Roe v. Wade.

[partgypsy]

I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that said all women should participate in a one week strike where women don’t spend any money shopping and don’t go to work.

I can’t see one day crippling the nation. A week would probably get quite a lot of attention.

Sign me up. I will do this.should be u.paid work too

 

[nala]

Here’s the thing. Women don’t unite. We didn’t unite for Hillary bc you know—the emails, she’s a liar, etc—-the argument that we women should stand United and vote for her bc she is a woman didn’t sway many women here—even those who are commenting on this thread about women’s rights. And here we are. We have inherited the choices that a male president made for the Supreme Court which could have been her choices. Guess we should have stood united back then, huh?

 

[Lookinagain]

Here’s the thing. Women don’t unite. We didn’t unite for Hillary bc you know—the emails, she’s a liar, etc—-the argument that we women should stand United and vote for her bc she is a woman didn’t sway many women here—even those who are commenting on this thread about women’s rights. And here we are. We have inherited the choices that a male president made for the Supreme Court which could have been her choices. Guess we should have stood united back then, huh?

That's true. But she did win the popular vote.

 

[Calliecake]

Here’s the thing. Women don’t unite. We didn’t unite for Hillary bc you know—the emails, she’s a liar, etc—-the argument that we women should stand United and vote for her bc she is a woman didn’t sway many women here—even those who are commenting on this thread about women’s rights. And here we are. We have inherited the choices that a male president made for the Supreme Court which could have been her choices. Guess we should have stood united back then, huh?

You are right @nala. Susan Sarandon comes to mind.

Hopefully being told that you are not in control of your own body will be enough to wake women up. Unfortunate it may take them seeing something go terribly wrong with a friend or relative‘s botched abortion.

 

[MrsBlue]

Great point @nala. Many women who vote today would not have advocated to give themselves the right to vote if they had been around during the suffrage movement.

 

[nkarma]

It has always been in every facet, a tiered system. A soft caste.
This is where many of our continued issue comes from. Most want equality across the spectrum, which would be guarantee of at least equal footing to begin with and a minimum standard of life for every citizen. The rest want continued status quo(which benefits their dominance and share of spoils/considerations) and will employ whatever institutionalized tactic to keep it so at the expense of the other.
America as a bastion of freedom/progression is a lie. It has always been a lie. We had an extremely small window in our recent past where profit was, at least to a degree for the lower tier of the dominant caste, shared. It was over quickly and yet that is the fixed crystalline image of our collected self identity. Our false sense of superiority is drilled into us from birth, with self manufactured stories of when we were savior or champion. We are never told of our shortcomings, we are never told to be introspective about it. It is assumed that we are prime, even in our destitution.

Don't post here often but just to say that no truer words have ever been said than this post. This is what it is ALL about - guns, no public healthcare, no welfare, disinformation / denouncing journalists, systemic racism, discouraging people from higher education, immigration etc etc

Just to add that a lot of the people who move to the US (or their parents did) were fleeing persecution, genocide, fascism etc so US looks great compared to those.

Voting isn't enough for me so I moved to a European country a decade ago which has it's issues but I am 8 X safer, everyone has public healthcare, large availability of social housing, and the income gap is drastically lower.

 

[siamese3]

You ever notice that the people who are against a woman's freedom to choose never adopt any of these babies??

For most of my career, as a psychotherapist, I've worked with women who have had more kids than they could handle. They don't believe in abortion. But, what about the young women who do? Should they lose their right to choose??? Absolutely NOT!!

Exactly...most people are quite eager to push their beliefs onto other people without any responsibility for the outcome.

 

[Obscura]

Exactly...most people are quite eager to push their beliefs onto other people without any responsibility for the outcome.

I agree. I see almost EVERYONE, no matter where they stand on a myriad of topics try to shove their opinions or beliefs down everyone's throats. I am frankly sick of it from all of them, whether I agree or not. Beliefs and opinions does NOT equate to scientific FACT.

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

I am throwing this out here to let you all know that it is being suggested that women begin to use different words to describe pro-choice and pro-life. No longer will we use the word choice, but we will use the word decision. It is not a choice but is a decision.
I think Planned Parenthood put out a letter today suggesting other words to use. I don't remember the other words.

History-- NY legalized abortion before Roe vs Wade. The churches with the exception of the Catholic Church were all on board. Of course the Catholic Church has been opposed to all contraception as well. Pat Robertson was not opposed to abortion years ago. In the south the issue was schools, but somehow this issue took hold in some churches and here we are.

I'm just rambling. Remember when adultery was also so wicked. I think the abortion issue and contraception , give women sexual freedom. Men do not want that. They want us as property again. We almost escaped.

Annette

 

[missy]

Coast-to-coast rallies support abortion rights

Demonstrators facing down a Supreme Court decision that could overturn women’s right to an abortion planned rallies from coast to coast Saturday to express their outrage – and to mobilize for the fight ahead. In Washington, D.C., activists planned to gather at the Washington Monument before...

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May 14 NYC Rally & March Abortion Stays Legal!

The Supreme Court Is On Track to Take Away Women's Right to Abortion Within Weeks Only The People Can Stop This! Saturday, May 14 Rally 2:00 pm Union Square (14th Street) MARCH to Foley Square. Abortion On Demand and Without Apology! The end of Roe v. Wade would be one of the most significant...

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51.1% of the USA population is female.
This is 100% an anti-rights movement.
What a slap in the face to all the generations before us who fought for these rights.
What a slap in the face to all people everywhere.
If this happens it might just be the beginning.
I feel as if we are in the Twilight Zone.
And not a good episode either.




"25 states are likely to ban abortion if they are allowed to. Those states are: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming."

 

[MrsBlue]

@smitcompton I just want to say that I appreciate your wisdom and contributions.

I get the concept of using different language and agree that it may help in terms of making a supporting vote more understandable/palatable to people sitting on the fence.

The phrase "Safe, legal, and rare" is similar to decision vs choice in that regard. It draws attention away from imaginary hordes of jezebels having dozens of abortions and refocuses on the need to keep abortion as a part of modern medical treatment for people from all walks of life.

 

[swingtime]

Hi,

I am throwing this out here to let you all know that it is being suggested that women begin to use different words to describe pro-choice and pro-life. No longer will we use the word choice, but we will use the word decision. It is not a choice but is a decision.
I think Planned Parenthood put out a letter today suggesting other words to use. I don't remember the other words.

History-- NY legalized abortion before Roe vs Wade. The churches with the exception of the Catholic Church were all on board. Of course the Catholic Church has been opposed to all contraception as well. Pat Robertson was not opposed to abortion years ago. In the south the issue was schools, but somehow this issue took hold in some churches and here we are.

I'm just rambling. Remember when adultery was also so wicked. I think the abortion issue and contraception , give women sexual freedom. Men do not want that. They want us as property again. We almost escaped.

Annette

Yes, thank you for pointing this out. The words we use to frame the discussion impact how people view this issue. I never say pro life. Instead, I'd say anti reproductive privacy or health privacy. I don't say pro choice - I think it sounds cavalier, which supports the message of anti abortion rights advocates.

 

[MMtwo]

I read this article in the WAPo this morning and thought it made a good point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/13/abortion-roe-polarization-high-conflict/?wpisrc=nl_ideas

 

[missy]

 

[Garnetgirl]

I wish I could “like” your post a thousand times @missy . So simply said, yet so profound.

 

[Snowdrop13]

Well, there it goes. Sad day.

 

[Mreader]

Dark times. We are in such a fu*ked up place rn.

 

[yssie]

JFC.

 

[vintageinjune]

To all who said I was being over-dramatic or catastrophizing back in 2016: I wish I could take pleasure in being right, again, and smug in a child like "I-told-you-so" way, but this is just a bit to hard, too heavy, too overwhelming with the cascade of negative consequences to follow, along with the certainty that women are being pulled backwards, again, and re-enforces that we are not, still not, seen as equal.

JFC is right.

 

[KristyDarling]

Our descent into madness has gone to warp speed in just the last 2 days. I feel so, so tired. And hopeless. It has been an exhausting and utterly demoralizing 6 years in this country. I know we need to gear up to fight, but with all this momentum and polarization, is there even a way out?? Where has our common sense as a society gone???

 

[Cerulean]

I’m just devastated. I’ve always been happy to coexist with people who have fundamentally different beliefs than I do, and have always considered myself a centrist.

But this…is so different. This is deliberately harmful. Women and girls everywhere will suffer because of this. I didn’t know the male ego was so fragile and retaliatory.

 

[yssie]

If only RBG had retired.

If only the sycophant masses had pressured McConnell into withholding Trump’s nomination the way he did Obama’s.

I’ll get banned from here if I write out the rest of my If onlys.

 

[Jambalaya]

Where has our common sense as a society gone???

Where indeed? Abortion never goes away. It has been with us since the dawn of time and will always be with us. The only difference between a society with legal access to it or not is that the people in the first type of society get safe abortions and the people in the second type of society go underground, to back-alley clinics, or try to do it themselves at home, with disastrous consequences. Lack of access to legal, safe, and timely abortion doesn't save potential babies, it simply kills the mothers too.

I have NO idea how any lawmaker can be SO DUMB as not to realize that women will get desperate and will take desperate measures if you take legal, safe abortion away.

You can take away abortion, but you'll never take away the NEED for abortions.

 

[Mcgregor]

A very sad day for women. At least we are able to keep our unborn zygote “safe”……….it is their living, breathing siblings who are at risk in our schools.

 

[Cerulean]

A very sad day for women. At least we are able to keep our unborn zygote “safe”……….it is their living, breathing siblings who are at risk in our schools.

My friends not-so-funnily joked at a dinner party that America is the only country in the world where you have the right to be born and gunned down in elementary school.

It’s sick.

 

[Snowdrop13]

I was reading the other day about the great distress caused by the current lack of baby formula. And that breast feeding is truly difficult because women don’t get much (any?) maternity leave. There’s not much concern for females at any point in the reproductive cycle, is there?

 

[Jambalaya]

There’s not much concern for females at any point in the reproductive cycle, is there?

^No, there's not. No paid maternity leave, no help with bringing children up, daycare and education are absolutely eye-wateringly expensive, and yet this country wants as many babies born as possible, regardless of their circumstances and regardless of the horrifying expenses. They're OK with children having mothers who don't want them, OK with more children joining families that might already be poverty-stricken, households with abusive fathers....all reasons that a woman might want to terminate a pregnancy. But no, all pregnancies have to go ahead even in dire circumstances and then EVERYONE involved suffers as a result. There's no help like there is in European countries.

 

[stracci2000]

What will happen to all the teenage boys who get the teenage girls pregnant? Will they be forced to marry?
I suppose all the pro-life grandparents will be happy to raise all the new grandkids......

 

[Snowdrop13]

^No, there's not. No paid maternity leave, no help with bringing children up, daycare and education are absolutely eye-wateringly expensive, and yet this country wants as many babies born as possible, regardless of their circumstances and regardless of the horrifying expenses. They're OK with children having mothers who don't want them, OK with more children joining families that might already be poverty-stricken, households with abusive fathers....all reasons that a woman might want to terminate a pregnancy. But no, all pregnancies have to go ahead even in dire circumstances and then EVERYONE involved suffers as a result. There's no help like there is in European countries.

Exactly so, everyone suffers, ultimately.

 

[yssie]

Saw this on a friend’s IG. So much truth here. And how does the anti-choice contingent counter?
(Spoiler: They don’t.)