Hillary V. The Donald, David Duke, and Chris Christie

[momhappy]

and don't even get me started about Sanders.....

Actually, as a Sanders supporter, I'd like to. What has he done that renders him unfit for office? And, remember, we had Bush -The-Younger for eight years. (Also known as Stupid Head.) Who got us into Iraq for no reason, caused its implosion, and created ISIS and thus the migration from Syria to Europe...

AGBF

He hasn't "done" anything yet and that's part of the problem actually. He has served in Congress for over two decades without having any major impact, which indicates that he lacks leadership skills. He lacks any sort of clarity when it comes to foreign policy/terrorism, which I find incredibly disturbing. Perhaps the biggest issue (for me) is his fiscal irresponsibility. Most of his ideas are focused on heavy spending and his supporters seem to be caught up in the ideological euphoria, while ignoring the political realities. He is pushing for massive change, but that change has zero chance of getting through Congress, so he'd either have to compromise (therefore giving up the "Sanders Revolution") or stick to his guns and possibly go down as one of the least effective presidents in US history. That's about it in a nutshell and just my .02 cents of course, so take it for what it's worth.

Fair enough. I will take it at face value for now. Even if it were true, it would make him by far the best candidate running for President today. Isn't that sad? I don't think it is true, but if it were, he would still be a prize compared to everyone else. Especially Trump. At least he protested racism back in 1963 and isn't courting former KKK members now. He doesn't call women "bimbos" and rate them with numbers. Hey, he's looking good to me!!! He even served a few decades in Congress after being a mayor! And, as of yet, no one has dug up a scandal on him.

As someone said about George W. Bush and his experience: he was briefly Governor of Texas then sobered up and said, "I think I'll become President". His IQ was as high as Bernie Sanders' kneecap, but somehow we survived him. Iraq and Syria, not so much.

AGBF

But each person needs to decide what issue they feel are important when deciding which candidate to support. I agree with you that in terms of issues of race and/or sex (discrimination), Sanders certainly rates far better than Trump, but there are so many other issues that are critically important to me (like foreign policy, terrorism, the economy, etc.). I can not support a candidate based on a single issue, which means that I could not support/vote for them. As much as I don't like/support Trump, I don't see Clinton or Sanders as any sort of "prize" and I can not support either of them, which means that I couldn't vote for them either. In this case, I can't vote for a candidate as a vote against Trump - if that makes any sense?

 

[momhappy]

mom, take a look at these pieces about Senator Sanders' tenure as the mayor of Burlington, VT; you'll see that he was not fiscally irresponsible as an executive & that even Tony Pomerleau, a wealthy Republican real estate developer who also was Burlington's police commissioner & possibly the biggest foe of Mayor Sanders at the outset, grew to respect and like him:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2015/12/23/sanders-unlikely-alliance-wealthy-developer/77425498/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/10/31/socialist-even-conservative-could-love-burlington-mayor-sanders-was-able-out-republican-republicans/SCmh2TLifXxXRPFKC8NMjO/story.html

Thank you for sharing the articles - I've actually already read the Burlington article (I've spent a fair amount of time in Burlington, VT) and I've done some research on Sanders, which is why I feel the way I do about him. My opinions of him are the same and I do not believe that he is the least bit fiscally responsible. Sure, some of his ideas sound wonderful, but his methods suck (for lack of a better term). Because the economy is interconnected, it is impossible to increase corporate taxes and say that not a single dime will come from working people (in other words, you can't just "tax the rich" because that burden will be carried by shareholders and workers in the economy).

 

[House Cat]

[quote="Jambalaya|

What about Obama? Are there allegations of shadiness surrounding him too?

You mean the worst post WWII President?.. Obama and J. Carter is fighting for that title...

Threw Israel/Netanyahu under the bus.
Let Putin poke his finger at his nose whenever he feel like it.
Fighting Mother Nature instead of ISIS.
Releasing dangerous terrorists from Gitmo.
Disastrous Iranian nuclear deal.
His Admin. cover up Benghazi to get re-elected in 2012.

The biggest spending Prez in history.
Median household income down since he became Prez.
Slow job growth only 162K new jobs in Jan.
More Americans on welfare than ever.
Obamacare Disaster. The not so Affordable Care Act.

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Obama's spending includes BOTH the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where do those multi trillion dollar wars belong? With Bush. If you put those wars where they belong, it is Bush who is the biggest spending "prez" in history.

We were in the worst economic state of our lifetime when he became president. Money had to be spent.

The affordable care act saves lives, period, end of story. Everyone who balks at this initiative needs to get this through their heads. My husband sells health insurance and when the affordable care act first rolled out, his company volunteered to handle the overflow of calls for enrollees. He would come home day after day with stories of people with preexisting conditions that were uninsurable before the affordable care act and were deadly but now they were able to get insurance and have a fighting chance at life. So many would cry tears of joy while on the phone with my husband. Understand that if you end the affordable care act, people will die.

More people on welfare, these people were all unemployed during the bush administration too, they just didn't have access to services.

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.

Even with job growth slowing down a bit, the Obama administration has created unprecedented job growth in this century with an average being 222,000 jobs per month.

Putin is not the easiest adversary. Believe me, none of the Republican candidates will handle him any better. They can't even handle a hot debate with the reporters on TV. Let's remember that while the Republican candidates were spoiled little college kids, Putin was a full on KGB agent. This isn't someone you will beat into submission. Yeah, Cruz telling Putin what to do! Ha! Or better, Rubio!!! Ha!! Thanks for the laugh!!!

The Bush administration is largely responsible for creating Isis. There is an interview on some nightly news show where Cheney said that he and his administration negotiated the total withdrawal from Iraq. He said he felt the operation was a success. This was in 2008. It was the popular opinion at the time that this war should end. Seeing that it was an election year, they pulled out the troops. That was a big mistake. A lot of us knew this...especially us with military ties!! Now we have Isis. We have been fighting Isis. But I am not sure if you are aware, the President does not declare war, Congress does. Obama said in his state of the union address that congress needed to back him in the war against Isis. This isn't to say that Obama can't start an "initiative," as that is what Iraq and Afghanistan were and what Isis is. But how would you have us fight Isis? Where are they? Should we send our people in blindly to die in order to make you feel better because now we are "doing something?" You may be OK to send our troops in like lambs to a slaughter but I am not. Almost all of my friends are military!!! My best friend has been deployed several times! No way! This needs to be a methodical fight, not another Vietnam.

Finally, it is George W. Bush who is the worst president since WWII. I know many hate to admit it, but he was so bad that his reputation ruined his brother's chance at becoming president. Jeb, the only candidate who sounded even remotely qualified to be president when he spoke. The Bush administration led us into two unnecessary wars, the largest debt we've ever had, and a recession that almost became the great depression.

This is what I know to be the facts of the last decade, not the product of some fox news driven Obama smear campaign.

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

I'd like to give my opinion on why I don't like Hillary. Her baggage is Bill Clinton. At the time I couldn't believe a President of the United States would lie under oath and he was accused of rape by a credible witness . He is a disgusting man to me, yes, far more than Trump. Sticking by such an awful man says a lot about her, IMO. I will not discount the fact she may love him, or like the status she has received by being his wife, always having had ambitions herself for the white house. Frankly, a person with principles and caring about the status of women, and witnessing how they are treated leaves me wondering if she really believes it herself.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good Pres, but to continue with the value system that these two have exhibited, doesn't compute in my brain. I agree her experience is the mot broad of the candidates, but I'm having a hard time with giving her my vote.

Bernie Sanders seems nice. Can't vote for a socialist, but he's been fine as a Senator.

Yes, this is a tough election. I'll wait and see, but Clinton is not a better choice than trump Usually I vote as a democrat, but this yr I may be like Momhappy. Perhaps Kaseich(Sp.)
Annette

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="House Cat|
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Obama's spending includes BOTH the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where do those multi trillion dollar wars belong? With Bush. If you put those wars where they belong, it is Bush who is the biggest spending "prez" in history.

We were in the worst economic state of our lifetime when he became president. Money had to be spent.

average being 222,000 jobs per month.

[/quote]
So you still gonna point your finger at Bush after 7.5 yrs?
Yes, our country was in a bad economic situation in 2008 so we the people hired Mr. Obama to fix it which he is unable to. Look what Reagan did after Carter screwed our country after 4 yrs in office... doing Reagan's final yr in office job growth was like 400K per month.

 

[House Cat]

[quote="House Cat|
____________________________________
Obama's spending includes BOTH the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where do those multi trillion dollar wars belong? With Bush. If you put those wars where they belong, it is Bush who is the biggest spending "prez" in history.

We were in the worst economic state of our lifetime when he became president. Money had to be spent.

average being 222,000 jobs per month.

So you still gonna point your finger at Bush after 7.5 yrs?
Yes, our country was in a bad economic situation in 2008 so we the people hired Mr. Obama to fix it which he is unable to. Look what Reagan did after Carter screwed our country after 4 yrs in office... doing Reagan's final yr in office job growth was like 400K per month.[/quote]


I am speaking truth. Obama has accomplished far more than the lies you are posting here. I simply disputed your "facts." I don't need to point a finger after 7.5 years. But I do need to use the Bush administration to complete facts. Interesting how you use that argument and then cling to a 30 year old fact about Reagan. You can't have it both ways DF.


btw, Reagan was so far from perfect...

 

[ksinger]

[quote="House Cat|
____________________________________
Obama's spending includes BOTH the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where do those multi trillion dollar wars belong? With Bush. If you put those wars where they belong, it is Bush who is the biggest spending "prez" in history.

We were in the worst economic state of our lifetime when he became president. Money had to be spent.

average being 222,000 jobs per month.

So you still gonna point your finger at Bush after 7.5 yrs?
Yes, our country was in a bad economic situation in 2008 so we the people hired Mr. Obama to fix it which he is unable to. Look what Reagan did after Carter screwed our country after 4 yrs in office... doing Reagan's final yr in office job growth was like 400K per month.

I am speaking truth. Obama has accomplished far more than the lies you are posting here. I simply disputed your "facts." I don't need to point a finger after 7.5 years. But I do need to use the Bush administration to complete facts. Interesting how you use that argument and then cling to a 30 year old fact about Reagan. You can't have it both ways DF.


btw, Reagan was so far from perfect...[/quote]

House Cat, sweetie, give it up. DF has been fact-proof for as long as I've been here.

 

[House Cat]

[quote="House Cat|
____________________________________
Obama's spending includes BOTH the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Where do those multi trillion dollar wars belong? With Bush. If you put those wars where they belong, it is Bush who is the biggest spending "prez" in history.

We were in the worst economic state of our lifetime when he became president. Money had to be spent.

average being 222,000 jobs per month.

So you still gonna point your finger at Bush after 7.5 yrs?
Yes, our country was in a bad economic situation in 2008 so we the people hired Mr. Obama to fix it which he is unable to. Look what Reagan did after Carter screwed our country after 4 yrs in office... doing Reagan's final yr in office job growth was like 400K per month.

I am speaking truth. Obama has accomplished far more than the lies you are posting here. I simply disputed your "facts." I don't need to point a finger after 7.5 years. But I do need to use the Bush administration to complete facts. Interesting how you use that argument and then cling to a 30 year old fact about Reagan. You can't have it both ways DF.


btw, Reagan was so far from perfect...

House Cat, sweetie, give it up. DF has been fact-proof for as long as I've been here.[/quote]
Ahh, ok. I was getting that banging my head against a brick wall feeling.

Back to talking about puppies and other such loveliness!!!

 

[AGBF]

House Cat, sweetie, give it up. DF has been fact-proof for as long as I've been here.

He alternates that with creative fact generating.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="House Cat|

btw, Reagan was so far from perfect...[/quote]


Reagan may not be perfect, but he fixed what Carter had broken during his 4 yrs as Prez. You are probably too young to remember J. Carter.

 

[Dancing Fire]

and don't even get me started about Sanders.....

Actually, as a Sanders supporter, I'd like to. What has he done that renders him unfit for office? And, remember, we had Bush -The-Younger for eight years. (Also known as Stupid Head.) Who got us into Iraq for no reason, caused its implosion, and created ISIS and thus the migration from Syria to Europe...

AGBF

Deb
That is one subject we can agree on...w/o the Iraq war there wouldn't be ISIS today.

 

[Dancing Fire]

[quote="House Cat|

I am speaking truth. Obama has accomplished far more than the lies you are posting here. I simply disputed your "facts." I don't need to point a finger after 7.5 years. But I do need to use the Bush administration to complete facts. Interesting how you use that argument and then cling to a 30 year old fact about Reagan. You can't have it both ways DF.


[/quote]

What accomplishments??.. I, DF can accomplish the same mess that Mr. Obama had accomplished in the past 7.5 yrs as Prez. What so hard about spending trillions of $$$ that we don't have?...

 

[Amber St. Clare]

Hi,

I'd like to give my opinion on why I don't like Hillary. Her baggage is Bill Clinton. At the time I couldn't believe a President of the United States would lie under oath and he was accused of rape by a credible witness . He is a disgusting man to me, yes, far more than Trump. Sticking by such an awful man says a lot about her, IMO. I will not discount the fact she may love him, or like the status she has received by being his wife, always having had ambitions herself for the white house. Frankly, a person with principles and caring about the status of women, and witnessing how they are treated leaves me wondering if she really believes it herself.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good Pres, but to continue with the value system that these two have exhibited, doesn't compute in my brain. I agree her experience is the mot broad of the candidates, but I'm having a hard time with giving her my vote.

Bernie Sanders seems nice. Can't vote for a socialist, but he's been fine as a Senator.

Yes, this is a tough election. I'll wait and see, but Clinton is not a better choice than trump Usually I vote as a democrat, but this yr I may be like Momhappy. Perhaps Kaseich(Sp.)
Annette

I want to take this whole post to a hot sheet motel and spend an illicit week-end with it. Clinton raped Juanita Brodderick, I firmly believe. He should have gone to jail.

My main problem with Hillary is her unwavering, unceasing support of the rapist and the zeal with which she {and her minions} slimed every woman who had the extremely bad taste to boink her pig of a husband. Why can't voters see that? Character, to me as a voter, is EVERYTHING. And sadly Bill and Hill seem to lack that trait. Not to mention Trump ho never met a woman he won't insult if she doesn't meet his attractiveness scale.

Stick a fork in us. As a nation, we are done.

 

[House Cat]

Hi,

I'd like to give my opinion on why I don't like Hillary. Her baggage is Bill Clinton. At the time I couldn't believe a President of the United States would lie under oath and he was accused of rape by a credible witness . He is a disgusting man to me, yes, far more than Trump. Sticking by such an awful man says a lot about her, IMO. I will not discount the fact she may love him, or like the status she has received by being his wife, always having had ambitions herself for the white house. Frankly, a person with principles and caring about the status of women, and witnessing how they are treated leaves me wondering if she really believes it herself.

Bill Clinton was a pretty good Pres, but to continue with the value system that these two have exhibited, doesn't compute in my brain. I agree her experience is the mot broad of the candidates, but I'm having a hard time with giving her my vote.

Bernie Sanders seems nice. Can't vote for a socialist, but he's been fine as a Senator.

Yes, this is a tough election. I'll wait and see, but Clinton is not a better choice than trump Usually I vote as a democrat, but this yr I may be like Momhappy. Perhaps Kaseich(Sp.)
Annette

I want to take this whole post to a hot sheet motel and spend an illicit week-end with it. Clinton raped Juanita Brodderick, I firmly believe. He should have gone to jail.

My main problem with Hillary is her unwavering, unceasing support of the rapist and the zeal with which she {and her minions} slimed every woman who had the extremely bad taste to boink her pig of a husband. Why can't voters see that? Character, to me as a voter, is EVERYTHING. And sadly Bill and Hill seem to lack that trait. Not to mention Trump ho never met a woman he won't insult if she doesn't meet his attractiveness scale.

Stick a fork in us. As a nation, we are done.

How did I miss this rape thing? Was it big in the news? Was I stupidly in my twenties and it passed me by?

Was it downplayed as she was trying to obtain fame by accusing Bill? I know I can google, but I would like to hear
Opinions too.


Rape is a big issue to me. I am a survivor.

 

[Amber St. Clare]

I suggest, respectfully, that you use Google. There you can see how various news outlets reported the situation. I would feel funny quoting any particular one. But it's out there.

I remember reading, and I don't remember where, one of the NY Papers, someone actually saying "If he raped her, too bad. He's keeping abortion legal". I saved that piece of paper for a while but then discarded it once the pig was out office.. But I totally believe her story. She had no positives coming out and I venture to say her life hasn't been a bowl of ice cream since them.

eta: During the impeachment procedures I called the White House. His supporters kept saying he was receiving overwhelming support from the nation. So I called to make my opinion known, and come to learn that when you called the WH you got the following message: "The president appreciates your support. Thank you for calling". CLICK. So ANY call going in on that line/number was considered a call of support/approval.

H'es a pig rapist and she's an enabler.