Mixing lab and natural diamonds

[Dr_Diesel]

Please don't tell me that. I am not interested in have lab stones in my jewelry. So I guess no melee for me.

I didn’t mean to alarm you, and as I mentioned in my post just now, those studies I alluded to were in reference to colorless diamonds.

It may be different for colored diamonds

Pink diamonds may be scarce enough that they’re better able to track the sourcing, but I cannot say for sure.

 

[Lookinagain]

I didn’t mean to alarm you, and as I mentioned in my post just now, those studies I alluded to were in reference to colorless diamonds.

It may be different for colored diamonds

I don't buy colored diamonds, if you mean, pink, yellow, blue. So yes, I'm alarmed.

 

[Dr_Diesel]

I don't buy colored diamonds, if you mean, pink, yellow, blue. So yes, I'm alarmed.

Oh, I thought we were talking about pink melee for @Mjay ’s setting.

But yeah, there’s a lot of money to me made by rough sellers when the “cut” their product.

 

[Lookinagain]

Oh, I thought we were talking about pink melee for @Mjay ’s setting.

But yeah, there’s a lot of money to me made by rough sellers when the “cut” their product.

Well, we were. But you said that colorless melee is mixed with lab, so that started me on thinking about that.

 

[0-0-0]

If you want to be reasonably certain that you are getting natural colorless melee, just ask/check for fluorescence. I don’t think colorless lab diamonds come with fluorescence yet.

 

[Lookinagain]

If you want to be reasonably certain that you are getting natural colorless melee, just ask/check for fluorescence. I don’t think colorless lab diamonds come with fluorescence yet.

good idea. I know that melee isn't all that pricey but it would really bother me to think I was getting all natural/mined diamonds and ended up with some lab stones. Just a mind clean thing for me that I can't get past.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I'd suggest you not mix the two types of diamonds, you're not in that spot with your mindset and you may never be happy with the finished product.

I'm in the other diamond realm, I don't want anymore earth diamonds and am only interested in those created by the ingenuity of man. Neither one of us need compromise, there are plenty for both choices.

 

[Mjay]

Pink Tourmaline or Spinel instead of Sapphire?

DK

I’m warming up to the possibility of spinel. This is a double halo and it would just be the outermost halo.

 

[Mjay]

When it comes to melee, nowadays I almost always opt for LGD. One reason is for the cost. The other reason is that in large sample analyses, they find that a lot of LGD gets mixed into parcels of otherwise natural diamonds.

When it comes to these small stones, unless you’re ready to get each one individually certified, there’s at least a fair chance that you’re gonna wind up with a mix of LGD and natural stones anyway.

So this is a very valid point. It sucks that this is something that we have to worry about but this is truly the reality now that lab growns have infiltrated the market.

 

[AntiqueFreak]

I have a natural pink diamond hidden halo on a moissanite ring, so obviously it doesn’t bug me! But it sounds like it wouldn’t be “mind clean” to you.

 

[NY_Resonant]

So this is a very valid point. It sucks that this is something that we have to worry about but this is truly the reality now that lab growns have infiltrated the market.

That’s why I bought Grunberger Diamond melee. Guaranteed natural, H&A, ideal cuts.

 

[Dr_Diesel]

That’s why I bought Grunberger Diamond melee. Guaranteed natural, H&A, ideal cuts.

This is a great resource! Thank you for sharing it!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

If you want to be reasonably certain that you are getting natural colorless melee, just ask/check for fluorescence. I don’t think colorless lab diamonds come with fluorescence yet.

The fakes usually fluoresce brigh orange reddish where as, you are correct, the natural almost always fluoresce blue.

 

[Rockdiamond]

The fakes usually fluoresce brigh orange reddish

In my experience only lab diamonds treated to become pink have the weird orange fluorescence. Have you seen it in colorless???

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

The fakes usually fluoresce brigh orange reddish where as, you are correct, the natural almost always fluoresce blue.

Are the "fakes" moissanite and czs?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Are the "fakes" moissanite and czs?

No, man made diamonds masquerading as natural.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

In my experience only lab diamonds treated to become pink have the weird orange fluorescence. Have you seen it in colorless???

Yes David, as the untreated look orange pink.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

No, man made diamonds masquerading as natural.

Or perhaps earth stones masquerading as those created by the ingenuity of man.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Or perhaps earth stones masquerading as those created by the ingenuity of man.

It is interesting that until investors plowed money into synthetics diamonds (buy one at half the price of a real diamond) diamonds were natural and man made was synthetic.
Today the marketing worked and "diamonds" are earth, earth mine or mined diamonds (mining is bad, right?).
And the USA decided that synthetic (the accurate and always applied gemological and gemmological term) decided that synthetic was to be outlawed. The fact USA has no commercial diamond mines. At the time USA thought it was going to be the largest producer of synthetic gem diamonds. Fail!
So when you use those terms, please consider the marketing dollars that support your choice of words Sunrise

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

It is interesting that until investors plowed money into synthetics diamonds (buy one at half the price of a real diamond) diamonds were natural and man made was synthetic.
Today the marketing worked and "diamonds" are earth, earth mine or mined diamonds (mining is bad, right?).
And the USA decided that synthetic (the accurate and always applied gemological and gemmological term) decided that synthetic was to be outlawed. The fact USA has no commercial diamond mines. At the time USA thought it was going to be the largest producer of synthetic gem diamonds. Fail!
So when you use those terms, please consider the marketing dollars that support your choice of words Sunrise

Looking at the over all picture of diamonds, few of us are engaged or financially involved in the production of or unearthing of diamonds. For years the public was hoodwinked into the belief of the scarcity of diamonds which many declare was the work of DeBeer's efforts and how valuable they were.

I have pictures of the huge diamond mines that have scarred the earth and, TBH, if I had seen those sites earlier in my life, I don't believe I would have earth diamonds in my possession. I'm not sure that the process to create man-made diamonds is any easier on the face of the earth, I don't have the details. I'm not a tree hugger per say, but the huge mines damage is appalling. (Internet search of the largest diamond mines in the world...)

Am I mistaken in believing "marketing dollars" are being made on both types of diamonds and the USA is simply streamlining the purchasing of all diamonds. Lab grown and earth grown is still observed in marketing and that hasn't changed.

I have read quite a number of posts and there are those who can only appreciate earth diamonds and the younger generation and a few of us older members who believe a diamond is a diamond no matter the process. I respect those perspectives but I think "fake" means a look-a-like stone such as moissanite or CZ's. Whether earth or man-made diamonds, both have been determined to be diamonds.

It's an interesting conversation, Garry. I have earth diamonds in my possession but I don't think any less of man-made diamonds that others own. I think there is opportunity in this world for many choices.