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chrono said:
... Also, BE diffusion has been around a very very long time, only that the process has improved greatly as time goes by ...
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Corundum diffused with beryllium first appeared in the market in Thailand in 2001. Prior to that various surface diffusion treatments had been detected (diffusing blue sapphire with titanium, for example), but the use of beryllium as a coloring agent was first seen in 2001.
 
Your ring is beautiful! Congratulations!
 
stat update: haven't seen the report yet, but g.i.a. just called and told me that it's a natural orange sapphire, with no indications of heat, from east africa. i am delighted! anyone have an idea of the value of a 2 carat unheated orange sapphire? well, the whole ring is certainly worth at least $2000, and it's one of a kind and i totally love it, so that's what matters!
 
A brownish orange sapphire, even though unheated isn’t worth a lot but if the setting is platinum, then you’ve paid a fair price for the set.
 
melda said:
anyone have an idea of the value of a 2 carat unheated orange sapphire?
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It can vary based on the strength of saturation. For a proper insurance replacement estimate, I would send it, with the GIA cert, to a competant appraiser like Richard Sheerwood.
 
Melda - I agree with Chrono that the sapphire has definite brown tones (in your piccies and the ones in the Ebay listing). Whether it's orange or brownish/orange, it's still not worth what a Pad would be BUT it's great to have a natural unheated sapphire and you love it so that's all that matters!

This is very similar in colour to yours don't you think? http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.co ... neid=U2837
 
Congrats!! Lovely stone, and I am so glad to hear that its untreated!
 
It's a lovely ring - enjoy it!

To add to a comment above, I do have a synethic CZ set in a real diamond / white gold setting. This is my travel ring.
 
From ebay listing: "Padparadscha is the rarest and most valuable of all gemstones. This one is a fine example of the rarest color as well. "

You were smart to get this certified, because it is for sure not a padparadscha. But it's great that the sapphire is unheated, and if you enjoy it, then yes you paid a fair price.

I'm still in a year long pad search myself, so I know that there's no such thing as a 2ct unheated, perfectly colored pad in an 18k and diamond setting that's selling for $2,000. And if there is, please tell me where it is so I can buy it :cheeky:
 
We've had many, many threads going over the fact that its hard to classify what is, and isn't a pad. It makes me so sad to hear posters point out modifiers in a SMTR type thread. The OP did ask for opinions, but I often see posters posting their opinions on stones and their value based on modifiers, even when opinions aren't asked for.

Since we don't really "know" what a pad is, and haven't seen the OP's stone in person, and haven't heard back further from its lab report to see how it will be classified in terms of color, I find it rude to purposefully fight over the semantics of this stone when the owner is very happy with it, because it will be a sentimental piece of jewelery for her, and it has already been bought. This is why I most likely won't be posting my e-ring on CS, and why I've cut down posting on the stones and settings that I have purchased. Yes, PS'ers are free to hold whatever opinions they may, and free to be particular about cut, shape, color, modifiers. But, reading threads like this one, colored-stones/yay-i-won-a-spinel-t144536.html , and many others, make me wonder where our tact has gone.
 
Melda, your ring is very pretty! I love the split shank, cool color of the sapphire, and just how unique your e-ring is. Congrats on your engagement!

IndyLady, I hope you post pictures of your e-ring on CS! I don't take offense to people posting information about cuts, color, modifiers, etc. I find it very informative and I don't think Melda took offense to anyone's post (at least I hope not), in fact I liked that she loves her e-ring so much and was kind enough to post more information about her lovely stone. I hope you keep posting more, I really enjoy reading what you have to say.

Sorry for the small threadjack, Melda. Again, your ring is beautiful and I hope you enjoy it for many years to come. :))
 
lovingdiamonds: yes, parts of my sapphire do look like your posting, but from other angles, mine definitely looks more red/pink. it's been almost impossible to find one that looks the same - i think i saw one on this forum somewhere that was described as "orange/ginger," but i haven't been able to find it since.

indylady: i appreciate your post. if a "true pad" is supposed to look like the harry winston stone posted earlier, then i don't want one! padparadscha_2.jpg is one of my favorite "pad" images, and lord knows if i posted that, i'd be ripped to shreds, so i knew what i was getting myself into. but, as i said, i think the ring is stunning and uniquely beautiful, and while it may not be in everyone's taste, neither am i, so there you go. :)
 
Melda, congratulations on the preliminary report from GIA, that has to be a huge relief. I hope that means you can now relax and enjoy the ring you love so much!

So far as what a real padparadscha is, I'm old enough to remember that what was being termed a pad 40 years ago, is not exactly what is admired by many people now, so I wouldn't get too hung up on that as long as you love the stone and paid a price for it that you consider reasonable.
 
Melda,
Although you posted your ring for people to love and admire, often on Pricescope, padparadscha threads raise a red flag. Many of us like to warn against diffused or synthetic stones which are incredibly abundant with this gem. Also, as Indylady indicated, the semantics of what is a padparadcha and what isn't, keeps changing in the trade. Since you paid a signficant amount, $2K, it is important to make sure it is a natural stone, which you did, and if you love it, that's what counts the most. As for the marketing name of padparadscha, don't buy a gem based on a marketing name, but because you love it, and make sure the price paid is fair, and you know what you are getting. Since you did ask it's worth, you are now armed with the GIA report and a competent appraiser who is very familiar with padparadschas and fancy sapphires in general, should be able to provide an insurance replacement value. Don't just go anywhere because often you will get a very over inflated or under inflated value.

I hope you enjoy your ring for many years to come. :))
 
The most important thing is that you love the ring and nothing else really matter. I think the setting is very well made and I am a bit of a setting snob. It's a forum and people will always give opinions be it requested or not. I actually like the feedback so I can learn from it and do the right thing. I know I purchased a lot of duds in the past but my purchases have greatly improved since joining this forum. I have also purchased items that everyone loves but I don't ... so I guess it goes both ways.
 
I for one certainly hope that Melda wasn't offended or put off by the responses (though it doesn't sound like she was).

For me, and maybe this is inaccurate, the CS section of Pricescope is more of the educational discussions as opposed to SMTB (which is more devoted to oohs and ahhhs). It seemed as though OP was seeking advice as to what the value of her purchase might be, and was given some excellent advice.

She's stated that she's thrilled with the ring and she should be! It's stunning and huge and amazing. No one is taking away from that. And an unheated sapphire on ebay is an awesome find, in a gorgeous setting to boot. But as TL pointed out, the pad threads do seem to raise red flags, particularly for those believing what they have purchased is a true padparadscha. Yes, the definition is muddled at best, but still those pads are a rare/high ticket find.

OP doesn't care if she's in possession of a certified "Padparadscha" and that's great! She's happy with the color, she got a great deal, and all is well. But when she first posted, I don't think the advice to proceed with caution was unnecessarily harsh or unwarranted. I know that I won't settle for less than "Padparadscha" color when my gem is certed, because that's what I'm after. But now we know she isn't really after a pad and nothing else will do, she just happened to find a sapphire she loves with a somewhat inaccurate description.

This is what I love about the CS section. No nonsense advice.
 
MyPicture.jpg

final g.i.a. stats:

measurements: 8.4 x 6 x 4 mm
shape: cushion
cutting style: crown....modified brilliant cut
cutting style: pavilion...step cut
transparency: transparent
color: orange
item description: in a white metal ring set with numerous transparent near colorless round brilliant cuts
species: natural corundum
variety: natural sapphire
source type: NCL type I
geographic origin: east africa
treatment: no indications of heating

and there you have it.

http://www.thenaturalsapphirecompany.com/Sapphires/Unique/U2836/Oval/stoneid=U2836 is pretty close to what my stone actually looks like.
 
It's beautiful. You definitely got a special find there.
 
I love the peek-a-boo shot!

The sapphire you've linked to in your last post (for me) is far prettier than the one you linked to earlier! I also like the description you used of "ginger" - that sounds yummy and good enough to eat!

I'm glad you weren't upset by comments on here. I don't think anybody would intentionally do that. As others have said, the word "pad" is used so liberally and by more unscrupulous sellers to increase the price. If you didn't love your stone as much as you do, I'd be tempted to go back to the original Vendor and say "you've sold me this as a Pad but it's been certified as an orange sapphire" please will you consider a partial refund?" Nothing ventured ....... :naughty:
 
I think it's a lovely ring and it makes you very happy, which is most important of all! Enjoy it!
 
Nashville said:
From ebay listing: "Padparadscha is the rarest and most valuable of all gemstones. This one is a fine example of the rarest color as well. "

You were smart to get this certified, because it is for sure not a padparadscha. But it's great that the sapphire is unheated, and if you enjoy it, then yes you paid a fair price.

I'm still in a year long pad search myself, so I know that there's no such thing as a 2ct unheated, perfectly colored pad in an 18k and diamond setting that's selling for $2,000. And if there is, please tell me where it is so I can buy it :cheeky:
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Just wanted to know whether "gemstones" apply to diamonds or not. My understanding was that red diamonds were the rarest and most expensive of all gems. Am I wrong?
 
crasru said:
Nashville said:
From ebay listing: "Padparadscha is the rarest and most valuable of all gemstones. This one is a fine example of the rarest color as well. "

You were smart to get this certified, because it is for sure not a padparadscha. But it's great that the sapphire is unheated, and if you enjoy it, then yes you paid a fair price.

I'm still in a year long pad search myself, so I know that there's no such thing as a 2ct unheated, perfectly colored pad in an 18k and diamond setting that's selling for $2,000. And if there is, please tell me where it is so I can buy it :cheeky:
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Just wanted to know whether "gemstones" apply to diamonds or not. My understanding was that red diamonds were the rarest and most expensive of all gems. Am I wrong?
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Oh, I don't know I was just quoting the ebay listing. But I always thought diamonds and gemstones were in different categories? I know red diamonds are the most rare kind of diamonds though.
 
crasru said:
Nashville said:
From ebay listing: "Padparadscha is the rarest and most valuable of all gemstones. This one is a fine example of the rarest color as well. "

You were smart to get this certified, because it is for sure not a padparadscha. But it's great that the sapphire is unheated, and if you enjoy it, then yes you paid a fair price.

I'm still in a year long pad search myself, so I know that there's no such thing as a 2ct unheated, perfectly colored pad in an 18k and diamond setting that's selling for $2,000. And if there is, please tell me where it is so I can buy it :cheeky:
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Just wanted to know whether "gemstones" apply to diamonds or not. My understanding was that red diamonds were the rarest and most expensive of all gems. Am I wrong?
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Yes, red diamond is the most valuable color of diamond, and in the colored gem world, Burma ruby above three carats in the most saturated color of red is the most valuable. Red is a pretty desirable color.
 
IndyLady said:
We've had many, many threads going over the fact that its hard to classify what is, and isn't a pad. It makes me so sad to hear posters point out modifiers in a SMTR type thread. The OP did ask for opinions, but I often see posters posting their opinions on stones and their value based on modifiers, even when opinions aren't asked for.

Since we don't really "know" what a pad is, and haven't seen the OP's stone in person, and haven't heard back further from its lab report to see how it will be classified in terms of color, I find it rude to purposefully fight over the semantics of this stone when the owner is very happy with it, because it will be a sentimental piece of jewelery for her, and it has already been bought. This is why I most likely won't be posting my e-ring on CS, and why I've cut down posting on the stones and settings that I have purchased. Yes, PS'ers are free to hold whatever opinions they may, and free to be particular about cut, shape, color, modifiers. But, reading threads like this one, colored-stones/yay-i-won-a-spinel-t144536.html , and many others, make me wonder where our tact has gone.
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IndyLady,
Not only because I did not totally share Jax"s happiness in the above thread - but in general... You are amazingly supportive and nice and yours are the threads that I read everywhere, inclding the "hangout", because you are so supportive and one can always learn something from you...

I believe the purpose of this forum is not only to share each other's joy and admire the stones but also to learn. Yesterday people told me that the spinel I bought was 90% extinct - not because they wanted to spoil my joy, just to teach me to choose better and spend my money wiser in the future. And TL, the kind soul, even had to switch off her monitor because she did not want to make me unhappy! :D :D
I do not believe that people are not supportive of Melda. It is almost a must to certify expensive colored sapphires because of what is sold around especially on ebay... And pad is like San Graal, people may spend years trying to find it and still would not.
I am very happy for Melda. A colored sapphire of such a size a quality in a nice diamond mount would make a great E-ring and I am positive that she'll be happy with it. Congratulations.
 
Given that the lurker/poster ratio is much greater than 1, its very important that information be distributed in the thread so that the many people reading the forum or finding threads through google are informed. I think it would be a tragedy if someone wasted money on a BE-diffused sapphire because we self-censored to protect feelings.

Also, this is sort of a Plato's cave argument, but I would much rather see the flaws in the jewelery I made for my girlfriend b/c I am learning more, than still think the stones are perfect b/c of my ignorance. Just my $0.02. I can always make her better and prettier stuff to improve upon the past!

Query, IndyLady: A poster posts a "look at my beautiful stone". The ring is outside of the return time. It is obviously, say, a glass-filled ruby worth $20, and the poster paid $1000. The poster has no recourse. Should we pretend that the stone is "real"?

IndyLady said:
We've had many, many threads going over the fact that its hard to classify what is, and isn't a pad. It makes me so sad to hear posters point out modifiers in a SMTR type thread. The OP did ask for opinions, but I often see posters posting their opinions on stones and their value based on modifiers, even when opinions aren't asked for.

Since we don't really "know" what a pad is, and haven't seen the OP's stone in person, and haven't heard back further from its lab report to see how it will be classified in terms of color, I find it rude to purposefully fight over the semantics of this stone when the owner is very happy with it, because it will be a sentimental piece of jewelery for her, and it has already been bought. This is why I most likely won't be posting my e-ring on CS, and why I've cut down posting on the stones and settings that I have purchased. Yes, PS'ers are free to hold whatever opinions they may, and free to be particular about cut, shape, color, modifiers. But, reading threads like this one, colored-stones/yay-i-won-a-spinel-t144536.html , and many others, make me wonder where our tact has gone.
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Yeah, this is a constant trade off here on PS ... when to educate vs. when to just compliment.

My 2 cents is if it appears that the proud new owner seems like he/she could be brought up to speed on something important, just do it, especially if the purchase is returnable.

If you post politely but they get overly sensitive and get their feelings hurt, too friggin bad.
They needed the gem lesson AND the growing up lesson.

An education site is not the place for "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all".

The OP handled herself very graciously here.
People said brown, brown, brown and brown, and she kept her cool.
Then GIA said only Orange so apparently, once again, the pics were off.
 
Double post. :knockout:
 
Melda, I'm so pleased to see the report back that it's natural and unheated! Wear that gorgeous statement piece in good health!
 
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