Please help me choose!!!

[hk1121]

Looks nice ... i would offer him .. 20.8k for stone and max 21k

Mean while found this one interesting ... 2.06ct H VS2

Thanks. It looks nice. What's the listed price?

Meanwhile, just curious, have anyone had done business with Whiteflash before? Do they allow further discounts/incentives from the price listed on the website?

 

[sledge]

Meanwhile, just curious, have anyone had done business with Whiteflash before? Do they allow further discounts/incentives from the price listed on the website?

Tons of people here have bought from WF. They are one of the better vendors and highly recommended because of their superior cuts, transparency in all matters, customer care & competitive pricing.

You can get $100 off your first purchase for registering with WF. I know it's not much, but it's literally free money.

Also, they offer a 3% wire discount if you use your bank to complete the transaction, as opposed to credit/debit card.

Normally their prices already beat their competitors, so I don't see them offer a lot of promos or coupons like some of the others do. However, it never hurts to (respectfully) ask. Worst they can do is say no.

 

[mihirksh]

Tons of people here have bought from WF. They are one of the better vendors and highly recommended because of their superior cuts, transparency in all matters, customer care & competitive pricing.

You can get $100 off your first purchase for registering with WF. I know it's not much, but it's literally free money.

Also, they offer a 3% wire discount if you use your bank to complete the transaction, as opposed to credit/debit card.

Normally their prices already beat their competitors, so I don't see them offer a lot of promos or coupons like some of the others do. However, it never hurts to (respectfully) ask. Worst they can do is say no.

Well yes WF is popular ...

but a buyer will not look at 100$ discount if hes buying a diamond which is valued in grands

3% discount on wire transfer... is saved from Credit Card charges and payment Wallets fees.. so doesn't make sense

Prices will be competitive among their competitors ... but not around the world.

I am not criticizing but the points i felt through a buyers perspective i gave my views

 

[mihirksh]

Thanks. It looks nice. What's the listed price?

Meanwhile, just curious, have anyone had done business with Whiteflash before? Do they allow further discounts/incentives from the price listed on the website?

2.06 H VS2 GIA Listed price is 22300$ ..

 

[sledge]

Prices will be competitive among their competitors ... but not around the world.

I never placed a restriction on geographical constraints. I said competitors. As in vendors that offer an EQUAL product. A diamond that is cut to H&A precision, accompanied by AGS000 grading report, comes with complete advanced imaging & a comparable trade-in program.

When you seek out a diamond of this caliber, you will quickly discover that WF consistently provides competitive pricing that is usually slightly lower than a truly equal competitor.

There are plenty of vendors, domestically & internationally, that offer stones cut to lesser precision, offer GIA reports in lieu of AGS reports (that focus on cut quality), offer NO advanced images and provide a very limited or no trade-in program for less dollars.

I can go purchase a Dodge Charger for fewer dollars than a Ferrari. Both are technically cars that get me from point A to point B, but the experience (and price tag) is considerably different. Comparing the costs of Ferrari to Porsche or other exotic sports car would be a more fair comparison as they play at a different level of the game.

 

[sledge]

2.06 H VS2 GIA Listed price is 22300$ ..

Link please.

Is an AGS report available? Where can I find the advanced images? What is the trade program like?

Dollars are just ONE part of this equation.

 

[mihirksh]

Link please.

Is an AGS report available? Where can I find the advanced images? What is the trade program like?

Dollars are just ONE part of this equation.

Advance images are already posted on this thread please scroll back ... Ferrari is compared to Ferrari itself

I never said its CERTIFIED from AGS ...

And i am not the Vendor so that i can propose a Trade Program .. That will be discussed by the BUYER and the Vendor.

I am not promoting any Vendor or any Super Ideal Cut stones ...I am just following the trend of high quality H&A stones with Advanced Images with prices which are available as others are doing.

I am just helping with competitive prices ... did i promote or convinced to buy it ? No

And do you mean to say that vendors you promote are cutting their own rough to make Super Ideal Cut stones NO .. its been bought from open market and there are diamonds cut with lesser precision that doesnt mean they dont sell ... every vendor will have such diamonds ...

 

[sledge]

2.06 H VS2 GIA Listed price is 22300$ ..

Your mystery H-VS2 = $22,300 / 2.06 carats = $10,825 per carat

WF ACA H-VS2 = $22,771 / 2.084 carats = $10,927 per carat

Assuming images you posted upstream actually belong to the H-VS2, it's a solid GIA stone. It does have formations of hearts and they are pretty good. However, they aren't to the same precise level of a true H&A stone. This stone would fall into the "expert select" category at WF because of GIA certification and minor inconsistencies in the hearts image. If you aren't aware, WF ES stones sell at a discount to the ACA line.

Additionally I would add that while IS image looks good, your mystery 2.06 is missing an ASET. It's plausible we could see some additional minor variances between the WF ACA and the 2.06. Also no video to confirm inclusions, etc.

All that said, we still don't know who the vendor is because you refuse to provide a link to the stone. We don't know the trade policy. While the stone is a solid, it doesn't have the preferred AGS000 report. And it's still not true H&A.

It's not a 100% equal, yet WF pricing on their ACA is competitive and right in-line. There is no meaningful cost savings to choose the 2.06.

Advance images are already posted on this thread please scroll back ... Ferrari is compared to Ferrari itself

I never said its CERTIFIED from AGS ...

And i am not the Vendor so that i can propose a Trade Program .. That will be discussed by the BUYER and the Vendor.

I am not promoting any Vendor or any Super Ideal Cut stones ...I am just following the trend of high quality H&A stones with Advanced Images with prices which are available as others are doing.

I am just helping with competitive prices ... did i promote or convinced to buy it ? No

And do you mean to say that vendors you promote are cutting their own rough to make Super Ideal Cut stones NO .. its been bought from open market and there are diamonds cut with lesser precision that doesnt mean they dont sell ... every vendor will have such diamonds ...

My point is simple. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Despite that, my comments above show the WF stone is actually still competitive with it.

I'm not "promoting" any vendor or stone. I don't get paid.

I didn't make comments about diamond rough, so your last statement is a bit goofy. WF buys rough from market like all others. The difference is they control the cut process to provide stones that meet ideal light performance metrics. That process means wasting more rough and taking more time to cut. Most vendors cut rough to minimize waste & maximize profit, which comes at the expense of ideal cut stones that have superior beauty.

The mere fact the same rough is used to cut ideal stones and inferior stones, and both sell in the open market matters not. They still aren't equals. It goes back to that car theory. Technically both a Charger & Ferrari are cars, so they're the same. Ummm....no!

 

[mihirksh]

Your mystery H-VS2 = $22,300 / 2.06 carats = $10,825 per carat

WF ACA H-VS2 = $22,771 / 2.084 carats = $10,927 per carat

Assuming images you posted upstream actually belong to the H-VS2, it's a solid GIA stone. It does have formations of hearts and they are pretty good. However, they aren't to the same precise level of a true H&A stone. This stone would fall into the "expert select" category at WF because of GIA certification and minor inconsistencies in the hearts image. If you aren't aware, WF ES stones sell at a discount to the ACA line.

Additionally I would add that while IS image looks good, your mystery 2.06 is missing an ASET. It's plausible we could see some additional minor variances between the WF ACA and the 2.06. Also no video to confirm inclusions, etc.

All that said, we still don't know who the vendor is because you refuse to provide a link to the stone. We don't know the trade policy. While the stone is a solid, it doesn't have the preferred AGS000 report. And it's still not true H&A.

It's not a 100% equal, yet WF pricing on their ACA is competitive and right in-line. There is no meaningful cost savings to choose the 2.06.



My point is simple. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Despite that, my comments above show the WF stone is actually still competitive with it.

I'm not "promoting" any vendor or stone. I don't get paid.

I didn't make comments about diamond rough, so your last statement is a bit goofy. WF buys rough from market like all others. The difference is they control the cut process to provide stones that meet ideal light performance metrics. That process means wasting more rough and taking more time to cut. Most vendors cut rough to minimize waste & maximize profit, which comes at the expense of ideal cut stones that have superior beauty.

The mere fact the same rough is used to cut ideal stones and inferior stones, and both sell in the open market matters not. They still aren't equals. It goes back to that car theory. Technically both a Charger & Ferrari are cars, so they're the same. Ummm....no!

So this is the Image you were looking for ... will wait for your comment on it

If you compare it also your 2.08 has a smaller diameter compared to MYSTERY 2.06

Why was 2.08 not proposed till now ....its a good pcs with visible BLACK inclusion on the table ... not a eye clean

According to this.. price of 2.08 should be still low .. whats the point in spending premium on a stone where inclusion can be viewed on the table .. you think light reflection will negate the actual view ?

I am attaching Clarity diagram also for MYSTERY 2.06

Where does it mention that WF buys rough and controls the cuts ... i tried searching the websites but didnt find any such thing ...(though its a great USP for sales)

Please i am not opposing or saying any negative of WF ... nor i own a Charger apple or oranges

 

[sledge]

POST THE WEB LINK to your mystery 2.06!!!

FYI, the OP posted the 2.084 in post #1 with image & stats only. Then a web link In post #9. It wasn’t “just proposed” as you stated. You clearly haven’t paid attention.

I saw the crystal. It’s tiny on a magnified video. It’s a valid question to ask but the WF states it’s eye clean and I believe that’s an accurate assessment when you look at it with the naked eye.

And because we get fed limited info at a time I can’t even tell you what the comments on the cert say of the 2.06. Nor can I see a video of the 2.06 to see what clarity issues exist on that stone.

Honestly I don’t even know if the ASET or other images even truly belong to the 2.06. I don’t have a way to verify source & authenticity. The image looks fine for an ASET.

This feels like a cheesy infomercial....but wait, there’s more! Let’s spin the wheel. WF also has SARIN report, does the 2.06 also have that in your stash of magic charms?

LOL, I nearly forgot the massive size difference you pointed out.

2.06 = 8.27 x 8.28 x 4.98
2.084 = 8.21 x 8.25 x 5.01

A whooping 0.05mm of difference. The proportions are why. The 2.06 is slightly more fat & short than the 2.084. The minor 0.05mm isn’t detectable to the naked eye and has no meaningful impact to size as you are falsely trying to elude.

 

[Txborn79]

@mihirksh are you in the trade as it suggests under your name?

 

[mihirksh]

Or if you're on the up & up as you state, you could just disclose them here for ALL of us to see.

Given the fact you are being secretive with info, passing your email, etc it seems pretty obvious your intent. Reported.

Well if i would intend to give my email etc i would have done it on the 1st instance ..

I dont get paid to promote any Vendor and nor paid to criticize others

What ever info was available with me i shared...

I can answer your comments but it doesnt make sense ... because you find flaws in everything

If i was a Vendor i would have shared Link ASET and whatever you asked for ... but sorry i dont have anymore info

 

[Txborn79]

Well if i would intend to give my email etc i would have done it on the 1st instance ..

I dont get paid to promote any Vendor and nor paid to criticize others

What ever info was available with me i shared...

I can answer your comments but it doesnt make sense ... because you find flaws in everything

If i was a Vendor i would have shared Link ASET and whatever you asked for ... but sorry i dont have anymore info

I’m so confused....Why are you suggesting a diamond that you won’t share the link to or is there another reason you’re sharing the cost, images, etc?

 

[mihirksh]

@Txborn79 the Vendor is not selling his Diamonds online like the ones you find here ... All are not well equipped with all the lighting stuff and Sarin reports and all .. Still their diamonds have a good potential to compete and sold at better discounts and not premiums ...

Prices i gave you to bargain from the Vendor .. i never asked you how much hes offering ...but the Diamonds should be sold at its fair value ..
I wont get any cut if you buy option A or C or D .. i have knowledge which i share ...

the images i posted are for REAL.. and its for 2.06ct ..

 

[hk1121]

Thanks for everyone input. I am learning a lot!

With that being said, when I was ready to trigger and purchase Option D (I VS1), the diamond is now reserved. Instead, they are recommending a similar size I VS2 noted below. What do you all think about this and how big of a difference would it be compare to VS1?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4312096.htm

 

[hk1121]

For everyone convenience, here is the ideal scope and ASET image comparing the two. Thanks again.

I VS2





I VS1

 

[sledge]

Thanks for everyone input. I am learning a lot!

With that being said, when I was ready to trigger and purchase Option D (I VS1), the diamond is now reserved. Instead, they are recommending a similar size I VS2 noted below. What do you all think about this and how big of a difference would it be compare to VS1?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4312096.htm

No issues whatsoever. All images look great. The proportions are very similar to the other stone.

I know you had an H on your list, so it may be worth asking WF how this new I-VS2 measures up on the color range. Although the labs assign a letter, there can be slight variance (aka "range") within the color grade. Using I color for example, some may be a slightly stronger I and closer to H, while others may be a little weaker and closer to J. And then some are just in the middle and look like a typical I color.

Also, I saw a teeny tiny white/clear crystal on the table. However, it's barely detectable in the magnified videos, so I am certain it will be a very nice & eye clean stone!

I have no qualms recommending you buy. If you need to think on it, at least put it on hold someone can't "snipe" it out from underneath you.

 

[sledge]

I can answer your comments but it doesnt make sense ... because you find flaws in everything

No, you do not get the luxury of playing victim!

The "flaws" you mention are in response to false information you are trying to spread. I do not apologize for that.

• The 2.06 was not a H&A stone. It was a near miss.
• The 2.06 was not a better deal. It cost about $100 less per carat. Likely on par with a "near miss" stone. Yet the WF ACA was still competitive even with an unknown dealer.
• The trade-in policy of the 2.06 is still unknown. WF's policy is spend the same or more money and trade as you want, for the rest of your life.
• The dealer of the 2.06 is still undisclosed. No way I'd send $20k to you or someone operating shady. WF is totally transparent. All images, videos, SARIN reports, etc are posted on their website. Additionally they own the stones they sell and can pull from their vault on a whim.

The OP is spending $20k+ on a diamond. He deserves total transparency about the vendor he is working with and also the product he is buying.

@Txborn79 the Vendor is not selling his Diamonds online like the ones you find here ... All are not well equipped with all the lighting stuff and Sarin reports and all .. Still their diamonds have a good potential to compete and sold at better discounts and not premiums ...

Prices i gave you to bargain from the Vendor .. i never asked you how much hes offering ...but the Diamonds should be sold at its fair value ..
I wont get any cut if you buy option A or C or D .. i have knowledge which i share ...

the images i posted are for REAL.. and its for 2.06ct ..

So provide the name of the vendor and remove yourself from the equation.

But I must ask, if the vendor has no technology then why do you magically have all this data and acting as a liaison for the vendor you refuse to disclose? What makes you so special that you get the data and not the rest of the world?

I smell a rat. Either the stone is a fake. It's an email scam. Or you are getting a kick back.

 

[munchee]

No, you do not get the luxury of playing victim!

The "flaws" you mention are in response to false information you are trying to spread. I do not apologize for that.

• The 2.06 was not a H&A stone. It was a near miss.
• The 2.06 was not a better deal. It cost about $100 less per carat. Likely on par with a "near miss" stone. Yet the WF ACA was still competitive even with an unknown dealer.
• The trade-in policy of the 2.06 is still unknown. WF's policy is spend the same or more money and trade as you want, for the rest of your life.
• The dealer of the 2.06 is still undisclosed. No way I'd send $20k to you or someone operating shady. WF is totally transparent. All images, videos, SARIN reports, etc are posted on their website. Additionally they own the stones they sell and can pull from their vault on a whim.

The OP is spending $20k+ on a diamond. He deserves total transparency about the vendor he is working with and also the product he is buying.



So provide the name of the vendor and remove yourself from the equation.

But I must ask, if the vendor has no technology then why do you magically have all this data and acting as a liaison for the vendor you refuse to disclose? What makes you so special that you get the data and not the rest of the world?

I smell a rat. Either the stone is a fake. It's an email scam. Or you are getting a kick back.

@sledge @mihirksh
There is easiest way, disclosed the GIA number! Easy! We’ll find out if we can find it anywhere in the internet. Or ask B2C or whoever trusted vendor to get it, if its owned by the vendor as you said then we can’t get it. And actually only posting cutted and bits of information really looks shady. As this consumers forum, we should be open with informations.

 

[whitewave]

Advance images are already posted on this thread please scroll back ... Ferrari is compared to Ferrari itself

I never said its CERTIFIED from AGS ...

And i am not the Vendor so that i can propose a Trade Program .. That will be discussed by the BUYER and the Vendor.

I am not promoting any Vendor or any Super Ideal Cut stones ...I am just following the trend of high quality H&A stones with Advanced Images with prices which are available as others are doing.

I am just helping with competitive prices ... did i promote or convinced to buy it ? No

And do you mean to say that vendors you promote are cutting their own rough to make Super Ideal Cut stones NO .. its been bought from open market and there are diamonds cut with lesser precision that doesnt mean they dont sell ... every vendor will have such diamonds ...

Who is the vendor?

Are you in the trade? (Why do you have a trade badge)?

 

[sledge]

@sledge @mihirksh
There is easiest way, disclosed the GIA number! Easy! We’ll find out if we can find it anywhere in the internet. Or ask B2C or whoever trusted vendor to get it, if its owned by the vendor as you said then we can’t get it. And actually only posting cutted and bits of information really looks shady. As this consumers forum, we should be open with informations.

FWIW, the other night I tried to back door search that stone using weight, color & clarity to narrow the fields. I couldn’t find using the various sites I tried. I need access to a true dealer network so I can find it.

 

[munchee]

FWIW, the other night I tried to back door search that stone using weight, color & clarity to narrow the fields. I couldn’t find using the various sites I tried. I need access to a true dealer network so I can find it.

Let’s say the diamond is real, whatever @mihirksh saying its true. It looks like a good diamond too, but, its not cheap too. Its only $470 dollars difference. But what happened if buyers want to upgrade it? How legit is the seller, whats the return policy? Whats the resale policy. It’ll be different story if its $6000 difference between the two. If its only $470 I don’t think anyone will gamble $22k to a vendor they’ve never heard. So that $470, which is actually ($200ish if we count it percarat) is for assurance, insurance, credibility and upgrades policy.

 

[hk1121]

We are in the final stage of the selection process and would like to see which one is better in your opinion. They are all so similar but would like to hear from the experts here and see which one has more competitive edge:

2.321ct I VVS2
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4273464.htm

2.084ct H VS2
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4369553.htm

Thanks everyone!

 

[musicloveranthony]

I’d eliminate the 2.084 based on the crystal under the table. I would never be able to stop looking at it.