Do some really like it small?

[Logan Sapphire]

Please, please, please do NOT buy that BBB 1.28 ring just because you are embarassed! I know plenty of people in real life who are not obsessed with diamonds the way Pricescopers are; they are perfectly happy with modestly sized stones, and they should be!

And don''t worry (easier said than done, though) about what other people think about your fiancee''s ring. Some may laugh if they consider it too small, just as you yourself overheard, but just think- if you went large, people may comment negatively too. They may assume you had to choose a poor quality stone to get size, or they may grab at her hand and gawk. This happens all the time to people I know with 2+ ct stones; it really embarasses them. People may judge you for wasting your money on a large diamond when there''s X that the money could''ve been better spent on. There''s no pleasing anyone but yourself and your fiancee.

Here on Pricescope it''s easy to become envious of others'' rings; to me, that''s the downside of PS. I have a .78ct, the smallest of my friends and family. I will admit that at times I look around at the beautiful rings here and wish I had a bigger stone, but then I step back and remember that I picked it with my fiance''s budget in mind, and that while I would like a 1.5ct (still might get there someday!), I would much rather we pay off our large grad student loans and buy a house in expensive DC.

 

[lizzyd]

Hi Stilllookin'

Perhaps you could have a talk with your gf about size and cost.

If this is really bothering you, you may be picking up on a vibe she's giving off. I don't think you or she are being "shallow" or selfish because you care what other people think, or for valuing what other people value. It is a rare person for whom that is not an issue, at least on some level.

If you involve her in the selection, then she will get to know sizes and prices. Is she comfortable with the fact that if you incur a debt, it becomes hers too when you're married, especially if something (god forbid) should ever happen to you? Also, while you're paying off that balance, it may mean you have to cut back on other things like: the size of the wedding, the place you'll live, when you can handle the $$ of having a baby, etc. It's not necessarily bad to go into debt for a big ticket item (that's what credit is for), but you should be aware of the trade-offs. You might want to sit down with her and make your priority list so you're both on the same page about all this stuff.

Here's what I would consider:

Look through the P-scope vendors (who have good trade-in policies) for the best, biggest, most sparklie diamond in your price range.

Then I would have it set in something like this

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-new-bezel-set-micro-pave-e-ring-setting-is-here.18526/= especially scroll down to the before and after shots.


also, https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-forum-engagement-ring-folder-eye-candy.5429/page-21 (Reena's, the one at the top of the page),

or like this https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-e-ring-from-nice-ice.23529/

These rings are way more than what you would be considering, but it gives you a visual of just how much perceived size a pave halo adds to the center stone. Somewhere on that last one from browneyedgurl there is a before and after shot that shows the remarkable difference. I just can't find the thread right now (urgh!).

Using P-scope vendors (I wouldn't go near BBB) you probably won't get pressured to buy bigger, you can get a really great cut stone (which will make it look bigger too), you'll get a better price than you would at a retail store (and you can put the savings into a bigger stone or a killer setting) and many of them can put it in any kind of setting you like, at less expense.

As for the twits who said thay's be ashamed of a ring that had a small stone, they are mean, jealous, rude people. Besides, you're not marrying them, so what do you care? If they ever dare critisize your ring, you could always come back with something like "Really, your just too gracious for words. Where did your mother send you for charm school, the NHL?"

Good luck. Let us know what you decide!

Cheers,
LizzyD

edited to correct link.

 

[Logan Sapphire]

You should check out the Under 1ct Rings in the Show Me the Ring folder. There are definitely beautiful rings there!

 

[valeria101]

Date: 3/16/2005 9:25:36 AM
Author: lizzyd

As for the twits who said thay's be ashamed of a ring that had a small stone, they are mean, jealous, rude people

Actually, I hope they don't exist. Imagining those two chattering away about how they'd be ashamed of a small ring (recounted on previous post above) is disgusting

. As social behavior their's fringes the grotesque

Forget those. No matter what you do it's not going to please such crowd: smaller than theirs would be "puny", larger "gaudy" just the same "he-could-not-do-better-than-copy-us".

It is not right that either you or your girl should worry now about this ring most of all with an important step (the actual engagement, for Pete's sake !) ahed. Perhaps just talk things over with a price list infront. That should help cool things down.

 

[BluePea]

Hi Stilllooking,

As others have suggested in response to your post, I think you should consider buying a diamond on-line. For the same budget, you can get a small stone with great color, clarity, etc. or you can choose a larger one, also beautiful, but with lower color and clarity. It''s a matter of personal preference towards what end of the spectrum you are leaning.

I got a .94 carat stone, because I need the specs to be great - and I am not implying that this is good or bad, this is who I am, I have to know that my diamond is great on paper, even if I can''t necessarily see the difference - but I could have gotten a 1.8 carat H SI1 (I did a search on Pricescope) for the same price. Or I could have gotten a .6 or .7 carat D IF.

It sounds like your girlfriend cares more about size; PriceScope offers great tools to help you choose an amazing looking stone from one of the on-line vendors, and I think you should do some research before you commit to the stone that you put on hold.

 

[fire&ice]

I''m kinda torn on this one. Whether it should be so - people *do* look and make comments on an engagement ring. For some reason, it''s open season. Some may think it goes to issue on how much you are willing to sacrifice for your to be (i.e. how much you love her). Others may simply be jealous of someone''s pending engagement - the same people may comment that the diamond is too big!

The issue comes down to how much debt you will be incurring & the opportunity cost lost for such debt. In other words, how painful will the debt be? Is this your only debt or is it compounding? Keep in mind that money ( or lack thereof) can be a strain on a marriage.

My advice would be more along the lines of massaging your diamond spec parameters & getting a far better price than BBB will offer. You may be able to have your cake and it it too.

I vote let us help you find the diamond of your/her dreams & not go into debt!

 

[ame]

I personally like my under 1 ct. It looks right on my hand and it doesn''t sit out as far so I don''t bang it as much on things.

 

[lizzyd]

Hey still lookin'

Here are a couple of ideas:


I don't know what your budget is, with or without debt, but if you're looking at something that's 1.2ct+ at BBB then this shouldn't break your bank.

This looks like an incredible stone, at least on paper!! http://whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1131802.htm# It scores four Excellents and 0.9

on the Holloway Cut Advisor, is a good 6mm in diameter, and seems to be a very reasonable price.

You could have them put it in a setting from the link below:

posted by Aysha
I found the same setting at this website.(19686L) If you cannot see the item #, just save the page to your computer, and view it through your documents, where you should be able to zoom in. Im not sure if its exact, but having the setting already cast, saves time and money.

http://www.adwar.com/products/catalog18/page1082/index.html Here is the link to the company. Remember, these are just the castings, so they are not polished or molded into a final product, and of course the have no stones in them. Any reputable jeweler can order a casting from these people, buy the stone and make your ring. It saves money because the jeweller doesnt have to make a mold and so forth. Furthermore, the casting are great becauser there is alot on them for the jeweler to work with.

Furthermore, there are many similar designs in the Adwar catalogue, so be sure to check them out. REGARdless, you will save money if you go this option. ALways cheaper then getting the jeweler to make the ring from scratch, and ALOT cheaper then buying the Ritani ring!

with pave around the center stone. I think this would ROCK!!!

Her ring would outshine, outsparkle and outclass almost any other ring she came across, regardless of size (unless of course she ran into another P-scoper, hehe).

Cheers,
LizzyD

 

[sjz]

Date: 3/16/2005 10

4:14 AM
Author: fire&ice

I''m kinda torn on this one. Whether it should be so - people *do* look and make comments on an engagement ring. For some reason, it''s open season. Some may think it goes to issue on how much you are willing to sacrifice for your to be (i.e. how much you love her). Others may simply be jealous of someone''s pending engagement - the same people may comment that the diamond is too big!&nbsp

The bottom line is, you can''t please everyone, only yourself and your bride-to-be. I''ve actually seen this issue go both ways. I remember a few years back, two nurses where I was working got engaged right around the same time. One of the nurses was engaged to a doctor. She had a very pretty ering with a center stone that was about 1/2 carat with smaller side stones. I thought it was a very pretty ring, but I heard other people talking behind her back about how small it was, considering she was engaged to a doctor. I know that she would have been really hurt to have heard those comments. The other nurse had a bigger looking diamond marquise solitiare that was obviously over one carat. Her fiance was just an "average" guy with a "regular" job who also happened to be fairly young. She also had a very beautiful diamond. I heard the same gossipy co-workers talking about her ring, and how it wouldn''t suprise them if it was a CZ, since her boyfriend didn''t have a really high paying job and they couldn''t imagine how he could afford a rock like that.

I didn''t even want to wear my ring to work anymore after hearing those catty remarks. I usually only wore my wedding band to work, anyway, because as a nurse I was either washing my hands continually, or wearing gloves anyway. But I also didn''t want my ring to be subjected to those kinds of hateful remarks. I figured if the co-workers could find fault with those two rings, they would surely find fault with mine!

 

[ursulawrite]

You just have to ignore these people.

When I went into an upscale kitchen place in Soho the other day, the woman working there clocked my e-ring -- which I couldn''t believe -- and proceeded to be rather rude. Of course she soon changed her tune when I told her our budget for a kitchen.

People who make assumptions about your financial situation based on the size of the diamond you wear are mad and misinformed. One need only read the wedding section in the NY Post (sorry, guilty pleasure) to see that firemen, maintenance engineers and low-level execs are getting in on the two- and three-carat act.

Buy what you can afford now and don''t treat the ring as if it were a set of Louis Vuitton luggage bought on higher purchase.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 3/16/2005 12

2:10 PM
Author: ursulawrite
You just have to ignore these people.

One can choose to do this. But, it doesn''t negate the fact that it goes on whether it be diamonds, dress, house or choice of car. But, more senitiment & emotions are tied up in an engagement ring.

One usually recommends the path they themselves have chosen.

In the end, only the poster knows his circumstances. She may indeed want a smaller stone in earnest. But, she also may be thinking about the poster''s financial state.

Again, I hope the poster comes back and let us professional shopper''s get him size in budget.

 

[sjz]

Date: 3/16/2005 12:37:53 PM
Author: fire&ice

Date: 3/16/2005 12

2:10 PM
Author: ursulawrite
You just have to ignore these people.

One can choose to do this. But, it doesn''t negate the fact that it goes on whether it be diamonds, dress, house or choice of car. But, more senitiment & emotions are tied up in an engagement ring.

One usually recommends the path they themselves have chosen.

In the end, only the poster knows his circumstances. She may indeed want a smaller stone in earnest. But, she also may be thinking about the poster''s financial state.

Again, I hope the poster comes back and let us professional shopper''s get him size in budget.

I think your advice is the wisest so far. You are right, we are all recommending the paths we''ve chosen ourselves. Those of us who chose smaller stones and are happy with them suggest that route, while the ones who got large stones, or who ended up being uhappy with their small ones and upgraded are suggesting going large. In the end, it all amounts to personal preference and realistic affordablitity. There are so many people on PS that know how to find a bargain, if he comes back, he''s bound to be helped into finding the perfect diamond!

 

[sparklish]

Yes, there are women who honestly don''t want a 1 ct, even if it were offered. My fiance and I can afford one carat easily, but I don''t want it. I wear a 1/3 ct, and 1/2 is the biggest I would want.

I feel exactly the same way as this person. We could afford a carat, but I don''t want it, for a few reasons, mainly because it''s not the sort of thing I''d want to wear daily. Is there any way you can ask and find out what it is your fiancée would want? Can you ask her sister? Would she be heartbroken with a smaller ring, or would she maybe not care as much as you think?

I actually had a dream the other night that my BF bought me a ring and it was too big and I was so upset!

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Hmmm. . .okay, my diamond is smaller than most on here and for a year or so, I kept thinking, "must have bigger, must have bigger," but when I tried on larger stones (like a 2 carat) they looked ridiculous on me. I'm only 110 lbs/size 2 and the two-carat rock was so big on my finger, I felt like I was wearing one of those lolly pop rings!

I'm obsessed like most here, but honestly, in trying on various sizes, I've concluded that less-than-one carat looks BEST on me. I LIKE bigger rocks, but do not find them to be suitable for my hands, so I tend to gravitate to what compliments my hands more than what others find compliments theirs.

If my husband handed me $10K to blow on jewelery, I'd FOR CERTAIN pick out two or three smaller stones over one bigger stone.

 

[sjz]

Date: 3/16/2005 1

5:45 PM
Author: sparklish

Yes, there are women who honestly don''t want a 1 ct, even if it were offered. My fiance and I can afford one carat easily, but I don''t want it. I wear a 1/3 ct, and 1/2 is the biggest I would want.

I feel exactly the same way as this person. We could afford a carat, but I don''t want it, for a few reasons, mainly because it''s not the sort of thing I''d want to wear daily. Is there any way you can ask and find out what it is your fiancée would want? Can you ask her sister? Would she be heartbroken with a smaller ring, or would she maybe not care as much as you think?

I actually had a dream the other night that my BF bought me a ring and it was too big and I was so upset!

I am like you guys, too. I would probably be upset if my husband tried to suprise me with anything really huge. I would be thinking what all else he could have spent the money for...lol.

A couple of years ago, my hubby gave me a really big, thick, chunky looking omega necklace for Christmas. I was so upset! I like more dainty necklaces, or chains that I can wear with a pendant. He spent way too much money for something that I wouldn''t really wear very often (if at all!) He could tell by the look on my face that it wasn''t what I was expecting, and he ended up letting me exchange it for something more to my taste. He ended up with quite a few bucks left over.

 

[bar01]

I find it interesting to see differences on diamond sizes among geographical areas in the US. It appears that some regions, cities or towns in the US seem more likely to be into attempts to "show" success, status, or money.

My gal grew up in an economically depressed area in upstate New York and if anyone got a 1ct diamond e-ring it was considered a major news event. I grew up outside of Detroit and I find when I go back to visit that even though the economy is not doing that great, there are quite a few people who like flashy cars, clothes and big (but poor quality) diamonds and other outward symbols. There must be a lot of debt out there.

Currently, I live within the boundaries of the wealthiest suburban area in the Midwest (and its among the tops in the entire US). People have serious money out here (not me though!). However, except for the value of their homes, they mostly avoid "showing their money" outwardly with overly flashy cars, clothes or jewelry. It is one of the reasons I like living there.

I say go with what your gal likes. A ring that you can afford to pay for now - or maybe - with a small loan you can pay off in less than a year. Use one of the pricescope vendors like Whiteflash who will save you money - AND - allow you the option to upgrade to a larger diamond in the future.

Of course I (and a few others) could also talk about “prejudices” and “peer pressures” that exist among some people about e-rings that aren’t even based on a diamond at all….

Bottom line - Is this ring going to be a reflection of the uniqueness of you and your gal at this time of your life - or the expectations of others?

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 3/15/2005 11

8:20 PM
Author: stilllookin
Thanks for the replies. My fiancee works for a pharmacy. The other day, a co-worker was showing all of us her engagement ring and I overheard two girls walking away laugh at how shamed they would be if their engagement rings were that small, that they would either buy a cz or pretend they weren''t engaged so they didn''t have to show everyone the puny sized ring. I think her diamond looked about 0.50 to about 0.75.

This is just horrible and sad (not to mention ignorant, pathetic, rude...).

I can understand the pressure you feel and the concern you have for your girlfriend and her feelings in light of idiots she might run into, like the two girls you mention above. But the best advice is to stick to your means, do the best you can, then propose and celebrate the REAL deal here--your commitment and love for eachother.

We live in a very materialistic society and there''s not much we can do about it but be true to ourselves. I got engaged with a very simple ring and I was just so happy to be enagaged that it didn''t matter. I am sure you GF will feel the same way.

Plus, when you get a well-cut diamond, the stone will outsparkle 99% of the other diamonds/rings out there...

 

[stilllookin]

You guys are awesome. I really appreciate all of your feedback. This site is awesome, where else can a guy ask questions like this.
All of you have good points about going into “debt” for a ring, vs. buying what you can afford. I am a sentimental person so I would not be too happy if my wife wanted to upgrade her original ring. So upgrade in the future is not really a viable option although I hope to shower her with other gifts by then. The background story about is that she is from a well to do Korean family. Her father is on the board for one of the major corporation in Korea. She pretty much grew up with whatever she wanted but not spoiled or lavished with money, but comfortably off, etc. She was sent to school over here with her sister and much to her parent’s initial disappointment, she met me! I’m not Korean so overcoming that was quite a challenge at first but over time they have come to accept me. Her sister’s husband is a doctor and her brother is an attorney. My girlfriend is well educated and from what I gather from her and other Korean friends, some Korean families can be quite picky about their potential son/daughter in-law when their kids are well educated, are in academic professions and are from a comfortably off family. I work in sales and dropped out of college so you can imagine this is quite a sore spot. Last month, I was asked to go part-time or be layed off. This is all bad timing but I know I want to propose to my girlfriend and start a family with her asap. Her parents have offered to help us buy a house so I already feel very indebted to them. Last thing I want to do is to buy a ring that she feels is inadequate. She hasn’t said so outright and I don’t think she would, but I definitely feel that she would like something at least a carat big.
I really only can afford about 4K but am thinking of taking a 5 thousand dollar loan. The BBB stone was about 11K…I think I’ll start looking online if that is what you recommend.
Lastly, I hate this competitive thing with diamonds!! It can really put a damper on what should be a beautiful occasion.

 

[fortheloveofdiamonds]

You only get engaged once, hopefully, you''ll keep the engagement ring forever, the thing about upgrading is that upgrading isn''t the same, it doesn''t have the same sentimental value as the original ring. An upgrade is another ring, not an engagement ring.

I have to to disagree that the upgrade is "another ring". My engagement ring will always be special to me. However, my upgrade ring is just as if not more special than my original. The fact is that my engagement ring was given to me before marriage. Before bills, before mortgages, before we came together as man and wife. The upgrade ring symbolizes, imo, the leaps and bounds that we have made as a married couple and it is special that my husband, knowing what it''s like to be married to me, wants to marry me all over again...

 

[valeria101]

Date: 3/16/2005 2:22:6 PM
Author: stilllookin

The BBB stone was about 11K…

Wow! Yours is quite a story. I am sorry to hear the more strenuous part.... I and I hope you do not feel that much urge to go overboard just to "fit in" with the future in-laws

... right ?

11k for 1.3 carats is ALLOT.

Try G-H/SI1, AGS0 cut... and I would say 1 carat. And an elegant solitaire setting. That would likely not add up to 4k (unless you take a crash course on jewelry and buy from a private seller)... but not 10k either.

(returned to add) Anyway. I don't think it is right to spend allot, let alone get into debt for this. If 4k are ready to go - that should be it.

 

[fountainfairfax]

just to add my opinion, my first e-ring had a approx .75 carat oval center stone of high cut, clarity and color, with small rounds and baguettes as side stones and I received so many compliments on it during the short time I got to wear it (we were divorced within 3 years.) It was a more-than-perfect ring for the then-24 year-old me and I wore it with tremendous love and pride. Although I had to sell it almost 10 yrs ago to make ends meet, I still have dreams about it!

its not about size, but the thought behind the purchase & giving of such symbolism.

 

[partgypsy]

I''m one of those people who prefers diamonds on the small side, but reading between the lines, her background, what she has shown you, etc your girlfriend may not be. I would also not want my future husband to spend more money than he could afford on a ring for me, it just wouldn''t make me feel comfortable. I would not let yourself get pressured into buying a diamond like that. We know you love your girlfriend and want to make her happy, but do it in a smart way. What I would do is make a budget for yourself, maybe it''s 4K, maybe it''s 6K (but something reasonable!) and seriously think about getting a beautiful stone from one of the vendors here. I think, especially if you go SI quality, you can find a beautiful, well cut stone around a carat that will be better quality, better price than what you find at the local places.

As far as her family, regardless of how big of a diamond you give her they may not like you (the first 5 years I was going out with my husband-to-be my father referred to him as what''s his name) but ultimately they will come around if they see you two are happy together and have a good relationship.

 

[BluePea]

Would a colored gemstone, such as a sapphire, be an option for your girlfriend? Somebody posted a gorgeous ring they put together, with a sapphire center and two diamond side stones (I think the thread is in the Show Me the Ring forum) for not too much money. I am getting a diamond, but I would have very much loved something like that too.

 

[Momoftwo]

Date: 3/16/2005 8

9:18 AM
Author: sjz
I''m not trying to be snotty, but it really surprises me that some people would encourage someone to take out a loan or go into debt over a diamond! If I were a guy, I would not even want to propose to a woman who might be disappointed in the size of the diamond I gave her, or be ashamed or embarassed of it in front of her friends and family. How shallow is that? And why would anyone want to be engaged to or marry someone who''s only concern was the size of the diamond and the amount of money spent? A bigger or more expensive stone doesn''t mean ''I love you more'' or ''you are more special'' than a smaller one. I''m willing to bet the bank that the biggest majority of people''s first diamond was under one carat. Even those ladies here on PS that are sporting huge honkers. In the real world, most people who are getting engaged, especially for the first time, can''t afford it. Upgrading is always an option, or just buy her more jewelry over the years.

Not to be a killjoy, but there is another thing to consider. In the real world, there is a pretty high divorce rate. I am one of the unfortunate statistics myself. Unfortunately, there is always a chance that a guy can go out and put himself into major debt over a diamond for a lady who will later break the engagement or divorce him in a handfull of years anyway. There is no way you can be sure of getting your investment back under those circumstances. I know that sounds terrible, but it''s the real world. It might be better to consider buying something for her that is nice and something you can afford. Later you can always buy her a bigger diamond, like as a wedding gift or an anniversary gift.

I''ve never been able to figure out the allure of a woman who would place more emphasis on the size of a diamond over the size of the heart of the man who gives it to her.

I did not encourage him to go get a loan he can''t afford. He is an adult after all and I hope no one he has never met would have that much influence. I made the point that people get loans for cars (that are disposable) all the time. And anyone who takes the divorce rate into consideration before buying a diamond probably shouldn''t be getting married. If you look at it that way, there would be lots of things not do to, mix money, buy a home, have children, etc..... All, just in case it doesn''t work. Come on. That''s not an argument for buying a small ring.

Her saying it was "fine" tells me it wasn''t an enthusiastic, yes, let ''s get a small ring. I think he should find out what she really wants and there is a thing called compromise. Compromise is one of the reasons my DH and I''ve been happily married for 24 years.

 

[fire&ice]

Stillooking - do a pricescope search for diamonds with similar specs like Ana said g/h vs2-si1.

Whiteflash - 1.20 H VS2 57 table 60.3 depth vg polish & symetry - listed $6,653 -

A far cry from 11k.

Also, their are quite a few very nice "just shy" of 1c mark - like 95.96.97 points. Many will face up very close to 1c. The prices for those are running close to your 4k budget.

Step away from the BBB ring *until* you explore some of the great on-line vendors here with much better pricing structure. I found BBB to be quite expensive.

 

[Buena Girl]

Date: 3/16/2005 5:18:27 PM
Author: fire&ice


Also, their are quite a few very nice ''just shy'' of 1c mark - like 95.96.97 points. Many will face up very close to 1c. The prices for those are running close to your 4k budget.

Step away from the BBB ring *until* you explore some of the great on-line vendors here with much better pricing structure. I found BBB to be quite expensive.

I think that would be an excellent compromise!! Technically, it is less than 1 carat (so you save $$$), but the diamond will probably look like at least a carat to most people.

 

[pearcrazy]

Remember, it''s not the size of the boat, it''s the motion in the ocean.

Oh wait, you were talking about DIAMONDS!!!

NEVERMIND!

 

[Dancing Fire]

stilllookin

no....no.....no e-ring debt,getting in debt is one of the quickest way to a divorce.if 4k is what you can afford then you should start looking for a 4k ring.if you don''t believe in upgrading the original e-ring thats fine too.in the furture just buy her another( bigger) diamond ring and also keep teh original e-ring for sentimental reasons.there''s no law saying,she can''t own 2 diamond rings.

 

[Hest88]

Okay, if you think they''re not going to respect you for getting her a smaller stone, they''re totally not going to respect you for starting their daughter''s marriage in debt. They *will* respect hard work and financial stability. They know your financial circumstances, and your fiancee also needs to learn to live within your means. This isn''t just about the engagement; it''s about the marriage. If she loves you she will be thrilled with whatever you get. I never begrudge a woman for wanting a larger stone or a man for wanting to get his love a larger stone, but it''s really not good to be foolish about it. How will you pay for your honeymoon? Your wedding? And even though your in-laws are helping with the house, there are so many expenses---repairs, property tax, insurance---you''ll need to budget for.

This is .91---close enough to a carat:
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-978447.htm

This just over:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_01ct_i_si1.htm

 

[valeria101]

Date: 3/16/2005 7:48:3 PM
Author: Hest88

Okay, if you think they''re not going to respect you for getting her a smaller stone, they''re totally not going to respect you for starting their daughter''s marriage in debt.

Yeah!

... the dot right on the proverbial "I", Hest.

How about "nice ring - no debt" ?