Finding a Paraiba or Copper bearing Tourmaline

[elle_71125]

Quite disappointing indeed!
I’ll post photos, don’t give up on me please!
I’ve also gotten additional photos and videos of the 2 cabs. I’ll upload videos to YouTube and post links.

I look forward to it.

 

[Acinom]

Oww, how disapponting and annoying!
Don’t give up. Your ideal stones will come forward, but it might take a while.

Looking forward to see more pics of the pale stone and of the cabs.

 

[bright ice]

As promised, this is the 6.6 ct sugarloaf

 

[bright ice]

4.7 ct blue cab

 

[SparkliesLuver]

Yes, I’ve not had time to take photos but I’ll say that I’m not taken with the color. It’s quite light, more like an aquamarine. The seller’s photos must be a bit color enhanced.

I was afraid of this. But at least you know now and can rule it out!

Did you ever contact Jochen?

 

[bright ice]

I was afraid of this. But at least you know now and can rule it out!

Did you ever contact Jochen?

I did but haven’t gotten a response, I’ll try once again.

 

[SparkliesLuver]

I did but haven’t gotten a response, I’ll try once again.

Did you do it through email or Instagram DM? Just curious. He's usually pretty responsive.

 

[SparkliesLuver]

How do you feel about the two cab options now that you have more pictures?

 

[Acinom]

Don’t want to be a party pooper, but I do not feel these cabs are Bright ice-worthy based on these vids and pics. You have such an excellent taste in stones and jewelry and I feel you will not be happy with these...
But more importantly: how do you feel about these yourself?

 

[bright ice]

Did you do it through email or Instagram DM? Just curious. He's usually pretty responsive.

I sent an IG IM again. He just responded back, will get back with me Monday with inventory in my budget range.

 

[bright ice]

How do you feel about the two cab options now that you have more pictures?

The color saturation isn’t great enough to me. I’d prefer having a smaller gemstone with more color and glow.

 

[bright ice]

Don’t want to be a party pooper, but I do not feel these cabs are Bright ice-worthy based on these vids and pics. You have such an excellent taste in stones and jewelry and I feel you will not be happy with these...
But more importantly: how do you feel about these yourself?

You are right @Acinom, I’m going to pass and keep looking.

I’ll post photos of the pear once I have time to photograph it. It’s going to be returned though.

 

[elle_71125]

I sent an IG IM again. He just responded back, will get back with me Monday with inventory in my budget range.

I'm excited to hear this. His stuff looks awesome!

I agree with @Acinom about the cabs. They don't look as nice in the new pics & video. I think they would be a bit disappointing in person.

 

[bright ice]

Ok, here’s the 2.9 ct pear Paraiba. First photo is the seller’s from website, others are mine.

 

[chrono]

Wow, I’m sorry all 3 look so ordinary (nice colour but not glowy).

 

[SparkliesLuver]

I sent an IG IM again. He just responded back, will get back with me Monday with inventory in my budget range.

Excellent! His stones won't disappoint. Cannot wait!

 

[arkieb1]

Yes that is the problem with a lot of vendors with paraiba I once got in poop here for saying a lot of sellers including some of the reliable popular vendors, sell stones that are washed out looking, and in real life are very creative with their photos. Your posts only confirm this. Keep at it, you will find what you are looking for eventually.

 

[lovedogs]

Ok, here’s the 2.9 ct pear Paraiba. First photo is the seller’s from website, others are mine.

Are you willing to share the vendor? I really feel like they enhanced the pics somehow, and I'd like to avoid this vendor.

 

[bright ice]

Are you willing to share the vendor? I really feel like they enhanced the pics somehow, and I'd like to avoid this vendor.

I have no problem sharing the vendors.
The pear Paraiba.
https://www.forevergemstones.com/

Adam just got in the cabochons.
https://www.paraibainternational.com/

 

[Deathspi]

Ok, here’s the 2.9 ct pear Paraiba. First photo is the seller’s from website, others are mine.

Wow, that is a huge difference! Maybe worth putting that in the sticky if you haven’t already? I’ll definitely be avoiding that vendor...
Hope you find your perfect stone very soon.

 

[bright ice]

I've found another Paraiba that I want to inquire about. There is a statement on the GIA report that I am not familiar with though. Anyone know?
THIS? Scan QR code for more information
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6193337739&s=1533932340496

 

[ChanterelleJ]

Bright ice, color origin cannot currently be determined means:

As you probably know paraiba is usually heat treated. With some rare exceptions mined paraiba rough does not show the typical vivid blue green color until it has undergone heat treatment. The temperature required to induce the desired change in color can be pretty low. So low that the heat does not alter the inclusions within the stone which is why heat treatment in paraiba is difficult to detect with common gemological methods. That is why GIA and most other labs try to stay on the safe side and simply state color origin cannot currently be determined.

 

[bright ice]

Bright ice, color origin cannot currently be determined means:

As you probably know paraiba is usually heat treated. With some rare exceptions mined paraiba rough does not show the typical vivid blue green color until it has undergone heat treatment. The temperature required to induce the desired change in color can be pretty low. So low that the heat does not alter the inclusions within the stone which is why heat treatment in paraiba is difficult to detect with common gemological methods. That is why GIA and most other labs try to stay on the safe side and simply state color origin cannot currently be determined.

Thanks @ChanterelleJ, I was not sure if (Scan QR code for more information) was speaking of treatment but I assume that's what you are saying...Understood.

 

[ChanterelleJ]

Yes, if you scan the QR code you will be directed to the page that says color origin cannot currently be determined. There is also additional information on potential heat and irradiation treatment of tourmaline on the same page.

 

[bright ice]

2 cabochons from Jochen, first photo is a nice large 7.58 ct, small one is 1.77 ct with more blue. Both appear to be very beautiful choices but of course very different pricing as one would expect.


I’ve reached out to several vendors trying to locate several possibilities.
Yvonne is getting with her suppliers today to view a few pieces. I’m awaiting additional photos from an eBay vendor and I’ve reached out to Cees Van Oije who is meeting with his vendors.

 

[Acinom]

Ah, Jochen’s stones look promising. Could you request a side by side pic and video with the stones on his hand?

Good for you for doing your homework by reaching out to different vendors. I am convinced you will find your ‘Bright ice worthy’ Paraiba.

 

[bright ice]

Ah, Jochen’s stones look promising. Could you request a side by side pic and video with the stones on his hand?

Good for you for doing your homework by reaching out to different vendors. I am convinced you will find your ‘Bright ice worthy’ Paraiba.

Thanks @Acinom, his gems are very promising and gorgeous! He today sent me side-by-side photos and videos via IG IM but I don't have the ability to save or forward them. That's the downside of IG IM. He's given me pricing as well.

I also today placed an offer on a great looking Paraiba on eBay and it was accepted so I'm super excited. It comes with a 30 day return period so I felt I should go for it.
This:
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6193337739&s=1534282930917

 

[Acinom]

You are on a roll!! Are you comfortable with the pricing?

 

[bright ice]

You are on a roll!! Are you comfortable with the pricing?

@Acinom pricing on the 2 cabochons; 1.77ct - $5000 Euro, the 7.58 - $9000 Euro. The exchange rate is 0.88 Euro per US dollar. His pricing seems very fair compared to the others I'm finding. I would feel very comfortable knowing that if I buy from him it will be a beautiful gemstone, I assume he only carries some of the best!
I will say his pricing is very similar to the ones in this thread from Adam at PI.

 

[arkieb1]

Colourwise the smaller stone is the better of the two so it depends if you want big and I think more affordable or you want to go for colour over size, they are both beautiful stones either way!!!