Royal Jewels

[laurensmama]

Some lovely photos and history of the Stuart Diamond Tiara is available at this website (sorry haven't figured out yet how to correctly cut and paste photos. http://www.royaldutchjewels.nl/House_Diamonds_Parure.htm

 

[Principessa]

Some lovely photos and history of the Stuart Diamond Tiara is available at this website (sorry haven't figured out yet how to correctly cut and paste photos. http://www.royaldutchjewels.nl/House_Diamonds_Parure.htm

laurensmama it's a great link! thank you!

Here I found more of Queen Ena's tiaras,originally made by Anserena with pearls, later replaced with aquamarines and the rest of jewels made much later in 1935 by Cartier. She gave them to her daughter Infanta Beatrice (1905?-2002 ).

 

[Principessa]

I just noticed that it says First version..Second version...of the Queen Ena's tiara..but I didn't find any details in the article attached.
Bobby, please, would you have more details?
Also, if there is a picture of La Chata, wearing the pearl tiara with the diamond, do share it with us.
I have only this photo of "La Chata", and surely her little nose is like "a button" LOL

 

[Principessa]

I have never noticed the diamond briolette attached under this gorgeous tiara.Spanish ladies always wear it without it, IMO..am I wrong?
Thank you for any other information.
Liza

I beleieve I've only seen La Chata wearing the tiara with the briolette diamond. So, yes, the current members of the Spanish royal family wear it without the diamond briolette. And I wonder why... as obviously they still have the stone.

Bobby

here Bobby I found the sketch of the tiara!

 

[Principessa]

LOL... here is one more tiara which I can't recall on any of the present Spanish ladies...if it is
in their possession of course. would anyone know please?

 

[Principessa]

I can't believe I found it!
Here are two portraits, one of La Chata, and the other of Queen Ena, both wearing the original design of La Chata tiara as it was intended by Mellerio of Paris in 1867. You have to focus a little,but you can see the diamond briolette laying in TMs hair.
Here is also Queen Victoria Eugenia "Catalania" tiara. Is there any more information on that one please?

 

[Principessa]

Oh,computers are silly tonight ! ....it must be the blizzard...here again: The Catalania tiara(a crown?)

 

[Principessa]

Some lovely photos and history of the Stuart Diamond Tiara is available at this website (sorry haven't figured out yet how to correctly cut and paste photos. http://www.royaldutchjewels.nl/House_Diamonds_Parure.htm

laurensmama, if I may...you can drag the pictures(if possible) by holding down your mouse onto your desktop,that way it becomes a Document on the Desktop and you will attach it from there.(click on as you go along:upload attachment-choose file-add file-submit)
hope it helps.
here just to refresh our last conversation topic ;few pictures from your link.Thank you again!

 

[LadyMaria]

The aquamarine tiara of Queen Ena reminds me a lot of the Vladimir tiara that QEII wears with the pearls or the Cambridge emeralds!

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Bobby,
sorry, but I must object. Mantilla truly is the veil, lace or other. that is worn over the head and/or shoulders and is held in place by a hair comb.It is sometimes written in a confusing way under pictures.This I know for certain,I got few gorgeous lace mantillas from my family.

I'm so sorry for the mistake! I shou;d've done my homework before posting. So, is there a special name for the large combs the Catholic (Spanish) ladies use?

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Here I found more of Queen Ena's tiaras,originally made by Anserena with pearls, later replaced with aquamarines and the rest of jewels made much later in 1935 by Cartier. She gave them to her daughter Infanta Beatrice (1905?-2002 ).

I just noticed that it says First version..Second version...of the Queen Ena's tiara..but I didn't find any details in the article attached.
Bobby, please, would you have more details?

The original tiara was made to be worn with pearl drops. These were later changed to large aquamarine briolettes. When Cartier created the rest of the parure, the tiara was still in it's original form.

Infanta Beatriz was then given the entire parure and she had the tiara altered to its current version of interlocking circles - much like the Vladimir tiara, as Lady Maria pointed out. I think it was Catrier who made modification using the diamonds from Queen Ena's original tiara.
The Infanta wore the new tiara without any pendants at the 1962 pre-wedding in Athina:

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

LOL... here is one more tiara which I can't recall on any of the present Spanish ladies...if it is
in their possession of course. would anyone know please?

The tiara was made by Cartier in 1927 for Queen Ena. As far as I know, no one has worn it since the family's exile, so most likely it was sold.
A similar tiara was worn by Countess Marinne Bernadotte many years ago. There's at least one more similar tiara.
Queen Ena's version:

 

[prince.of.preslav]

I can't believe I found it!
Here are two portraits, one of La Chata, and the other of Queen Ena, both wearing the original design of La Chata tiara as it was intended by Mellerio of Paris in 1867. You have to focus a little,but you can see the diamond briolette laying in TMs hair.
Here is also Queen Victoria Eugenia "Catalania" tiara. Is there any more information on that one please?

I think I found a photo of Dona Sofia wearing the tiara with the diamond drop. Again one has to look closely to see it.

I can not help you with the Catalnia tiara. Apparently HM didn't wear it.

Bobby

 

[Principessa]

Bobby,
sorry, but I must object. Mantilla truly is the veil, lace or other. that is worn over the head and/or shoulders and is held in place by a hair comb.It is sometimes written in a confusing way under pictures.This I know for certain,I got few gorgeous lace mantillas from my family.

I'm so sorry for the mistake! I shou;d've done my homework before posting. So, is there a special name for the large combs the Catholic (Spanish) ladies use?

Bobby

now it is my turn to say, do not apologize, Bobby..thank God, nobody's perfect..otherwise this thread wouldn't be so lively and such a pleasure!
And to answer your question; yes, the name for the comb is "peineta".

fondly always
Liza

 

[Principessa]

LOL... here is one more tiara which I can't recall on any of the present Spanish ladies...if it is
in their possession of course. would anyone know please?

The tiara was made by Cartier in 1927 for Queen Ena. As far as I know, no one has worn it since the family's exile, so most likely it was sold.
A similar tiara was worn by Countess Marinne Bernadotte many years ago. There's at least one more similar tiara.
Queen Ena's version:

Bobby,thank you for this detailed picture! It shows it's all splendor.

 

[Principessa]

The aquamarine tiara of Queen Ena reminds me a lot of the Vladimir tiara that QEII wears with the pearls or the Cambridge emeralds!

As Bobby said, yes, it does very much, and here I post this to show it.
I also found this curious picture with the emeralds"in hiding"! I guess to angle the tiara is everything. Remember Queen Mary always wore it very"crown like"- very up right?
here also Grand duchess Vladimir wears it around her bun in a very unusual manner.

 

[Principessa]

I can't believe I found it!
Here are two portraits, one of La Chata, and the other of Queen Ena, both wearing the original design of La Chata tiara as it was intended by Mellerio of Paris in 1867. You have to focus a little,but you can see the diamond briolette laying in TMs hair.
Here is also Queen Victoria Eugenia "Catalania" tiara. Is there any more information on that one please?

I think I found a photo of Dona Sofia wearing the tiara with the diamond drop. Again one has to look closely to see it.

I can not help you with the Catalnia tiara. Apparently HM didn't wear it.

Bobby

Bobby, I see it well,and after seeing them all, it makes me think if there was ever a "mounting idea" behind this tiara, to make the diamond really hang down, as that would present it in it's best IMO..(I think I will have to suggest it to HMQ Sophia! LOL)

 

[LadyMaria]

The aquamarine tiara of Queen Ena reminds me a lot of the Vladimir tiara that QEII wears with the pearls or the Cambridge emeralds!

As Bobby said, yes, it does very much, and here I post this to show it.
I also found this curious picture with the emeralds"in hiding"! I guess to angle the tiara is everything. Remember Queen Mary always wore it very"crown like"- very up right?
here also Grand duchess Vladimir wears it around her bun in a very unusual manner.

On the picture of just the tiara, notice what the pearls are hanging from...almost looks like a diamond "ribbon" that goes behind the interlocking cirlces.

Now look at the picutre of GD Vladimir...that diamond "ribbon" along the top is not present.

So is this truly the same tiara?

 

[alexander1917]

The aquamarine tiara of Queen Ena reminds me a lot of the Vladimir tiara that QEII wears with the pearls or the Cambridge emeralds!

As Bobby said, yes, it does very much, and here I post this to show it.
I also found this curious picture with the emeralds"in hiding"! I guess to angle the tiara is everything. Remember Queen Mary always wore it very"crown like"- very up right?
here also Grand duchess Vladimir wears it around her bun in a very unusual manner.

here HM wore it empty during her baltic visit

and Queen Mary

and GD Maria Pavlovna

 

[JewelFreak]

Alexander, you posted that picture of the Queen wearing the tiara "empty" just seconds before I did -- hadn't seen it before, ever. How interesting. Neat that it's such a flexible piece, looks good with almost anything (besides being perfectly gorgeous all by itself). If you look closely at the photo where the emeralds are "hiding," you can see they are attached to the sort-of ribbon-like pieces, which appear to move with the drops, so they go behind the bigger loops when the emeralds fall backward. Also, the diamonds blend in with HM's hair a bit, color-wise. The other thing is, we know she doesn't have 2 of those, so it has to be the same one.

--- Laurie

 

[alexander1917]

I don't like the "empty" style of the Vladimir at all. It's just as if something is missing.
the pear or emerald drops are more moveable as one thing.
I just remember the spanish pearl (Merillo) when worn by Sophia some years ago - I never think of that this pearl drops are also moveable (thought of fixed design before I saw that wedding guests)
By the way it was the first time that HM wore the empty version.

 

[alexander1917]

here the 2 versions of the Vladimir during the BP summer openings (I saw both versions then).

 

[alexander1917]

here some pic of former owners of the Vladimir

QM and the Dehli necklace (without negligé pendants) - nothice the large emerald brooch on her sash. first time in public again during the BP summer opening and later worn for the first time by HM.

QM official pic to mark her 80th birthday (with the QA pearl drop brooch)

and an other version of the famous GD Vladimir pic

 

[alexander1917]

Some lovely photos and history of the Stuart Diamond Tiara is available at this website (sorry haven't figured out yet how to correctly cut and paste photos. http://www.royaldutchjewels.nl/House_Diamonds_Parure.htm

laurensmama, if I may...you can drag the pictures(if possible) by holding down your mouse onto your desktop,that way it becomes a Document on the Desktop and you will attach it from there.(click on as you go along:upload attachment-choose file-add file-submit)
hope it helps.
here just to refresh our last conversation topic ;few pictures from your link.Thank you again!

here a nice link for Netherlands jewels

http://www.royaldutchjewels.nl/index.htm

 

[prince.of.preslav]

On the picture of just the tiara, notice what the pearls are hanging from...almost looks like a diamond "ribbon" that goes behind the interlocking cirlces.

Now look at the picutre of GD Vladimir...that diamond "ribbon" along the top is not present.

So is this truly the same tiara?

A sharp eye you've got, Maria! Indeed in the old photo of Maria Pavlovna the ribbon that goes behind the circles is missing and she's wearing the tiara as a tight circle. I've nerer seen anyone ever wearing it like this again.
I believe (and maybe Alexander will correct me) that this was an early version of the Vladimir tiara and the diamond ribbon and the pearl drops were a later addition.
This kind of tiaras are really versatile and in Nedelhoffer's Cartier one can read about tiaras with interlocking circles: "Those of Cartier's free-moving tiaras which were worked in platinum could generally only be worn on the head with additional metal fittings. When these metal supports were removed, the tiaras could be turned int necklaces or even breast ornaments." He sais Cartier made 3 more such tiaras, after the original Valdimir tiara.
It is also possible that the Grand Duchess had the ribbor removed so that she could wear her tiara in a smaller version.
So, the answer to your question is Yes and No.

BTW, I once read that the pearls in the tiara originally belonged to Cathering the Great. Anyone knows if that's true?

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

This night I came across this video (see link) from former President da Silva's State Visit to Denmark in 2007. At the State Banquet HM wore a pendant I do not recognise. It looks like emeralds and diamonds, but is not from the parure. Does somebody know anything about it or has photos?
The video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRmywBjm3o&feature=related

Thanks in advance,
Bobby

 

[QueenShelly]

Diana had the long slender neck like Queen Mary.
They could wear those chokers and long necklaces together.

would it not be fun to try them all on

 

[Principessa]

The aquamarine tiara of Queen Ena reminds me a lot of the Vladimir tiara that QEII wears with the pearls or the Cambridge emeralds!

here also Grand duchess Vladimir wears it around her bun in a very unusual manner.

On the picture of just the tiara, notice what the pearls are hanging from...almost looks like a diamond "ribbon" that goes behind the interlocking cirlces.

Now look at the picutre of GD Vladimir...that diamond "ribbon" along the top is not present.

So is this truly the same tiara?

..Hmmm?? you are right! and that is a very good question, LadyMaria... I don't know if the ribbon is removable?
Can we find more pictures?

 

[alexander1917]

On the picture of just the tiara, notice what the pearls are hanging from...almost looks like a diamond "ribbon" that goes behind the interlocking cirlces.

Now look at the picutre of GD Vladimir...that diamond "ribbon" along the top is not present.

So is this truly the same tiara?

A sharp eye you've got, Maria! Indeed in the old photo of Maria Pavlovna the ribbon that goes behind the circles is missing and she's wearing the tiara as a tight circle. I've nerer seen anyone ever wearing it like this again.
I believe (and maybe Alexander will correct me) that this was an early version of the Vladimir tiara and the diamond ribbon and the pearl drops were a later addition.
This kind of tiaras are really versatile and in Nedelhoffer's Cartier one can read about tiaras with interlocking circles: "Those of Cartier's free-moving tiaras which were worked in platinum could generally only be worn on the head with additional metal fittings. When these metal supports were removed, the tiaras could be turned int necklaces or even breast ornaments." He sais Cartier made 3 more such tiaras, after the original Valdimir tiara.
It is also possible that the Grand Duchess had the ribbor removed so that she could wear her tiara in a smaller version.
So, the answer to your question is Yes and No.

BTW, I once read that the pearls in the tiara originally belonged to Cathering the Great. Anyone knows if that's true?

Bobby

thats not a earliy version of the tiara. GD Maria let it made in the 1890's from which is belived from an unkown russian jeweller (Cartier later cleaned the jewels and made 3 copies of it, which is said was the workmaster of the original one). It was altered for this costume ball - similar to the Devenshire ball when the Girls of great britian tiara was set into a smaler frame to form the smaller crown.

never heard that those are Catherines II pearls

 

[alexander1917]

This night I came across this video (see link) from former President da Silva's State Visit to Denmark in 2007. At the State Banquet HM wore a pendant I do not recognise. It looks like emeralds and diamonds, but is not from the parure. Does somebody know anything about it or has photos?
The video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNRmywBjm3o&feature=related

Thanks in advance,
Bobby

thats true, its set with emeralds Juvelerne I det danske kongehus - p 206 when I interprete the danish text corectly, it comes from Margarethe of Sweden