Am I the only one here...

[Smurfysmiles]

Date: 10/7/2009 2:21:51 PM
Author: TooPatient

Date: 10/7/2009 1:50:36 PM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM

Author: TooPatient


Notice I never said B doesn''t like to look at other women naked. He really doesn''t care. He would be fine watching movies with nudity if it was in context. The problem, as stated by many others here, is that much (and I''d say most) of the nudity in stuff is not important to the story. The point the writers/directors are trying to make could just as easily been done with the bodies covered. Or the scene left out entirely.

See, this sounds like you''re just insecure with your body and you don''t want ''B'' to look at other women''s bodies because of it. If ''B'' doesn''t have a problem with nude scenes, I guess that means you''re really the one who has a problem with it.


And I fail to see the difference in watching a nude scene on a big screen or a small one. While your TV sound super impressive, why does the size of the naked person you''re seeing matter? I''m also not getting how the relevance a nude scene has to the movie makes a difference in your conservative morals. Again, if it''s the actual nudity that''s the problem, then why does the necessity of the scene make a difference?


Do you really think seeing another naked person here or there would have that much of an impact on your insane, once or twice daily sex life? Phew...I don''t know how ''B'' keeps up with you! I don''t even have a chronic illness like him, but sex once or twice a day, EVERY DAY, would wear me out! Guess it''s a good thing I get my fix watching so many nude scenes!

B doesn''t care about nudity in a scene IF it is important to the story. Otherwise he doesn''t care for it. (before the strict no nudity policy, he would skip chapters to cut out the excess nudity)


I do not think any nudity is acceptable in movies. (with a very limited exception)


Out of respect for my feelings, we skip all nudity.



Sorry I didn''t answer question earlier:

How can I live with a man I''m not married to if I am so conservative?

I was a little less conservative when B moved in with me. (I had an extra room and a friend needed a place to stay for a couple of weeks) I''ve been studying much since then and both of us have been shifting to more conservative. I am working with a Rabbi to complete my conversion. We''ve been shifting more towards Orthodox over the last couple of years.

I do not like that I am unmarried and we are living together. It didn''t bother me before. By the time it did bother me, we''d been living together for several years.

Finances wouldn''t support paying for 2 separate places to live (the house takes everything we both make).




(It''s me who has a hard time keeping up with him usually. Luckily it is great for his illness. Got to get the blood moving.)

sorry if this is too personal but...separate beds then? abstinence doesn''t seem like it is something you do if i have been reading correctly...

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/7/2009 2:29:17 PM
Author: Smurfyimproved

Date: 10/7/2009 2:21:51 PM
Author: TooPatient

Date: 10/7/2009 1:50:36 PM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 10/7/2009 12:22:44 PM

Author: TooPatient


Notice I never said B doesn''t like to look at other women naked. He really doesn''t care. He would be fine watching movies with nudity if it was in context. The problem, as stated by many others here, is that much (and I''d say most) of the nudity in stuff is not important to the story. The point the writers/directors are trying to make could just as easily been done with the bodies covered. Or the scene left out entirely.

See, this sounds like you''re just insecure with your body and you don''t want ''B'' to look at other women''s bodies because of it. If ''B'' doesn''t have a problem with nude scenes, I guess that means you''re really the one who has a problem with it.


And I fail to see the difference in watching a nude scene on a big screen or a small one. While your TV sound super impressive, why does the size of the naked person you''re seeing matter? I''m also not getting how the relevance a nude scene has to the movie makes a difference in your conservative morals. Again, if it''s the actual nudity that''s the problem, then why does the necessity of the scene make a difference?


Do you really think seeing another naked person here or there would have that much of an impact on your insane, once or twice daily sex life? Phew...I don''t know how ''B'' keeps up with you! I don''t even have a chronic illness like him, but sex once or twice a day, EVERY DAY, would wear me out! Guess it''s a good thing I get my fix watching so many nude scenes!

B doesn''t care about nudity in a scene IF it is important to the story. Otherwise he doesn''t care for it. (before the strict no nudity policy, he would skip chapters to cut out the excess nudity)


I do not think any nudity is acceptable in movies. (with a very limited exception)


Out of respect for my feelings, we skip all nudity.



Sorry I didn''t answer question earlier:

How can I live with a man I''m not married to if I am so conservative?

I was a little less conservative when B moved in with me. (I had an extra room and a friend needed a place to stay for a couple of weeks) I''ve been studying much since then and both of us have been shifting to more conservative. I am working with a Rabbi to complete my conversion. We''ve been shifting more towards Orthodox over the last couple of years.

I do not like that I am unmarried and we are living together. It didn''t bother me before. By the time it did bother me, we''d been living together for several years.

Finances wouldn''t support paying for 2 separate places to live (the house takes everything we both make).




(It''s me who has a hard time keeping up with him usually. Luckily it is great for his illness. Got to get the blood moving.)

sorry if this is too personal but...separate beds then? abstinence doesn''t seem like it is something you do if i have been reading correctly...

I''ve considered it. We don''t for now. It is an option if we decide to. There is a perfectly good guest room and never any overnight guests.

I think once I''ve finished my conversion I''ll set a timeline in my head. If B doesn''t propose by then we''ll shift to separate beds and start evaluating my options. He knows (and agrees) that just living together forever is not an option.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 10/6/2009 4:19:38 PM
Author: elledizzy5

Date: 10/6/2009 4:18:48 PM

Author: Bia

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM

Author: elledizzy5

Man do I feel like a perv. We pause on the nudie parts.

lol!


I must be too because I really don''t have a problem with it. In fact, I often look at men''s magazines like Maxim...it give me motivation to get my butt in gear. That and I appreciate a beautiful body...man or woman.

FI got me a Playboy subscription for Christmas/Hanukkah 3 years ago.


What?? I read the articles.

LOL I got MYSELF a subscription a few years ago! DH reads the articles

I''m totally OK with nudity. I have my own physical hang-ups that prevent me from wearing super short skirts or tight pants, but I''ve got a nice rack and I tend to wear clothes that complement it. I''m one of those people who dresses for me, not for everyone else. If I feel good in it, I''ll wear it. Who cares if it''s cut a little low.

That being said, I do think some people take both sides--modesty and lack there of--to an extreme.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 10/6/2009 6:49:47 PM
Author: somethingshiny
I absolutely associate nudity with sex. It''s odd to me that so many don''t. Yes, I can admire the human form in a tasteful manner. Meaning, not watching someone get it on in a movie, but admiring David instead. Walking around with your bum hanging out is WANTING the SEXUAL attention.


I have no problem with a bikini on a beach because that''s what''s appropriate, I just wouldn''t wear one myself.


And, HAVEN, yes, men do walk around shirtless around here. My dad is a leading culprit. He also wears shorts that don''t quite cover the nads on a hot day.

Please don''t take this the wrong way but I think you may have been scarred psychologically from this experience.

 

[Smurfysmiles]

Date: 10/7/2009 2:48:16 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk

Date: 10/6/2009 6:49:47 PM

Author: somethingshiny

I absolutely associate nudity with sex. It''s odd to me that so many don''t. Yes, I can admire the human form in a tasteful manner. Meaning, not watching someone get it on in a movie, but admiring David instead. Walking around with your bum hanging out is WANTING the SEXUAL attention.



I have no problem with a bikini on a beach because that''s what''s appropriate, I just wouldn''t wear one myself.



And, HAVEN, yes, men do walk around shirtless around here. My dad is a leading culprit. He also wears shorts that don''t quite cover the nads on a hot day.

Please don''t take this the wrong way but I think you may have been scarred psychologically from this experience.

omg totally missed that part! reminds me of that episode of friends with the guy who is always hanging out of his shorts lol *shudder*

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 10/6/2009 8:12:34 PM
Author: somethingshiny
First off, my father the freak lives in IL and his nad showing shorts are his traditional summer attire, complete with sleeveless unbuttoned shirt. Since fall is here, he has started wearing more clothes but we''ll see those Daisies again next year. So, where you live doesn''t seem to be a factor in these outfits.


Why don''t I like nudity in movies?


First and foremost, I feel uncomfortable seeing it. DH feels uncomfortable seeing it. If you feel uncomfortable watching a horror movie or a true-crime movie, you don''t watch it. Why would I be any different? Why does it make me uncomfortable? Because I know that is somebody''s wife/mother/daughter/sister. I can''t unthink those thoughts and it disturbs me. I would be horrified if my little sis decided to bare it all publicly. If I wouldn''t watch it in real life (peeping tom), why would I look at it in a movie?


''Nudity is a normal part of life.''


Yes. So is violence (unfortunately). Some people can''t watch violence, it wouldn''t even cross my mind to ask them why. Obviously it''s uncomfortable and doesn''t bring happy emotions.



I''d like to know from the pro-nudity camp; Why do you like to watch nudity? We all know that *most* movies don''t really require it, so if it isn''t closely related to the plot, Why watch? Is it because you feel you''re sharing an intimate experience? Because they''re sharing their body with you?

I don''t think it''s an issue of liking to watch nudity in movies/tv. I think it''s more like I''m not bothered by it. I''m ambivalent to it. For me (and DH), the only time it''s sexual per-say is if it''s an explicit video we''re watching for the benefit of furthering an intimate experience (does this make sense? I''m at work and trying to censor myself)

 

[monarch64]

I would just like to say that I appreciate full frontal male nudity in films. The Full Monty, Wild Things, and Sex and The City, for example. Wink, wink. I'm a perv! It's titillating, it's different, it's fun...but it wouldn't cause me to be any less attracted to my partner.

ETA: on second thought...Dante...le sigh.

 

[somethingshiny]

Monnie~ You crack me up!

Again, I don''t consider ALL nudity to be uncalled for, but definitely the majority of it. Obviously I wouldn''t be offended if I walked into an art studio and saw a nude model, I don''t freak if there are naked children running by, and I change my entire outfit including underwear in front of other women. I would never show another man even my bra, let alone my goods because to me that''s a sexual nature. I wouldn''t go topless to a beach because I consider my lovely breasts a very sexual part of ME.

I can completely admire a sexy man or woman completely clothed. Sexy is good. I rewound DWTS to watch Cheryl and Mario dance or that hot guy last season. I think watching a dancer is simply beautiful and sexy. But, the sexy is necessary for the dance as opposed to most film "sex scenes." I usually spot the butts when DH and I are in public and I tell him, "oh my gosh, look at her butt! It''s the most fantastic butt I''ve ever seen!" (obviously it has pants on...)


While growing up with 4 kids in the house, nudity was every day life. I''m still fine with someone walking in to use the potty while I''m in the shower as long as there''s a curtain. I wonder through my own house naked and my sis and I often swap the clothes right off our backs. I have no problem changing my pants in the car or adding/removing pantyhose. I will change my top in the car but only at night when other drivers can''t see me.

The line of demarcation to me is nudity with sexual intent. Maybe I consider "sexual intent" sooner than others. I''m a very sexual person and yes, that''s probably where my mind goes first when I see a good looking guy. SO, I have the "no nudity" rule for my own morals, but I think it''s also to keep me from behaving inappropriately. I know how I am. If I thought it was okay to show my boobs, there would be a very fine line to ogling them. And from there to further contact. It''s a protection of sorts.

HH~ I probably AM scarred, but he didn''t start dressing that way until after I had left his home. lol


We don''t watch movies that are R rated for nudity, and we will avert our eyes for PG 13 nudity. It does bother me that within the last several years, R rated nudity seems to require full frontal, I can''t believe some of the nudity in PG 13. I wouldn''t want my 13 yr old watching that much stuff.



And, because this is another question asked of me often, we don''t limit our own nudity within our home. Our son (3.5) wonders around naked and sees us naked regularly. We don''t make a big deal of it and he knows all the names for body parts. I would feel completely different about nudity if it was viewed more so like a child views it.



One last thought. I didn''t become so anti-nudity until the last few years as I''ve been learning more about myself and my faith. Prior to that, I really didn''t care.

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/7/2009 4:51:41 PM
Author: somethingshiny
Monnie~ You crack me up!

Again, I don''t consider ALL nudity to be uncalled for, but definitely the majority of it. Obviously I wouldn''t be offended if I walked into an art studio and saw a nude model, I don''t freak if there are naked children running by, and I change my entire outfit including underwear in front of other women. I would never show another man even my bra, let alone my goods because to me that''s a sexual nature. I wouldn''t go topless to a beach because I consider my lovely breasts a very sexual part of ME.

I can completely admire a sexy man or woman completely clothed. Sexy is good. I rewound DWTS to watch Cheryl and Mario dance or that hot guy last season. I think watching a dancer is simply beautiful and sexy. But, the sexy is necessary for the dance as opposed to most film ''sex scenes.'' I usually spot the butts when DH and I are in public and I tell him, ''oh my gosh, look at her butt! It''s the most fantastic butt I''ve ever seen!'' (obviously it has pants on...)


While growing up with 4 kids in the house, nudity was every day life. I''m still fine with someone walking in to use the potty while I''m in the shower as long as there''s a curtain. I wonder through my own house naked and my sis and I often swap the clothes right off our backs. I have no problem changing my pants in the car or adding/removing pantyhose. I will change my top in the car but only at night when other drivers can''t see me.

The line of demarcation to me is nudity with sexual intent. Maybe I consider ''sexual intent'' sooner than others. I''m a very sexual person and yes, that''s probably where my mind goes first when I see a good looking guy. SO, I have the ''no nudity'' rule for my own morals, but I think it''s also to keep me from behaving inappropriately. I know how I am. If I thought it was okay to show my boobs, there would be a very fine line to ogling them. And from there to further contact. It''s a protection of sorts.

HH~ I probably AM scarred, but he didn''t start dressing that way until after I had left his home. lol


We don''t watch movies that are R rated for nudity, and we will avert our eyes for PG 13 nudity. It does bother me that within the last several years, R rated nudity seems to require full frontal, I can''t believe some of the nudity in PG 13. I wouldn''t want my 13 yr old watching that much stuff.



And, because this is another question asked of me often, we don''t limit our own nudity within our home. Our son (3.5) wonders around naked and sees us naked regularly. We don''t make a big deal of it and he knows all the names for body parts. I would feel completely different about nudity if it was viewed more so like a child views it.



One last thought. I didn''t become so anti-nudity until the last few years as I''ve been learning more about myself and my faith. Prior to that, I really didn''t care.

You are great with words.

Do you mind my asking what your faith is? (please don''t answer if you aren''t comfortable, I''m just curious since that is what shifted my views too)

 

[Cehrabehra]

something shiny - I love your answer... what you wrote above - it''s perfectly described and I totally get it... I don''t feel the same but I still feel a sense of peace in the difference... have you seen the movie Away We Go? Avoid the first 5 minutes (there is no nudity - just a funny conversation in a covered yet compromising position) and check it out - I saw that and management (one scene there you might want to turn away) and those were the best movies I''ve seen in a long time...

 

[Cehrabehra]

Too Patient - you show incredible strength and growth and confidence in where you are going and I admire that.

I was raised in such a different way - parents were hippies, divorced when I was young, mom became a disco diva in san diego lol Sex was always something very free and open - not that they did anything in front of me, but it wasn''t a secret for either of my parents, before or after the divorce. I was curious about it from a very early age and even looked at pictures of naked breasts we saw in cosmo with a friend - dreaming one day of HAVING those breasts and being a fairy princess and being taken away in a carriage with a white horse and the love of my life. And boobs. Remember Leggs? Omg those were my boobs!!! One day my friend''s brother saw them and he of course expressed an interest in the boobies. I was 8 - he was 6. we hit the motherlode one day when we found the joy of sex - the 70''s version with the pit hair and everything lol After a few weeks of talking about it we tried to do it and it was all very natural and innocent... there was no monster sex pusher or abuser, just a couple of kids who were free to explore...

... I married that guy and we''ve been married 18 years and not a day goes by when I can''t look back on that story and have not a single regret that we tried It didn''t work... until we were adults, but you bet I don''t regret premarital sex either.

And since I''ve already gone way past tmi in being so forthright, I''ve also sold ''toys'' (I was lousy and always trying to convince people to get rid of theirs and talk to their husbands lol) - and it didn''t last long and I have mixed feelings about sex for money... but sex for sex isn''t all bad. Some of it is damn good.

 

[phoenixgirl]

Re The Joy of Sex,

My parents had their copy in the basement where we all played alone all the time. How can they not have known we''d look through it?

I think that armpit hair was more fascinating to me than the actual pictures of sex! And then there were my dad''s PlayBoys from the three years when he had a subscription in the late 70s/early 80s, also stored in the basement where we played. But like you said, everything was filtered through my innocence. I don''t have any negative associations with seeing those images.

I am definitely personally conservative, but not in the sense of trying not to see other people''s bodies. If I see an attractive shirtless man jog by, DH will smile at me knowingly, and I''ll acknowledge yeah, that''s a good looking guy! This seems like a more natural and unifying reaction than for me to shout, "My eyes! My eyes!" as I run inside in horror. And men are so much more visual; I can''t expect DH not to notice other women visually. But I''m the only woman he spends time with in the bedroom, so I can''t complain!

If we see a sexual nude scene that is gratuitous, we''ll say so to each other, but if it''s erotic and inspirational, we''ll say that too. I don''t think there''s any shame in acknowledging what turns you on or what you find sexy with the one you love. I''d worry more if the subject were taboo. That''s when I''d expect to find DH secretly looking at **** and then trying to cover it up. In my experience, people who get hung up on taboos usually experience a lot of unnecessary guilt and wind up engaging in risky or excessive behavior when they finally crack, like my religious friends in high school who had unprotected sex because it would have been taboo to talk about/plan to use contraception, so they''d just wind up "accidentally" having sex, taking unnecessary risks, and feeling really horrid about themselves afterwards.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/7/2009 12:43:06 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 10/6/2009 4:16:35 PM
Author: elledizzy5
Man do I feel like a perv. We pause on the nudie parts.

ditto - I rewound several times and watched the junk in slow mo in sarah marshall lol

I have no problem with nudity - I love being naked. I don''t care who else is naked, it''s amusing to me if nothing else. I wouldn''t do like beach topless or other things, but I don''t think our bodies are sacred. I consider us animals who have chosen to use clothing to hide ourselves more than warm or adorn ourselves.

And yet I still manage to have a happy and monogamous marriage, happy children who don''t do drugs - I just have no problem pushing the envelope as needed.

pics???

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:32:27 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I am perfectly happy showing off my boobs to anyone (MINUS DANCINGFIRE) who cares to see.

Freke
your pair of boobs cost more than my wife''s E-ring.

 

[cara]

Too Patient, my first thought on reading your first post was that it sounded like a very Orthodox way of thinking! ''My body is only for my husband to see'' and ''He should only see my body no one''s else''s'' and all this body-viewing modesty tied to sexuality and faithfulness. You are making progress toward your new belief system, if nothing else

There are cultural standards for appropriate dress that vary widely across cultures, but most cultures do have some standards. And certain body parts are more sexualized in some cultures than others. I''m thinking of a scene in the Poisonwood Bible describing topless African women carefully making sure their long skirts covered their legs, lest some man scandalously see their ankles! From the modern Western prospective, a woman fussing over her possibly visible ankles while her boobs hang out is a little ridiculous, but clearly in this African culture ankles and lower legs were provocative female body parts for a man to look on but breasts were just neutral baby-feeding organs.

So for me, I try to dress appropriate for my culture and body and location, and I have a sense of privacy that mostly reflects my upbringing. I''m American, 30-some, no longer go around in short skirts or *too* scimpy tops, though I''ll still show some cleavage in a party dress (not so much at work) or wear an appropriate swim suit to the pool or beach. Not comfortable enough go topless on a public beach but not beyond skinny dipping in the rare right situation. I don''t go around with my breasts hanging out (no babies to feed yet!) and don''t mind flashing some ankle to any Tom, Dick or Sally.

Similarly, I still feel uncomfortable watching movies with sex scenes with my parents (sex + parents = really uncomfortable), would feel somewhat less watching sex scenes with friends and much less watching sex scenes with my husband. But that is mainly about the sex content not necessarily the nudity. Not that I am completely fine about nudity, but its just a body and my reaction depends on the context and detail involved. A life-size big screen might change my tune a bit as well!

But I think the big difference is my modesty related to nudity (or lack thereof, depending) is personal and not a reflection on my faithfulness to my husband. If I were to, say, spill a chemical on myself and have to strip naked and take an emergency shower in my lab in front of my coworkers, I may be mortified but NOT feel like my husband had been wronged or that my coworkers'' seeing me was a sexual violation or act of unfaithfulness - just embarrassing for me from a personal perspective. Likewise, were I to see another man naked taking his emergency shower, I would not automatically think that my husband should be concerned or it was taking something away from our marriage.

My problem with tying nudity to sexuality and faithfulness is that, when taken to an extreme, it basically sexualizes the entire body and then restricts how one can function in society. Bodies have a purpose beyond sex and marriage faithfulness, and when modesty is made of paramount importance, sometimes other useful things the body could do are prohibited and it affects how people in society function.

Just look at the burka - its not just a fashion choice for modest women. It takes a woman out of society by reducing her to the owner of a female body, which is a sexual object and must be covered up. You don''t see many women running marathons in a headscarf or even strict Orthodox garb because its impractical. Even something as mundane as feeding a child (breastfeeding) or changing a shirt in a parking lot becomes problematic. Either by design or effect, cultures with strict modesty codes end up sexualizing the human body and restricting interaction between or comingling of the sexes (outside of marriage). And these rules often, though not always, have a disparate impact on women. But they are cultural, and the modesty rules might provide some other functions within the culture and the culture some other benefits to the humans partaking.

To each their own, said the woman as she kissed the cow!

 

[sba771]

Toopatient- based on everything you have posted I thought you might find this blog interesting http://www.jewinthecity.com/

 

[Lozza]

I have to admit I quite enjoy seeing other naked people - either on TV or in person. I find bodies fascinating, and some of them are quite a turn on! SO is less into it than I am, which is a shame because I would be more than happy for us to read playboy together!

I don''t generally show my naked body (except in gym change rooms), but this is more to do with body confidence issues than any moral values.

Obviously this is a very personal topic and there will be many different views. But, personally, I think avoiding all nude bodies except for your partners does seem a little extreme.

 

[oddoneout]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:32:27 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I am perfectly happy showing off my boobs to anyone (MINUS DANCINGFIRE) who cares to see.


I hit puberty at 11.

At 14 I was a DD.

At 19 my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and had a double mastectomy.

At 20 I was a GG.

At 21 I had a breast reduction.

At 24 I sketched and drew two nude models.

At 25 I hung the female up in my living room.


When my boobs got so big that people were asking if I had breast implants, I ceased caring. At 15, trying to pick out a homecoming dress that fit my body and didn''t reveal too much in the way of cleavage, all I wanted a normal sized chest. When your favorite joke becomes ''I have cleavage in a turtleneck'', you come to realize that it''s just a body part. I don''t know how many people have seen me in only my underwear on that operating table. I don''t particularly care. At 20, disrobing for a plastic surgeon to measure and evaluate my breasts for downsizing them and easing the pain on my body...body parts.


My body isn''t perfect. Now it''s covered in hard won and expensive scars. But my body is amazing. It can do all of these wonderful things I never dreamed as a kid, of it being able to do. I don''t take the best care of it, and I probably should try harder. But it is my body. I will clothe it how I want. I will do with it what I want. I will display it to who I want (in particular, women who are considering breast reductions). I will fall down stairs and end up at the bottom with my top around my waist in front of my male best friend. I will freely disrobe for my oldest friend in the world who is an artist, so she can depict it in any way she wants.


It is my body. It is what I make it. Sometimes it''s sexual, and sometimes it''s not, but I will do with it what I want, and I''m not going to justify it to anyone.

Well said.

 

[nytemist]

Oddoneout, i''m so with you. I was a B at 12, D at 16, F by 20 and I''m now a J. When I was a swimmer I knew that was the reason so many boys came to meets. It was uncomfortable to be looked at for your boobs at an early age since I wasn''t old enouhg to handle it. Fomr my mid-20s to now? I do''t care who stares at them: no matter what I wear they are obvious. My aunt said to me a long time ago that cleavage is a woman''s natural accessary. I proudly wear v-necks, wrap tops, tanks, whatever. I don''t wear shorts or shorter skirts since they don''t look right on me; I have short legs. I volunteered to be a model for a photographer friend in back in college who was doing erotic art photos. It was great.

I''m no model. I''m short and stocky. But I''m strong from years of working out and playing sports so I''m ok with myself (though I could lose a couple around the midsection) Despite that, it''s usually always naked time in our place. Countless friends have seen me naked, female and male. I don''t care about changing in front of people or briefly cath me leaving the shower. Now, some I know are not nearly comfortable with that so I would make the effort to not do something like that in front of them.

But this how I am. I know it isn''t the same for everyone. My older sister is kind of embarrassed seeing nudity in a movie and she''s a nurse! She''s seen it all in real life. I''m all for more male nudity in movies. I have no problem looking through my friend''s Playboys, Voluptuous and Penthouses when he buys them. It seems the older I get, the more my modesty goes out the window. Funny since I had conservative parents growing up. I told DH that I would love to go to Hedonism in Jamaica. He got very wide-eyed.

I guess I''m in the perv pile too!

 

[Cehrabehra]

brava cara! Except... for the beastiality at the end

 

[dragonfly411]

Too- I just wanted to say I do really admire your steadfastness in your beliefs. I hope that us jesting at first wasn''t hurtful to you, as we all view it differently. I have friends who are very conservative and I find it interesting and I definitely respect it.

Growing up, I was honestly not very exposed to sexual imaging or content and had a very naive mind. I was encouraged in my crushes on movie star hunks, but I never really thought about sex or anything related. At 10 I was wearing my first bras, and by 13 I was wearing a c-d. I stayed in that range up until this past year when I lost weight. I was always VERY Self conscious of this when I was younger. As I got older and became more exposed to fashion and to "sexier" looks, I adjusted my looks to try to make myself look attractive.

I think it all depends on how comfortable we are, what we believe and what we want look wise.

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/8/2009 10:38:36 AM
Author: dragonfly411
Too- I just wanted to say I do really admire your steadfastness in your beliefs. I hope that us jesting at first wasn''t hurtful to you, as we all view it differently. I have friends who are very conservative and I find it interesting and I definitely respect it.

Growing up, I was honestly not very exposed to sexual imaging or content and had a very naive mind. I was encouraged in my crushes on movie star hunks, but I never really thought about sex or anything related. At 10 I was wearing my first bras, and by 13 I was wearing a c-d. I stayed in that range up until this past year when I lost weight. I was always VERY Self conscious of this when I was younger. As I got older and became more exposed to fashion and to ''sexier'' looks, I adjusted my looks to try to make myself look attractive.

I think it all depends on how comfortable we are, what we believe and what we want look wise.

It has been interesting seeing the wide range of views here. Not really a topic discussed much IRL since it can be so touchy. Certainly not a conversation for the office (especially since I only work with 70 year old men). I already know where my family stands on stuff. Ranging from never even talk about it all the way to stand in the kitchen topless for bra measurings.

I was not really raised religious. Changed in front of people until I was about 10. First time with a guy was age 13. Never cared about nudity. Just a body after all.
Now with my studying I''ve gotten a different view on it. Still learning how to deal with this. At home is easy enough. But out in the world with work & friends is more of a challenge.

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/8/2009 2:23:39 AM
Author: sba771
Toopatient- based on everything you have posted I thought you might find this blog interesting http://www.jewinthecity.com/

Skimmed through a bit. Looks interesting. Thanks for passing this on.

 

[somethingshiny]

toopatient~ In response to your earlier question, I''m Christian. I belong to the United Methodist Church but my beliefs don''t really aline with any religion fully. I don''t have a religion that "pushes" the no-nudity rule. Just my own take on my study.




btw- Where did the "woman who kissed the cow" phrase come from?? I''ve never heard it.

 

[TooPatient]

Date: 10/8/2009 11:48:09 AM
Author: somethingshiny
toopatient~ In response to your earlier question, I''m Christian. I belong to the United Methodist Church but my beliefs don''t really aline with any religion fully. I don''t have a religion that ''pushes'' the no-nudity rule. Just my own take on my study.




btw- Where did the ''woman who kissed the cow'' phrase come from?? I''ve never heard it.

Thanks for sharing. It is great that you study and form your own opinions/beliefs out of what you read. I have seen too many people recently who just listen to whatever is said to them and never look into it further. There are so many possible meanings and interpretations of different things out there.

Isn''t it great that we live in a world where we are able to read & study & debate? How wonderful that we can all have differing opinions on stuff and share them with others who have their own opinions.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Too Patient - I cannot agree with you more in your last post. Whatever brings us closer to our own truth in this mysterious existence we all share, is a good thing. Not to quote martha or anything lol

 

[Pandora II]

Date: 10/7/2009 1:42:21 PM
Author: Smurfyimproved

Date: 10/7/2009 4:53:56 AM
Author: Pandora II
Breastfeeding is what boobs were designed for and anyone who finds it sexual is frankly a bit of a pervert IMO. I am discreet and don''t flop them out there, but I can''t think of anywhere that it is inappropriate to feed a small baby. I have fed her from the benches of a Council meeting, 50 metres underground in a cave, restaurants, supermarkets, churches during weddings, walking down the street etc. I doubt if most people even know I''m feeding her, most probably assume that she is just asleep.

I''m just curious if anyone noticed you feeding your daughter during a wedding...I mean..I''m not saying it''s wrong but if someone noticed wouldn''t it distract from the ceremony??

LOL, less of a distraction than the other baby who decided to scream it''s head off!

Although I will admit that Daisy has this very annoying habit: when she''s feeding at home, she is silent, but anytime she is feeding and it''s an occasion where silence would be nice - speeches, vows etc - she will insist on stopping every now and then and very loudly going ''Mmmmm'' and smacking her lips. The couple in the seats in front of us were dying laughing (they have 3 kids themselves).

No one else noticed at all, especially since I have special nursing clothes which open very discreetly and otherwise look like normal clothes do.