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Certain people need to go away. Permanently.
Roe v. Wade.
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I couldn't agree more, and I have literally never wished death on anyone. But six of the Supreme Court justices could kick the bucket now and I'd be thrilled.
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Where Abortion Legislation Stands Across the U.S.
Several states have imposed restrictions on abortion, while others have reinforced their ability to provide the procedure. Here is a look at some recent developments:
Restricting Abortion
- Oklahoma: Gov. Kevin Stitt signed a bill that bans nearly all abortions starting at fertilization. The new law, which takes effect immediately, is the most restrictive abortion ban in the country.
- Florida: In March, Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law a ban on most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. It takes effect on July 1.
- Idaho: A ban on abortion after six weeks of pregnancy was set to take effect on April 22 but has been temporarily blocked by the Idaho Supreme Court.
- Kentucky: Lawmakers overrode the governor’s veto of a law restricting abortion after 15 weeks. A federal judge temporarily blocked the measure.
Reinforcing Abortion
- California: Abortion rights are already protected in the State Constitution, but lawmakers proposed an amendment to bolster those protections. A package of bills also seeks to make the state a “refuge” for women seeking abortions.
- Connecticut: A new law would shield abortion providers and patients from lawsuits initiated by states that have banned or plan to ban abortion.
- New York: Several bills have been introduced to strengthen abortion rights, including one that would create an abortion access fund.
- Maryland: Overriding the governor’s veto, lawmakers passed a bill that allows trained medical professionals other than physicians to perform abortions.
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Some states move quickly to ban abortion after Supreme Court ruling
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/tierney-sneedBy Tierney Sneed, CNN
Updated 6:04 PM ET, Fri June 24, 2022
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(CNN)Now that the Supreme Court has given the green light for lawmakers to prohibit abortion, several states, most of them Republican-led, have taken quick steps to do so. In at least seven states, state officials say that abortion bans can now be enforced.
Three states -- Kentucky, Louisiana and South Dakota -- have so-called "trigger bans" that went into effect automatically with the Supreme Court's reversal Friday of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling that had established a constitutional right to an abortion. Ten other states have trigger bans with implementation mechanisms that occur after a set period or after a step taken by a state government entity.
Among the trigger-ban states in the latter category, Missouri has already made the move required to implement its ban on abortion, with state Attorney General Eric Schmitt announcing Friday that he had taken the step of certification laid out by Missouri law.
Oklahoma, which had recently put in place a law banning most abortions, has also taken the step of implementing its trigger ban, according to the state attorney general's office. Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge also certified the state's trigger ban, allowing it take effect on Friday, Gov. Asa Hutchinson announced.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton speaks to anti-abortion activists outside the Supreme Court, Nov. 1, 2021, on Capitol Hill.
In Texas, where the trigger ban is to be implemented on the 30th day after the Supreme Court issues its judgment (a court move that will happen in the coming weeks), Attorney General Ken Paxton has announced that local prosecutors may now begin enforcing an abortion ban passed by the state before the Roe ruling.
Other states have prohibitions on abortion that had been blocked by courts that had cited Roe's guarantee of a right to abortion. Those states may act quickly to have those court orders lifted so that those restrictions can go into effect. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey referenced a court order that had halted the state's 2019 abortion ban and said in a statement that Alabama "will immediately ask the court to strike down any legal barriers to enforcing this law."
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.....especially when they are prohibited from acquiring birth control.....
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Or when a friend dies from a botch abortion at age 16, or they get raped in college and are forced to carry the baby to term and have to drop out to take care of it because there are no programs and protections for mothers.... the list goes on....
https://www.governor.wa.gov/news-me...mmitment-reproductive-freedom-standing-united
“Abortion is health care, and no matter who you are or where you come from, Oregon doesn’t turn away anyone seeking health care. Period. Let me be clear: You cannot ban abortion, you can only ban safe abortions — and this disgraceful Supreme Court decision will undoubtedly put many people’s lives at risk, in addition to stripping away a constitutional right that disproportionately affects women and has been settled law for most of our lifetimes,” said Governor Kate Brown. “For all the Americans today feeling scared, angry and disappointed — for everyone who needs an abortion and does not know where they can access safe reproductive health care –– please know you are not alone, and the fight is not over.”
“Abortion is health care, and no matter who you are or where you come from, Oregon doesn’t turn away anyone seeking health care. Period. Let me be clear: You cannot ban abortion, you can only ban safe abortions — and this disgraceful Supreme Court decision will undoubtedly put many people’s lives at risk, in addition to stripping away a constitutional right that disproportionately affects women and has been settled law for most of our lifetimes,” said Governor Kate Brown. “For all the Americans today feeling scared, angry and disappointed — for everyone who needs an abortion and does not know where they can access safe reproductive health care –– please know you are not alone, and the fight is not over.”
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“The United States as we know it was founded on the principle of inalienable rights, this idea that some rights are so sacrosanct not even a government can take them away. Of course, this country’s founding fathers were only thinking of wealthy white men when they codified this principle, but still, it’s a nice idea, that there are some freedoms that cannot be taken away.
What this ..snip... shows us is that even in this day and age, the rights of women are not inalienable. Our rights can be and are, with alarming regularity, stripped away.”
― Roxane Gay, Bad Feminist
From Bloomberg evening briefing:
"This week’s Jan. 6 hearings illustrated the potentially historic legal jeopardy faced by Donald Trump given revelations of how far he and his aides allegedly went to stay in power. But Trump’s legacy, whatever the result of investigations into the insurrection, has arguably been secured by his three picks for the US Supreme Court, who together made possible a giant leap to the right on two of the most divisive issues facing an already riven nation: guns and abortion.
Demonstrations erupted outside the US Supreme Court in Washington on Friday after the 6-3 conservative majority struck down the 50-year-old decision in Roe v. Wade, erasing the federal right to an abortion. Photographer: Brandon Bell/Getty Images
Neil Gorsuch took his seat in 2017 only after Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, then Majority Leader, refused for an unprecedented eight months to let the Senate consider President Barack Obama’s nominee. McConnell said at the time that the nomination should be held in abeyance since it was an election year. Four years later, McConnell jettisoned his rule and rushed through the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, confirming her just days before Trump lost to Joe Biden. In between, Brett Kavanaugh testified before the Senate that he considered Roe v. Wade settled precedent. This week, the three justices were integral to the court (through opinions written by fellow Republican-appointees Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito) handing a huge victory to the gun industry and, in the Dobbs decision today, effectively eliminating abortion access for tens of millions of women.
Brett Kavanaugh, left, Amy Coney Barrett and Neil Gorsuch Photographer: Erin Schaff/The New York Times
As protests and celebrations erupted in front of the Supreme Court over the demise of the 50-year-old right, abortion opponents were being urged by former Vice President Mike Pence to seek a national ban. President Joe Biden attacked the court ruling, and the Justice Department said it will protect the right of women in GOP-controlled jurisdictions to seek abortions out-of-state. But the legal reasoning behind the Dobbs opinion might augur a broader rollback of federal rights in the future. A reading of the concurrence by Thomas reveals his advocacy for a widespread review of long-settled constitutional doctrine—a review he argues is required given today’s ruling. At risk, Bloomberg Opinion writers warn, could be federal protections for same sex marriage and even contraception.
Clarence Thomas Photographer: Saul Loeb/AFP
As for the court itself, some legal observers contend a new day has dawned, one in which a right-wing supermajority no longer seeks consensus or to acknowledge popular opinion, but instead follows political dogma. “It is no exaggeration to say that the Dobbs decision,” Noah Feldman writes in Bloomberg Opinion, “is an act of institutional suicide for the Supreme Court.” —David E. Rovella
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What this ..snip... shows us is that even in this day and age, the rights of women are not inalienable. Our rights can be and are, with alarming regularity, stripped away.”
― Roxane Gay, Bad Feminist
From Bloomberg evening briefing:
"This week’s Jan. 6 hearings illustrated the potentially historic legal jeopardy faced by Donald Trump given revelations of how far he and his aides allegedly went to stay in power. But Trump’s legacy, whatever the result of investigations into the insurrection, has arguably been secured by his three picks for the US Supreme Court, who together made possible a giant leap to the right on two of the most divisive issues facing an already riven nation: guns and abortion.
Demonstrations erupted outside the US Supreme Court in Washington on Friday after the 6-3 conservative majority struck down the 50-year-old decision in Roe v. Wade, erasing the federal right to an abortion. Photographer: Brandon Bell/Getty Images
Neil Gorsuch took his seat in 2017 only after Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, then Majority Leader, refused for an unprecedented eight months to let the Senate consider President Barack Obama’s nominee. McConnell said at the time that the nomination should be held in abeyance since it was an election year. Four years later, McConnell jettisoned his rule and rushed through the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett after the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, confirming her just days before Trump lost to Joe Biden. In between, Brett Kavanaugh testified before the Senate that he considered Roe v. Wade settled precedent. This week, the three justices were integral to the court (through opinions written by fellow Republican-appointees Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito) handing a huge victory to the gun industry and, in the Dobbs decision today, effectively eliminating abortion access for tens of millions of women.
Brett Kavanaugh, left, Amy Coney Barrett and Neil Gorsuch Photographer: Erin Schaff/The New York Times
As protests and celebrations erupted in front of the Supreme Court over the demise of the 50-year-old right, abortion opponents were being urged by former Vice President Mike Pence to seek a national ban. President Joe Biden attacked the court ruling, and the Justice Department said it will protect the right of women in GOP-controlled jurisdictions to seek abortions out-of-state. But the legal reasoning behind the Dobbs opinion might augur a broader rollback of federal rights in the future. A reading of the concurrence by Thomas reveals his advocacy for a widespread review of long-settled constitutional doctrine—a review he argues is required given today’s ruling. At risk, Bloomberg Opinion writers warn, could be federal protections for same sex marriage and even contraception.
Clarence Thomas Photographer: Saul Loeb/AFP
As for the court itself, some legal observers contend a new day has dawned, one in which a right-wing supermajority no longer seeks consensus or to acknowledge popular opinion, but instead follows political dogma. “It is no exaggeration to say that the Dobbs decision,” Noah Feldman writes in Bloomberg Opinion, “is an act of institutional suicide for the Supreme Court.” —David E. Rovella
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I was at a rally tonight for women's reproductive rights, in our Purple state. The advice was -- pick a candidate, in your state's legislature, or at the federal level, in a challenged seat, and campaign for that one person. Talk to everyone you know about that person. Knock on doors for that person. Each of us needs to adopt a candidate. It is not enough to just vote, or just give money.
Note: I have been canvassing since 2012, and while we did not manage to prevent our state going for T in 2016, I can say that we have turned our county from pure red to pure blue in the past 8 years, and our county was in the national news in 2020 for its strong D vote. Some said it was evidence of election fraud... but no, it was evidence of us organizing.
Note: I have been canvassing since 2012, and while we did not manage to prevent our state going for T in 2016, I can say that we have turned our county from pure red to pure blue in the past 8 years, and our county was in the national news in 2020 for its strong D vote. Some said it was evidence of election fraud... but no, it was evidence of us organizing.
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I think it's hopeless at this point. We are too divided, too partisan to undertake such a task. Saying more may violate the no political topic rule so I'll leave you with this link which does a good job of explaining our inability to codify Roe v Wade. https://19thnews.org/2022/01/congress-codify-abortion-roe/
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its not my place to pass judgment on another countries judicial system
but if i can just say
these positions need an upper age limit and a limit of how long a judge can serve
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same for the president, imo.
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It is a sad day for America. When I was a kid I truly believed in the American dream, bought it whole heartedly. It is very disillusioning to know that the minority rules now. Freedom? The joke's on us. The US is a patriarchal dystopia in which old white men are hell bent on putting us in our place. This is not about unborn lives, religion, or morality. That is a lie we are told so that the oppressors can feel superior. Some may even believe that lie themselves. But make no mistake, this is about control.
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I couldn’t agree more @Gussie
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I’m so sorry this has been decided. This was back page news in Europe ( searched for an English language version)
www.theguardian.com
An American woman who was denied a request for abortion in Malta after suffering the symptoms of a miscarriage, has been allowed to travel to Spain to terminate her pregnancy there, her lawyer said on Thursday.
Andrea Prudente, 38, who is 16 weeks pregnant, was on holiday in Malta with her partner, Jay Weeldreyer, when she started to miscarry a week ago and was admitted to hospital with severe bleeding.
US woman left traumatised after Malta hospital refuses life-saving abortion
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Amid fears for Prudente’s health, the couple requested an abortion when told that the pregnancy was no longer viable. However, the request was refused since Malta does not allow abortion under any circumstances.
Doctors had refused to certify her as fit to travel, but arrangements have since been made through the couple’s travel insurance to enable her to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca.
“The insurance company has finalised arrangements for them to be airlifted to Mallorca. Andrea is signing herself out since Maltese medical advice is for her to stay under observation,” the couple’s lawyer, Lara Dimitrijevic, told Reuters.
“Andrea is going through a lot psychologically. But here in Malta, doctors’ hands are tied since according to law they would be committing a crime by terminating the pregnancy,” she said.
The couple are due to leave by air ambulance on Thursday.
Malta is the only EU country that has a total ban on abortion. The health ministry has not commented on the case.
US woman denied abortion in Malta flies to Spain to terminate pregnancy
Andrea Prudente, who was on holiday in Gozo when she began to miscarry, was denied the procedure due to the country’s total ban
www.theguardian.com
An American woman who was denied a request for abortion in Malta after suffering the symptoms of a miscarriage, has been allowed to travel to Spain to terminate her pregnancy there, her lawyer said on Thursday.
Andrea Prudente, 38, who is 16 weeks pregnant, was on holiday in Malta with her partner, Jay Weeldreyer, when she started to miscarry a week ago and was admitted to hospital with severe bleeding.
US woman left traumatised after Malta hospital refuses life-saving abortion
Read more
Amid fears for Prudente’s health, the couple requested an abortion when told that the pregnancy was no longer viable. However, the request was refused since Malta does not allow abortion under any circumstances.
Doctors had refused to certify her as fit to travel, but arrangements have since been made through the couple’s travel insurance to enable her to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca.
“The insurance company has finalised arrangements for them to be airlifted to Mallorca. Andrea is signing herself out since Maltese medical advice is for her to stay under observation,” the couple’s lawyer, Lara Dimitrijevic, told Reuters.
“Andrea is going through a lot psychologically. But here in Malta, doctors’ hands are tied since according to law they would be committing a crime by terminating the pregnancy,” she said.
The couple are due to leave by air ambulance on Thursday.
Malta is the only EU country that has a total ban on abortion. The health ministry has not commented on the case.
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I’m so sorry this has been decided. This was back page news in Europe ( searched for an English language version)
US woman denied abortion in Malta flies to Spain to terminate pregnancy
Andrea Prudente, who was on holiday in Gozo when she began to miscarry, was denied the procedure due to the country’s total ban
An American woman who was denied a request for abortion in Malta after suffering the symptoms of a miscarriage, has been allowed to travel to Spain to terminate her pregnancy there, her lawyer said on Thursday.
Andrea Prudente, 38, who is 16 weeks pregnant, was on holiday in Malta with her partner, Jay Weeldreyer, when she started to miscarry a week ago and was admitted to hospital with severe bleeding.
US woman left traumatised after Malta hospital refuses life-saving abortion
Read more
Amid fears for Prudente’s health, the couple requested an abortion when told that the pregnancy was no longer viable. However, the request was refused since Malta does not allow abortion under any circumstances.
Doctors had refused to certify her as fit to travel, but arrangements have since been made through the couple’s travel insurance to enable her to fly to the Spanish island of Mallorca.
“The insurance company has finalised arrangements for them to be airlifted to Mallorca. Andrea is signing herself out since Maltese medical advice is for her to stay under observation,” the couple’s lawyer, Lara Dimitrijevic, told Reuters.
“Andrea is going through a lot psychologically. But here in Malta, doctors’ hands are tied since according to law they would be committing a crime by terminating the pregnancy,” she said.
The couple are due to leave by air ambulance on Thursday.
Malta is the only EU country that has a total ban on abortion. The health ministry has not commented on the case.
This is a weird interpretation of what an abortion is- if you have a miscarriage, by definition the fetus is dead or dying. The woman will either deliver it naturally or have medication/surgery to assist. That’s NOT an abortion! Leaving the fetus in situ if it doesn’t deliver leaves the woman at risk of bleeding, infection and probably death. I can’t believe this scenario is covered by abortion law. I wonder if it’s doctors being frightened? I’m really appalled in this scenario and in the US that sensible medical voices are not being heard, loudly above all the cr** that is spouted.
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What a sad day for so many American women…
What my local news is reporting:
www.channelnewsasia.com
And
www.channelnewsasia.com
What my local news is reporting:
World leaders slam 'horrific' US abortion ruling
OTTAWA: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Friday (Jun 24) slammed the US Supreme Court decision to throw out the right to abortion in the United States. "The news coming out
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French MPs want abortion rights inscribed in constitution
PARIS: A group of lawmakers belonging to French President Emmanuel Macron's party will propose a bill to inscribe abortion rights into the country's constitution, according to the statement by two members of parliament on Saturday (Jun 26). The move comes after the
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C. Thomas has already stated that precedents re: same sex marriage, contraception, sodomy, need to be reexamined.
Alito's assertions were undercut by a concurrence by Thomas, who explicitly called for the court to reconsider its rulings striking down state restrictions on contraceptives, state sodomy bans and state prohibitions on same-sex marriage.
"Because any substantive due process decision is 'demonstrably erroneous,'" Thomas wrote, "we have a duty to 'correct the error' established in those precedents."
The liberal dissenters used Thomas' concurrence to go after Alito's assurances that the court was not putting those precedents at risks by overturning Roe.
Supreme Court's decision on abortion could open the door to overturn same-sex marriage, contraception and other major rulings
The Supreme Court's opinion overturning Roe v. Wade on Friday could open the door for courts to overturn same-sex marriage, contraception and other rights.www.cnn.com
I find it interesting that he wants to eliminate all these rights derived from the same amendment that gave him the right to marry his wife. Wasn’t Loving v. Virginia decided based on the 14th Amendment?
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I’ll be donating to National Abortion Federation in response to this ruling. I hope others begin to do the same and that these type of organizations see a surge in funding.
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Yes, this. Women - and men - who are outraged over this need to channel that energy into getting out the vote for candidates who can make a difference. This SC decision was decades in the making. A lot of people worked very hard to get us to this day, where women have lost the right to bodily autonomy. We need to work just as hard. As President Obama said, "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. "
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