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Chelsea Palmer

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Hello and thank you for reading my post. I am too superstitious to post the IGI grading report because I have been searching for ages now for the perfect lab grown diamond and I think I found it. For a fabulous price: 2.19 CARAT - ROUND CUT LAB GROWN DIAMOND F Color | VVS2 Clarity | Ideal Cut.
StoneAlgo gave it a cut score of 9.3 with zero concerns. I’m attaching the specs. It’s a CVD type IIa (I don’t really know how important that is.). I’ve attached a photo of the specs. Is this diamond too good to be true? It’s a hearts and arrows. Thank you.IMG_9986.jpeg
 
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This will be moved to the Lab side of the forum.

But until then, the overall specs look fine. HOWEVER, you need a video. Do you have one to share with us? Or if you share the certificate, someone might be able to find it.

Angles don't tell the whole story. You have to look for all kinds of defects. But good angles are a good start.
 
Not enough info to know "if this diamond is too good to be true". Have moved to lab forum and post pictures or links to videos so
those who are familiar with lab issues can have a look.
 
I don’t know how to share the video without the link, and I’m so afraid someone else is going to grab it! Although the jeweler from whom I’m getting it said the supplier he deals with has this stone! He has this stone! Is my excitement showing? And the supplier is sending it to my jeweler who will get it to me. So I guess I don’t need to be afraid to post the video? I wish I could figure out how to post just the video.
 
Here is a photo.
 
Its cvd so need the spin video to see crystal defects and answer your question.
 
Karl_K said:
Its cvd so need the spin video to see crystal defects and answer your question.
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Am I in the right forum? Because if I’m supposed to move this to the lab forum, I certainly won’t know how to do that. Can you elaborate please on what you mean about crystal defects? Specifically because it’s CVD?
 
CVD diamonds that are grown too quickly can have visible strain which reduces transparency. Unfortunately that isn't on the grading report -- my understanding is that it's because the defects are smaller than what can be seen at 10x magnification.

Here's an article about lab diamond material quality in general: https://www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/lab-grown-diamonds-are-not-equal/

And a recent post here about transparency specifically: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/milky-diamonds-–-what-causes-transparency-issues-and-how-to-identify-them.286161/

To move this to the lab diamonds subforum, hit "report concern" under your initial post and say this needs to be moved to the lab forum. The admins will do it when they get the chance, you can't move your own post.
 
Dear freddyboston, you are saying this diamond is grainy and hazy, correct? Would that be visible to the naked eye? I do see what appears to be a defect at around 1 o’clock. Does what you said mean this dome will NOT be beautiful? Thank you
 
newtojewels said:
CVD diamonds that are grown too quickly can have visible strain which reduces transparency. Unfortunately that isn't on the grading report -- my understanding is that it's because the defects are smaller than what can be seen at 10x magnification.

Here's an article about lab diamond material quality in general: https://www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/lab-grown-diamonds-are-not-equal/

And a recent post here about transparency specifically: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/milky-diamonds-–-what-causes-transparency-issues-and-how-to-identify-them.286161/

To move this to the lab diamonds subforum, hit "report concern" under your initial post and say this needs to be moved to the lab forum. The admins will do it when they get the chance, you can't move your own post.
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Thank you but I don’t understand. You said CVD diamonds grown too fast can have visible strain, but then you said it’s not on grading reports because the defects are smaller than what can be seen at 10x magnification. So is the strain visible ONLY at 10 X modification? Or is it visible to the naked eye?
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Thank you but I don’t understand. You said CVD diamonds grown too fast can have visible strain, but then you said it’s not on grading reports because the defects are smaller than what can be seen at 10x magnification. So is the strain visible ONLY at 10 X modification? Or is it visible to the naked eye?
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It's visible to the naked eye as haze, not as specific flaws.
 
If i were buying an LGD I'd insist it be pretty perfect, bc they are so common and relatively cheap. So i wouldn't buy anything with haze
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Dear freddyboston, you are saying this diamond is grainy and hazy, correct? Would that be visible to the naked eye? I do see what appears to be a defect at around 1 o’clock. Does what you said mean this dome will NOT be beautiful? Thank you
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It will look hazy to the naked eye (compared to better material).
 
And that is definitive based on your analysis of the photo I sent? This isn’t a possibility but, rather, a fact? This stone will have visible-to-the-eye haze?
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
And that is definitive based on your analysis of the photo I sent? This isn’t a possibility but, rather, a fact? This stone will have visible-to-the-eye haze?
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I didn't see any photos you posted bc i don't think they worked. Did freddy find your stone? If yes, i wouldn't buy it. But I can't say with 100% certainty thay you would see haze. I can only give my opinion that thre are better LGDs out there and there's 0 reason to settle
 
lovedogs said:
I didn't see any photos you posted bc i don't think they worked. Did freddy find your stone? If yes, i wouldn't buy it. But I can't say with 100% certainty thay you would see haze. I can only give my opinion that thre are better LGDs out there and there's 0 reason to settle
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My apologies. Giving this another goIMG_9994.jpegIMG_9987.jpeg
 
Oh the irony! I was avoiding posting the video I already have of this diamond because I didn’t want someone else to try to purchase it. OK, well now that it’s out there, this diamond will have visual defects, to keep it plain and simple, yes? Is “grainy and hazy” the reason why the vertical arrows don’t look as pronounced/dark as the horizontal arrows? And in the event I do not purchase this diamond and resume my search all over again, I would be able to see visual defects (strain, striation) myself by looking at a video of the diamond? I can’t thank you enough for all your help.
 
exactly - it's a CVD with graining issues...under the lights it looks a bit hazy - one thing i noticed in the spin video that's almost "overly bright" and missing some of the optical depth, contrast, flashes, sparkle and fire you'd expect to see.... As for the vert arrow contrast v horizonal you might also have less than perfect cut precision.....
 
Freddyboston, you are a fount of information. So even though the IGI grading report shows this is a hearts and arrows diamond, it could still be poorly cut precision-wise? Where would that be reflected on the grading report?
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Freddyboston, you are a fount of information. So even though the IGI grading report shows this is a hearts and arrows diamond, it could still be poorly cut precision-wise? Where would that be reflected on the grading report?
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slightly off cut execution/precision isn't noted on the reports... you have to use your Eyes, ASET, Ideal-Scope to determine....
 
Chelsea Palmer diamond crystal quality growth defects are ignored by the grading labs because they are throwing the producers/growers a bone...same reason why GIA's "Excellent" cut grade is rather broad and encompassing of PA/CA/TW combos that would produce visibly increased light leakages to some degree or another when there's really no other reason to other than to allow cutters to make the most out of their profits by cutting for weight at the sacrifice of beauty.

I agree with everyone that has provided feedback: the diamond appears to have quite a bit of haziness, and it is almost certainly a result of poor CVD grown diamond rough that the finished diamond was cut and polished from.

Here is a wonderful article written by Bryan at Whiteflash that goes into some detail:
Texas Leaguer

Thread 'Milky Diamonds – What Causes Transparency Issues and How to Identify Them'

We tend to think of diamond as a totally transparent material but that is not always the case. Sometimes diamonds are hazy and often described as looking “milky”. Diamonds can appear milky for a number of reasons. Most often the cause is related to the presence of clarity characteristics such as microscopic inclusions, but can also be the result of defects at the atomic level in the carbon lattice. Strong fluorescence, particularly in combination with light scattering inclusions, can also cause a loss of transparency resulting in the diamond having a hazy or milky appearance.

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Thank you all, and I’m quite disappointed as I really thought I found the perfect (for me) diamond. Is it possible this diamond will NOT appear hazy to the naked eye? Or is there NO chance this diamond will be sparkling? Because the only person sicker than I am of searching LGDs is my hubby of HEARING about my search for LGDs.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Thank you all, and I’m quite disappointed as I really thought I found the perfect (for me) diamond. Is it possible this diamond will NOT appear hazy to the naked eye? Or is there NO chance this diamond will be sparkling? Because the only person sicker than I am of searching LGDs is my hubby of HEARING about my search for LGDs.
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We are a virtual army of diamond enthusiasts, prosumers, and geeks at your disposal...let us know the details of which sellers you're looking at, absolute max budget cap for the loose diamond, min-max carat weight range, clarity grades, and color grades - we'll go to work to see what we can find for you to look at and place on your short list.
 
That is very kind of you and I do appreciate that. I can’t even remember how I found him now, but I’ve been working with Dan Moran at Concierge Diamonds who could not be more helpful. And because he’s been so helpful, when I found this stone, I’ve been asking about, I went to him to see if he could get it, as opposed to purchasing it from another vendor. And it seems Dan’s supplier had the stone, and it’s being shipped to Dan, who will examine it for all the flaws that the lovely and helpful Pricescope community has brought to my attention. I trust him in that he will tell me if in fact, this diamond does not look beautiful to the naked eye. I also trust that he would not tell me the diamond is NOT beautiful, for the sole purpose of selling me something at a higher cost. So for now, Dan is my man, because I appreciate all the guidance he’s giving me over the past several weeks and I’d like to give my business to him, if possible. So maybe what I want doesn’t exist in my budget, because right now my maximum budget is $1200. I would not want to go lower than a G color, and I would want all the angles and depth percentages to be spot-on. I was hoping for something in the 2-carat IMG_9914.pngrange. Thank you again to all of you who have taken the time to help me.
 
Oh dear, I think my insert was inserted into the middle of my reply. Hopefully everything made sense.
 
Chelsea Palmer you have plenty of options to pick from...clean HPHT, 2+ carats, VS2+ clarity, G+ color, and finding a diamond that falls within true ideal proportions and angles with high cut precision and optical performance is not going to be a problem.
Pick out 5 or more options and let us know which...we'll be happy to offer an assessment and advice about them:
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Side note, the diamond that you were originally asking about was listed at DreamStone for $904, which likely means that LooseGrownDiamond had it listed for a couple or few hundred dollars less than that...

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