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Era gem is overprice - if you want a small diamond we’ve got small diamonds for you elsewhere.

The other two are not good diamonds. I would pass on those.
 
Niel said:
Era gem is overprice - if you want a small diamond we’ve got small diamonds for you elsewhere.

The other two are not good diamonds. I would pass on those.
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The era gem has the design I like. But I want as close to 2 ct as possible. That’s why the idea of a sytnthetic stone in an early 20th century ring works so well imo. Get the ring for less than $500 - $700, then spend $5000 on a diamond. Originally I wanted a squarish diamond. Like asscher or radiant. But it seems like most early 20th century rings have round diamonds.

As far as something custom. I just don’t know how to go about that. I don’t know what words to use. And I don’t what I like or dislike until I see it.
 
snaphappy said:
The era gem has the design I like. But I want as close to 2 ct as possible. That’s why the idea of a sytnthetic stone in an early 20th century ring works so well imo. Get the ring for less than $500 - $700, then spend $5000 on a diamond. Originally I wanted a squarish diamond. Like asscher or radiant. But it seems like most early 20th century rings have round diamonds.

As far as something custom. I just don’t know how to go about that. I don’t know what words to use. And I don’t what I like or dislike until I see it.
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The problem with just swapping out a stone for another in the designs you like is that often the prongs or bezel are mangled and the result is a ring that looks worse than before you replaced the stone.
Ideally yes we find one that ticks all your boxes-
But honestly it’s very easy to get a custom ring done. You find examples of rings you like and present them to a jeweler.
With gold prices what they are and how heavy your ring will be- I don’t really suggest making the whole thing from scratch- but just keep in the back of your head if you see the perfect ring in a sort of bland chunky setting- they can almost always be engraved.
 
Niel said:
do we hate a three stone?
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Art Deco French 2.05 CTW Old Mine Diamond Platinum Vintage Three Stone Band Ring | eBay

Based in Pennsylvania, our team travels daily worldwide in search of the finest antique pieces. Our inventory consists of antique jewelry from the Edwardian, Victorian, Art Nouveau, and Art Deco periods.
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Some of them have awesome engraving, but I want a single stone!!

You guys are too nice.

I’m gonna look up this custom ring guy next, see how that goes
 
I looked at David Klass on instagram. I didn't see much filigree or engraving? Should I reach out to him anyway?

I googled custom filigree rings and found Hugo Kohl. They could probably do what I want for around $1500. Not sure how their filigree compares to early 20th century, but maybe it won't matter once I'm distracted by a big ol diamond
 
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Vintage Belais 18K White Gold Estate Diamond Ring

Vintage Belais 18K White Gold Estate Diamond Ring The ring is set with one old European cut diamond weighing approx. 1.20cts., I/I1 Two triangular cut synthetic sapphires Size 6
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The stone is a tad included but
 
Niel said:
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Vintage Belais 18K White Gold Estate Diamond Ring

Vintage Belais 18K White Gold Estate Diamond Ring The ring is set with one old European cut diamond weighing approx. 1.20cts., I/I1 Two triangular cut synthetic sapphires Size 6
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The stone is a tad included but
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This is compelling. Is there relevance to the Belais claim? Does it increase value? I don’t think this ring is worth more than $4000?



But this ring almost validates my original ring. Look at them together. Do we still think the ring with the yellow sapphire is a 1950’s reproduction after seeing this? Hmmm

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In reluctant to tell you to do anything with the original ring you posted as I do think trying to replace the stone has a high likelihood of f’ing up the setting.
Maybe someone here can show you an example of a jeweler who’s replaced one of those picture box rings successfully.
And I think both of the rings are from the same era which is probably more mid century than turn of the century.

Markets are volatile now so I mean- anybody can lowball. However the price of scrapping that diamond would almost certainly be better for that jeweler than selling it to you for 5k.
 
Niel said:
In reluctant to tell you to do anything with the original ring you posted as I do think trying to replace the stone has a high likelihood of f’ing up the setting.
Maybe someone here can show you an example of a jeweler who’s replaced one of those picture box rings successfully.
And I think both of the rings are from the same era which is probably more mid century than turn of the century.

Markets are volatile now so I mean- anybody can lowball. However the price of scrapping that diamond would almost certainly be better for that jeweler than selling it to you for 5k.
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Ok I'll trust you. Makes sense!

I thought the 1.5 carat ring had sapphires on the side. Looking at it this morning, I think it's just engraving. Still a nice ring! So if I can get the 1.5 carat ring for $6k that's a good price?
 
I used google image search and found this M. So yellow. Nice size though:

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Estate Sapphire and Diamond Ring - Harry Merrill & Son

Original estate ring is set with a center 1.65 carat Old Mine diamond, flanked by bezel set two trillion cut sapphires in 18k white gold. The center diamond is graded as mounted to be M Color and VS1 Clarity. This is a one of a kind original ring and is subject to prior sale. This ring is...
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They sent me a video, there’s no engraving around the bezel. And M is SO yellow. I love the yellow in my wife’s K. But maybe M is too yellow.

 
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snaphappy said:
This is compelling. Is there relevance to the Belais claim? Does it increase value? I don’t think this ring is worth more than $4000?



But this ring almost validates my original ring. Look at them together. Do we still think the ring with the yellow sapphire is a 1950’s reproduction after seeing this? Hmmm

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You could replace that sapphire easily with a good high skill jeweler. Belais in that style only matters to Belais fans. That style is not sought after because it’s heavy, appeals to those who want that.

I REALLY like the ring Niel shared with the wheat sheaf engraving (there are no additional stones as far as I can see). I think it would be 1930s, with that type of engraving. The M you found I think is slightly later mabe 1940s, the diamond is yellow but many people like that, you might too. Stone looks lively. I really like that one too.

For a ring you really like, I’d make an offer but be prepared to pay full price. $1,000 would be almost what you’d pay for “retro-fitting” the Belais ring with the sapphire, eg. engraving plus re-setting/pronging.
 
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Wow. I love it. Is $5k a price they’d accept? Is it worth $6k? I really like the gems on the side. Sapphire slivers? We think it’s definitely pre 1935?
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1.5 carat OEC would be maybe $5,000 on its own depending on color/clarity. Solid heavy 18k gold setting, at least $1000. Engraving, fairly costly.
 
snaphappy said:
I used google image search and found this M. So yellow. Nice size though:

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Estate Sapphire and Diamond Ring - Harry Merrill & Son

Original estate ring is set with a center 1.65 carat Old Mine diamond, flanked by bezel set two trillion cut sapphires in 18k white gold. The center diamond is graded as mounted to be M Color and VS1 Clarity. This is a one of a kind original ring and is subject to prior sale. This ring is...
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They sent me a video, there’s no engraving around the bezel. And M is SO yellow. I love the yellow in my wife’s K. But maybe M is too yellow.

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I looked at the video. The center of this diamond has fisheye (dead space). I’m usually pretty tolerant of antique cuts but I think you could get a better cut. Also, possibly not an M. Possible O-P.
 
I just went to a jewelry store and anything under 1.5ct is just too small. 1.5ct is a suitable size for my hand. But 2ct actually has some wow factor. When I'm dead, a 2ct will be valued by family - whether they want to keep it, repurpose it, or sell it.

Also modern diamonds in modern jewelry stores seem so lifeless. If I was a kid shopping in one of those stores I'd probably get a lab grown. Modern jewlery stores aren't really selling "rings." They're selling solitaire diamonds on top of a circle of gold. But to each their own
 
A well cut 1.5 ct oec in as heavy a setting at you want - especially considering you do not want a mid range color- yes, 6k should be jumped on.
 
What would REALLY open things up would be considering a yellow gold.

We’re not giving up. All my diamonds have been within your budget. It is possible. Just not readily available.
 
This might have already been posted.

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Art Deco Filigree Platinum 1.25 Old European Cut Diamond & Sapphire Ring Sz 8 | eBay

Up for sale is a beautiful Art Deco platinum, sapphire, & diamond ring. Don't miss out on this beautiful Art Deco diamond & sapphire ring. This would make a great addition to your jewelry collection.
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There are bubbles in the metal, indicating an error in the casting, but it’s worth checking out

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Vintage Art Deco Large Diamond and Sapphire Ring, Unisex! Size 9.5 (#I18) | eBay

You don't see these come along very often! Take a look at this gorgeous vintage diamond ring that could be worn by either a man or a woman! With a LARGE center diamond and four sapphires on the band, this ring is stunning! Size 9.5 5.6 dwt
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I’ve requested video for both of these, but frankly most of my inquiries are ignored. Let’s see if they get back to me:

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I also inquired with Ivy & Rose to get a ballpark number for a custom band
 
Googling Belais. I'm a fan! This is sold but I'm smitten with the setting:

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Antique Right Hand Ring Art Deco Belais Brothers 1.50 Round Cut Red Sp

This original Art Deco right-hand ring is crafted by the renowned Art Deco designer The Belais Brothers. No detail was spared in the craftsmanship of this ring. It features a crisp hand engraved chevron and orange blossom pattern adorning each side. At its center is a fiery bright red round...
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5ct, too big, but great setting:

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BELAIS ANTIQUE 10K WHITE GOLD RING with FINE NATURAL GREEN TOURMALINE,ART DECO | eBay

(BELAIS ) ANTIQUE 10K WHITE GOLD RING withFINE. BELAIS " ) . WEIGHT 5.1 Gr. NATURAL GREEN TOURMALINE, ART DECO, circa 1920's. FINEST byQUALITY ( color "sequoia ") andCONDITION " original cut " 11 mm x 8 mm ( estim.
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Diamond too small, but again great setting:

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ANTIQUE BELAIS 18K 750 SOLID GOLD VS2 DIAMOND BLUE SAPPHIRE RING 7.2 GR SZ 7.25 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for ANTIQUE BELAIS 18K 750 SOLID GOLD VS2 DIAMOND BLUE SAPPHIRE RING 7.2 GR SZ 7.25 at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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LightBright said:
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Men's 1.80ct Diamond GIA 18k White Gold Ring with Lab-Created Sapphires (#J5768) | eBay

GIA-1.80ct Brilliant Cut Diamond 18K Ring j5768. The diamond is set with eight new prongs. The mounting is beautifully hand engraved. There are two French-cut synthetic blue lab-created sapphire accents (both are chipped).
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I requested a video of that one yesterday. Hopefully they'll get back to me tomorrow. The diamond is too high quality. So even if I like the ring they probably won't come down to $5k or $6k
 
snaphappy said:
I requested a video of that one yesterday. Hopefully they'll get back to me tomorrow. The diamond is too high quality. So even if I like the ring they probably won't come down to $5k or $6k
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That’s an I1. So maybe they will.
 
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The I1 ring I posted is 1.80 carats, I1, but worth considering If you can talk them down. IMO, $9k is priced too high right now.

I still like Niels ring more
 
snaphappy said:
Googling Belais. I'm a fan!

Diamond too small, but again great setting:

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ANTIQUE BELAIS 18K 750 SOLID GOLD VS2 DIAMOND BLUE SAPPHIRE RING 7.2 GR SZ 7.25 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for ANTIQUE BELAIS 18K 750 SOLID GOLD VS2 DIAMOND BLUE SAPPHIRE RING 7.2 GR SZ 7.25 at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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This one looks fantastic to me. Only if it’s returnable, I strongly suggest you try it on and consider a smaller but lively stone. Love this stone, crown height color faceting. The setting is gorgeous. Only if you Secure the ability to return though.
 
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