said B doesn''t like to look at other women naked. He really doesn''t care. He would be fine watching movies with nudity if it was in context. The problem, as stated by many others here, is that much (and I''d say most) of the nudity in stuff is not important to the story. The point the writers/directors are trying to make could just as easily been done with the bodies covered. Or the scene left out entirely.

See, this sounds like you''re just insecure with your body and you don''t want ''B'' to look at other women''s bodies because of it. If ''B'' doesn''t have a problem with nude scenes, I guess that means you''re really the one who has a problem with it.

And I fail to see the difference in watching a nude scene on a big screen or a small one. While your TV sound super impressive, why does the size of the naked person you''re seeing matter? I''m also not getting how the relevance a nude scene has to the movie makes a difference in your conservative morals. Again, if it''s the actual nudity that''s the problem, then why does the necessity of the scene make a difference?

Do you really think seeing another naked person here or there would have that much of an impact on your insane, once or twice daily sex life? Phew...I don''t know how ''B'' keeps up with you! I don''t even have a chronic illness like him, but sex once or twice a day, EVERY DAY, would wear me out! Guess it''s a good thing I get my fix watching so many nude scenes!

B doesn''t care about nudity in a scene IF it is important to the story. Otherwise he doesn''t care for it. (before the strict no nudity policy, he would skip chapters to cut out the excess nudity)

I do not think any nudity is acceptable in movies. (with a very limited exception)

Out of respect for my feelings, we skip all nudity.


Sorry I didn''t answer question earlier:
How can I live with a man I''m not married to if I am so conservative?
I was a little less conservative when B moved in with me. (I had an extra room and a friend needed a place to stay for a couple of weeks) I''ve been studying much since then and both of us have been shifting to more conservative. I am working with a Rabbi to complete my conversion. We''ve been shifting more towards Orthodox over the last couple of years.
I do not like that I am unmarried and we are living together. It didn''t bother me before. By the time it did bother me, we''d been living together for several years.
Finances wouldn''t support paying for 2 separate places to live (the house takes everything we both make).



(It''s me who has a hard time keeping up with him usually. Luckily it is great for his illness. Got to get the blood moving.)