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ItsMainelyYou said:
I love the mounting on that cushion and I happen to also like pinkish red ruby so, I'm all about that one!:love: Is the picture accurate, or is it less/more pink to the eye? How much of the purple do you see?
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It's actually more of a purple-red in real life-- my phone is just terrible at capturing the colors accurately lol. That being said...there's a pretty big surface-reaching inclusion so I passed on it. The color and fluorescence are stunning though!

I'm currently torn between the bracelet and a cushion-cut loose ruby she showed me lol.

Autumn in New England said:
How awesome you met up with Inken! I'd love to play in her jewelry box.
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Inken's collection was amazing, and she was so kind about showing me a wonderful selection of her jewelry box :D

maru8888777 said:
What a great update! I'm glad the search is still on!
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Yes, it's on! I actually met with another seller in September, but didn't find anything that really stood out to me back then lol.
 
The bracelet is absolutely gorgeous. Will it bother you if all three stones are not perfectly matched in color? How was the loose ruby?
 
Ok so....I disappeared for a while, but I recently chatted again with a seller that I've bought from before, and she sent me videos/pictures of this 1.24ct unheated Burmese ruby:

Given the pricepoint of HKD305,000 (about USD38,000), what do you guys of the color saturation, intensity, and fluorescence in outdoor lighting? Is the face-up size too small for the price point? (about 5mm X 5mm)

https://imgur.com/a/dryIuHw
 
Lilith112 said:
Ok so....I disappeared for a while, but I recently chatted again with a seller that I've bought from before, and she sent me videos/pictures of this 1.24ct unheated Burmese ruby:

Given the pricepoint of HKD305,000 (about USD38,000), what do you guys of the color saturation, intensity, and fluorescence in outdoor lighting? Is the face-up size too small for the price point? (about 5mm X 5mm)

https://imgur.com/a/dryIuHw
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The color looks amazing and it also has the pigeons blood red designation from Gubelin which is a plus. But that price tag..... For a 1.xxct I'm shell shocked. Is this the going rate for rubies nowadays?:eek2:
 
The scintillation folk think what
is my curiosity.
Not necessarily thought on price, but desirability.
 
It is probably close to trade ideal. It does seem to be higher priced but not the most expensive per ct I've seen (that belongs to National Gemstone, and also Wildish Gems, from whom @VividRed had bought, I think). As far as I know, it's more expensive than rubies Enhoerning Jewelry had listed in the past, and I would ask Inken's opinion on what is currently available in the trade.

Would the seller be OK with submitting it to AGL for a Grading Report?
 
Well, you've been searching for true red and that's about as true as a red can get, at least from what I'm seeing on my screen. It looks basically identical regardless of if it's under the table or out in the sunlight. I'm pretty wowed by these videos.

And yes, it is tiny for that price. But I wouldn't know how to compare... I doubt there are many other such rubies out there. And when something is this unique, people can put even the most exorbitant of price tags on it and they would still someone willing to pay it.
 
icy_jade said:
It’s a bit too expensive?
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It IS within budget...but also for that face-up size, not sure about the pricetag frankly speaking lol?
 
icy_jade said:
With a Gubelin, no other cert is needed imo. It is the top ranked lab.
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Would Gubellin comment on the quality of the stone or simply ID it? I think to assess the price, the more info the better.
 
CBianco said:
The color looks amazing and it also has the pigeons blood red designation from Gubelin which is a plus. But that price tag..... For a 1.xxct I'm shell shocked. Is this the going rate for rubies nowadays?:eek2:
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Ahahahaha I mean I know the going rate is high; I think USD20,000-25,000 is standard now, but this one is USD31348.84/ct so a bit above...but also this is colored gemstone markets and rubies are always in demand

Rfisher said:
The scintillation folk think what
is my curiosity.
Not necessarily thought on price, but desirability.
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Same here!

voce said:
It is probably close to trade ideal. It does seem to be higher priced but not the most expensive per ct I've seen (that belongs to National Gemstone, and also Wildish Gems, from whom @VividRed had bought, I think). As far as I know, it's more expensive than rubies Enhoerning Jewelry had listed in the past, and I would ask Inken's opinion on what is currently available in the trade.

Would the seller be OK with submitting it to AGL for a Grading Report?
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Ohhhh I see I see!

I'm also considering a 1.08ct from Inken; smaller carat size but bigger face-up; would you say this one is comparable to the 1.24ct? https://www.enhoerning-jewelry.com/loosegemstones/108-burma-mogok-ruby-pb

icy_jade said:
With a Gubelin, no other cert is needed imo. It is the top ranked lab.
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What do you think about the color tone and saturation?

Avondale said:
Well, you've been searching for true red and that's about as true as a red can get, at least from what I'm seeing on my screen. It looks basically identical regardless of if it's under the table or out in the sunlight. I'm pretty wowed by these videos.

And yes, it is tiny for that price. But I wouldn't know how to compare... I doubt there are many other such rubies out there. And when something is this unique, people can put even the most exorbitant of price tags on it and they would still someone willing to pay it.
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Yeah and I'm also trying to figure out if my feelings about the face-up size should be considered an "issue" lol-- as you said, on one hand, rubies of this quality can probs command just about any price. On the other hand...for a 1.24ct, it has a kinda long "butt" which is why the face-up is tiny and closer to a 1ct
 
voce said:
Would Gubellin comment on the quality of the stone or simply ID it? I think to assess the price, the more info the better.
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Gubelin has only IDed it; no additional commentary on the quality.
 
Lilith112 said:
Ok so....I disappeared for a while, but I recently chatted again with a seller that I've bought from before, and she sent me videos/pictures of this 1.24ct unheated Burmese ruby:

Given the pricepoint of HKD305,000 (about USD38,000), what do you guys of the color saturation, intensity, and fluorescence in outdoor lighting? Is the face-up size too small for the price point? (about 5mm X 5mm)

https://imgur.com/a/dryIuHw
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I'm glad you're back, so excited!
 
voce said:
It is probably close to trade ideal. It does seem to be higher priced but not the most expensive per ct I've seen (that belongs to National Gemstone, and also Wildish Gems, from whom @VividRed had bought, I think). As far as I know, it's more expensive than rubies Enhoerning Jewelry had listed in the past, and I would ask Inken's opinion on what is currently available in the trade.

Would the seller be OK with submitting it to AGL for a Grading Report?
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National gemstone had a similar stone of 1ct, I paid 10k after discount.

Wildfish had another 1ct, not quite trade ideal but ideal to me, 13k after discount.

Here we are in ridiculous territory.

Then again, can you find a similar one for less? Probably not…
 
Lilith112 said:
Ahahahaha I mean I know the going rate is high; I think USD20,000-25,000 is standard now, but this one is USD31348.84/ct so a bit above...but also this is colored gemstone markets and rubies are always in demand


Same here!


Ohhhh I see I see!

I'm also considering a 1.08ct from Inken; smaller carat size but bigger face-up; would you say this one is comparable to the 1.24ct? https://www.enhoerning-jewelry.com/loosegemstones/108-burma-mogok-ruby-pb


What do you think about the color tone and saturation?


Yeah and I'm also trying to figure out if my feelings about the face-up size should be considered an "issue" lol-- as you said, on one hand, rubies of this quality can probs command just about any price. On the other hand...for a 1.24ct, it has a kinda long "butt" which is why the face-up is tiny and closer to a 1ct
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Well, when I compare it to the one Inken has (let's call that the 1.08), I think the 1.24 looks silkier and intense. It could be the lighting, so I would be curious to see the 1.08 in ideal lighting. It could be that the 1.24 is a deeper cut and has more weight on the bottom, but I also think the 1.08 has a window because it's a little too shallow to prevent a window. The 1.08 is probably from an antique, as in past decades people did not do precision cuts but would cut for the largest face-up size. Despite the window, I think the 1.08 has a more transparent crystal, so I would expect more sparkles. If money were not a consideration, it comes down to whether you would prefer silk to scintillation. With the difference in the price, however, I wonder if the silk is worth 33% more from you. You can easily have the 1.08ct set in a custom jewelry piece for the price of the loose stone of the 1.24ct ruby.

Decisions, decisions. If I had the budget, I might possibly get both!
VividRed said:
National gemstone had a similar stone of 1ct, I paid 10k after discount.

Wildfish had another 1ct, not quite trade ideal but ideal to me, 13k after discount.

Here we are in ridiculous territory.

Then again, can you find a similar one for less? Probably not…
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That's substantially less than my impressions! I never inquired, as the ones I've liked on their websites when I was looking back in 2019 were $20k+ per ct, and so now I figure they must be north of $30k per ct.
 
VividRed said:
National gemstone had a similar stone of 1ct, I paid 10k after discount.

Wildfish had another 1ct, not quite trade ideal but ideal to me, 13k after discount.

Here we are in ridiculous territory.

Then again, can you find a similar one for less? Probably not…
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I was waiting for your post! Same and same.
 
The color... it just doesn't get any better, IMO. That is a picture-perfect red ruby, and it gave my heart the flutters for sure. Naturally, this is a glamour-shot video, so you'd need to see it in different lightings and more clearly, if possible. But, as others have mentioned, if it comes with a "pigeon's blood" designation from Gubelin... I think you can trust your eyes. It's a little more silky than I would prefer (in an ideal world), but it wouldn't deter me one bit. We're just splitting hairs at this point. That being said, the weight/size to price ratio is pretty staggering. That's almost $31k/carat for under 1.25ct. :shock: Is that the premium on Burmese origin these days? In any event, it's posts like this which remind me that ruby is undoubtedly my favorite gemstone. I've strayed in the past, but I always come back! I'll never understand the uber rich elite or celebs who continue to buy diamond engagement rings when they could have a 9ct. version of this baby.
 
Autumn in New England said:
The color... it just doesn't get any better, IMO. That is a picture-perfect red ruby, and it gave my heart the flutters for sure. Naturally, this is a glamour-shot video, so you'd need to see it in different lightings and more clearly, if possible. But, as others have mentioned, if it comes with a "pigeon's blood" designation from Gubelin... I think you can trust your eyes. It's a little more silky than I would prefer (in an ideal world), but it wouldn't deter me one bit. We're just splitting hairs at this point. That being said, the weight/size to price ratio is pretty staggering. That's almost $31k/carat for under 1.25ct. :shock: Is that the premium on Burmese origin these days? In any event, it's posts like this which remind me that ruby is undoubtedly my favorite gemstone. I've strayed in the past, but I always come back! I'll never understand the uber rich elite or celebs who continue to buy diamond engagement rings when they could have a 9ct. version of this baby.
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If I were uber rich elite, I'd probably want to baby a 9ct version of this beautiful ruby. Diamonds? They're replaceable, available anytime, therefore I don't need to worry about damaging them.

Edit: the above was stated on a hypothetical premise, and IRL I am not rich and can't afford to damage diamonds.
 
@Lilith112 to be clear, I said that the 1.24 is close to trade ideal because of the noticeable silk. It would probably imo be graded MI by AGL Prestige Grading Report (my own 10x loupe-clean(!) ruby was graded MI iirc by AGL Grading) instead of LI. The color itself is trade ideal imo, just not the clarity/transparency, which in theory could be a tad better, though not by much.
 
Well if you had a stone of that quality wouldn’t you also cut it for maximum weight preservation? :D And yes, the face up size being too small can totally be an issue for you. You’re allowed to want a bigger ruby, especially with a generous budget, you know? It’s a matter of, do you like everything else about this stone enough to be able to overlook the small size and the biiiig price tag.
 
VividRed said:
National gemstone had a similar stone of 1ct, I paid 10k after discount.

Wildfish had another 1ct, not quite trade ideal but ideal to me, 13k after discount.

Here we are in ridiculous territory.

Then again, can you find a similar one for less? Probably not…
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Ohhh I see....on one hand, the price does seem a bit high....but the color...but the face up lol


voce said:
Well, when I compare it to the one Inken has (let's call that the 1.08), I think the 1.24 looks silkier and intense. It could be the lighting, so I would be curious to see the 1.08 in ideal lighting. It could be that the 1.24 is a deeper cut and has more weight on the bottom, but I also think the 1.08 has a window because it's a little too shallow to prevent a window. The 1.08 is probably from an antique, as in past decades people did not do precision cuts but would cut for the largest face-up size. Despite the window, I think the 1.08 has a more transparent crystal, so I would expect more sparkles. If money were not a consideration, it comes down to whether you would prefer silk to scintillation. With the difference in the price, however, I wonder if the silk is worth 33% more from you. You can easily have the 1.08ct set in a custom jewelry piece for the price of the loose stone of the 1.24ct ruby.

Decisions, decisions. If I had the budget, I might possibly get both!
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In an ideal world, I'd def get both lol!

Thank uou for providing such a detailed analysis of the 1.08 vs the 1.24! So the other plus with the 1.08 ct one is I've seen it in person! Granted I saw it on rainy day, but I remember the color was still a bright true red with some silk- if there was a window, it did not bother me enough to stand out. Hmmm do you think it's worth reaching out to Inken and asking for some bright sunlight pictures for a more 1:1 comparison?

Autumn in New England said:
The color... it just doesn't get any better, IMO. That is a picture-perfect red ruby, and it gave my heart the flutters for sure. Naturally, this is a glamour-shot video, so you'd need to see it in different lightings and more clearly, if possible. But, as others have mentioned, if it comes with a "pigeon's blood" designation from Gubelin... I think you can trust your eyes. It's a little more silky than I would prefer (in an ideal world), but it wouldn't deter me one bit. We're just splitting hairs at this point. That being said, the weight/size to price ratio is pretty staggering. That's almost $31k/carat for under 1.25ct. :shock: Is that the premium on Burmese origin these days? In any event, it's posts like this which remind me that ruby is undoubtedly my favorite gemstone. I've strayed in the past, but I always come back! I'll never understand the uber rich elite or celebs who continue to buy diamond engagement rings when they could have a 9ct. version of this baby.
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The color is definitely stunner!!! If it is a bit silky....well it's not a negative for my personal preference, I suppose it's more a pricing thing because frankly speaking, I expect trade ideal perfection for this asking price lol.

voce said:
@Lilith112 to be clear, I said that the 1.24 is close to trade ideal because of the noticeable silk. It would probably imo be graded MI by AGL Prestige Grading Report (my own 10x loupe-clean(!) ruby was graded MI iirc by AGL Grading) instead of LI. The color itself is trade ideal imo, just not the clarity/transparency, which in theory could be a tad better, though not by much.
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Ahhhh I see- let me follow up with Karina about the silkiness and any inclusions!

Avondale said:
Well if you had a stone of that quality wouldn’t you also cut it for maximum weight preservation? :D And yes, the face up size being too small can totally be an issue for you. You’re allowed to want a bigger ruby, especially with a generous budget, you know? It’s a matter of, do you like everything else about this stone enough to be able to overlook the small size and the biiiig price tag.
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Ahahaha yeah I'm a bit torn...I think I woud be fine with a liiiittle window for this color saturation given the pricing lol
 
voce said:
@Lilith112 to be clear, I said that the 1.24 is close to trade ideal because of the noticeable silk. It would probably imo be graded MI by AGL Prestige Grading Report (my own 10x loupe-clean(!) ruby was graded MI iirc by AGL Grading) instead of LI. The color itself is trade ideal imo, just not the clarity/transparency, which in theory could be a tad better, though not by much.
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LOL on you comment re AGL clarity :D

I have an almost loupe clean Mozambique ruby that AGL graded LI2.

You literally have to look hard to find the minuscule inclusion with the loupe. And you only see it if light hits it just right. AGL is really strict!
 
ok update- the 1.24ct has an indentation in it which is... bit of a dealbreaker lol
 
Lilith112 said:
ok update- the 1.24ct has an indentation in it which is... bit of a dealbreaker lol
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Are you discussing this with “thegemcollector” on IG?
 
This is a really fun thread. I look forward to more updates!
 
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