Still no ring

[hlmr]

Date: 3/30/2006 5:24:01 PM
Author: KristyDarling
Ugh, thanks for sharing the whole, sordid story. It must be painful just typing it out! I agree that maybe all this happened for a reason....just a long, roundabout way to your ''true'' e-ring that is still awaiting you, somewhere out there. Try to enjoy the e-ring shopping, do you think your fiance will be able to handle going with you, given his emotional state about this whole thing?

Is FBIL your Fiance''s brother? Shouldn''t he be angry with HIM for giving you the reference to the crook in the first place??

That''s totally what I was thinking!!! You went with a referral from his family, so how can he be angry with you?

I am so sorry Ally that this has gone so badly for you. I do hope things progress smoothly with the insurance company and you can begin a new search for a perfect ring!

Heather

 

[msdarlinjoy]

Ally

...

I am so very sorry Ally

... It is very dissapointing & disgusting that there are sleazy creeps

out there preying on good, wonderful, vulnerable people.

Would it help any if I gathered up a few of us PS women

and we just casually nail his sorry a$$ (or we could hang him by his nards) to a tree with an electric staple gun, and then graciously drizzle honey all over his naked body and then accidently release about a million or so red fire ants? We could also help ourselves and release a few hundred bees, and possibly a can full of hornets too!

I think we could also go and borrow FBIL and take him for a ride and spray him down with some phermones ... and accidently throw his a$$ into the Gorrilla cage, and polietly introduce hime to a very horny Gorrilla!

Ally, I would not wish your experience on anyone, you have been thru the wringer girl! Your boyfriend may be a lil'' upset, but I bet he is upset about the situation overall.

I pray that you will be able to find peace, and that you and your boyfriend can get past this horrid event in your lives. Remeber the love you both share for eachother, and draw from that strength to get you both thru this.

I am truely sorry! Hugs and take care,
MDJ

 

[radiantlover]

Oh Ally, I'm so sorry about the ring!

I can't believe this happened to you. I agree with the others...I think you should stay FAR away from pave rings! maybe get another ring that's completely different...sort of like a fesh start!

Can you please tell me the name of the jeweler? I wish we were allowed PMs!!!

I just want to make sure no one I know gets conned by him.

Thanks,
radiantlover

 

[allycat0303]

Rascal, Tacori, Mara, Mssalvo, Kristy Darling, Shay, MissGotRocks, Curlygirl, Anchor, Flopkins, Aldj, Hlmr, Canuck-gal, Gailrmv, Lorelei, Firegoddess, Portoar, Lovey, Forloveofdiamonds, Butterfly, Matatora,

Thank you all for the kind words during this ordeal. It's so good to have a diamond obsessed cray forum that can get you through a mess like this.

Am I mad at FBIL? I want to be because I don't like him, but he's not responsible because he didn't make me go to see this man, he just suggested. I also don't think he did it on purpose. This is someone his family has a long history of dealing with (they are much more jewelery oriented people then us) and I honestly don't think he wanted to hurt me.

I'm not saying that this was my fault, but I definitely could have avoided it if I had been more cautious. Which I wasn't. When I first got my ring I was HYPER over it, didn't want to leave it with ANYONE. Sending the diamond was scary, etc. but then when nothing bad was happening I relaxed my guard. Even more so when I got a reference. And to be honest, I was thrilled to get a reference from someone that would prevent me from driving down to the US.

My boyfriend is mad at me, because he thinks FBIL is an idiot. And he doesn't think I am. Plus from the very beginning he was insisting that I send the ring to Leon, but I'm the one that insisted on trying locally. I hope he gets over it though.

Well as Oprah says "When you know better, you do better"

Radiant Lover: PM would be good too. Suffice to say that this is an elderly man (over 65) and anglophone (already unusual), spoke french with a very heavy english accent called me "petit madame"

. His office was unlike our appraiser which you remember had a prominent love for comfort and diamonds, with A LOT of his credentials in full display. Remember how ours was part of the Ordre des bijoutiers du Quebec? Had the GIA and EGL stuff....this guy had none of that stuff on the walls or anything. If you stick with our original guy you should be fine.

I'm supposed to go to school today, I have a full day of classes and instead I'm contemplating going ring shopping. Bad Ally

. I'm going to try and stay away from pave...Jeez but I love the look. If I do decide to go custom, I would have it done locally. I don't mind losing a diamond. I mind shipping it to the US, crossing the border all this stuff. I really wouldn't care if all I had to do was pop over to a jeweler in Montreal and have it fixed. We'll see. ARG. PM would be good.

Mara: I was looking through old posts concerning my stone, and as you know, I don't know much about crown angles., etc., and I came across a post way back when and you mentioned (before I bought the stone) that you didn't like the crown angle

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/diamond-headache.29431/

Anyways, I eventually got that stone and loved it, can you tell me what the effects of my particular crown angle would have on the stone? When we went over it a second time, Aldj suggested this stone again, and for some reason we fell in love with it. I want my new stone to look exactly like my old stone....bear in mind though I've haven't seen that many in my life, so maybe I would be wowed by a different look.

 

[Lorelei]

Ally, please don''t beat yourself up. We all make mistakes, all you did was trust and it isn''t your fault you were so unlucky as to hand your ring over to a crook. You DESERVE to go looking at rings!

 

[PaulaW]

Oh Ally... I just saw all of this. I am SO, so sorry for you. My heart just aches for you and your Fiance. I really hope something good comes from all of this and you find a new ring that you''ll love even more. It''s a hard lesson learned unfortunately, but you''re strong and you''ll be stronger for having suffered through this.
Good luck in finding a new ring to love.

 

[Boom]

Dear Ally,

I am so sorry about the utterly horrible experience you are going through. Your ring was one of the biggest reasons I decided to take the plunge with Leon, but it seems like it has given you so much heartache... Please don''t blame yourself in anyway over this. Like Lorelei said, it''s just bad luck that this guy turned out to be a crook.

I hope you find a new ring that makes your heart sing!

 

[Scintillating]

I''m so sorry Ally. I''m so sorry this happened to you. Don''t beat yourself up - you weren''t the only person who was conned - there is no permanent damage, neither you nor your FI were physically harmed so everything is really okay, or will be. It''s so sad how careful you have to be these days. I feel bad for honest jewelers, guys like that *scum-bag* make people really afraid to do business with anyone.

(Question, not to go backwards or anything but, why does the search for your ring have to end just because it''s been sold? Shouldn''t the pawn shop have records on who it was sold to? Aren''t they required to? Like Ally said can''t they just follow the credit card? I just don''t get it.)

Scintillating...

 

[Shay37]

Date: 3/31/2006 10:40:43 AM
Author: Scintillating
I''m so sorry Ally. I''m so sorry this happened to you. Don''t beat yourself up - you weren''t the only person who was conned - there is no permanent damage, neither you nor your FI were physically harmed so everything is really okay, or will be. It''s so sad how careful you have to be these days. I feel bad for honest jewelers, guys like that *scum-bag* make people really afraid to do business with anyone.

(Question, not to go backwards or anything but, why does the search for your ring have to end just because it''s been sold? Shouldn''t the pawn shop have records on who it was sold to? Aren''t they required to? Like Ally said can''t they just follow the credit card? I just don''t get it.)

Scintillating...

Well, here is what I was alluding to. I''ll just say it. There is no way a regular pawn shop moved two rings anywhere close to that value in a week. This place was a fence for high end merchandise. They specialize in stolen, and when something comes in, they move it quickly to known sources willing to pay. There probably is no paper trail to follow here. That is the sad and unfortunate truth. A regular pawn shop would have held those items for a set period of time for reclamation by the person who pawned them. A fence tries to get stolen property out of their hands quickly and without a paper trail.

shay

 

[gailrmv]

Ally,
Just wanted to say that I am thinking of you. And seeing the other thread about FBIL, I am so sorry that you have gone through so much difficult stuff in just the past few months. I am glad that you also have a lot of positive things like your career and the engagement to focus on. Good luck with the ring search.

Another thought regarding the FBIL - this is not the same thing, but my good friend has been dating (for several years) a guy that very bad for a number of reasons. I don''t even want to get started on how upset it makes me to see an otherwise very smart person get used by this guy. When I expressed my concern it only drove a wedge between us. I feel like the best thing I can do is to be a good friend. But it definitely is hard to stand back and see someone (especially your sister) in the situation and know that you can''t do anything. I hope that she will see the light before something even worse happens...

Gail

 

[Mara]

Ally, I just don''t particularly like higher crown angles like 35 degrees...to me they look different visually than something like a 34.6 or a 34.8 angled stone. My earrings are higher crown angles and my rings have typically been lower than 35. It''s just a personal preference for a ring to have crown angles under 35 for me.

Here''s something for you to consider also, my old 1.29c stone and this 1.60c stone I have now have basically almost the exact same specs from table/depth/angles but they look very different to my eye. Could be the lower girdle facets, but basically this 1.6c looks better than the 1.29c for me...not like one didn''t perform and one did, but something about this 1.6c seems ''crisper'' in a way. Anyway, that just goes to show that not even having the same specs on a Sarin means you will get the same look in a stone. So I would caution to say, find a stone that speaks to you and is beautiful but if it doesn''t perform EXACTLY the same way, don''t toss it out of the running, give youself some time with the contender etc.

Stones have their own personalities and I tend to think no two are alike! Have fun looking for the new stone and I hope soon you can put all this unpleastness out of your mind and enjoy your new stone and setting with no problems!!

 

[sevens one]

geez- I''m so very sorry Ally

 

[squarediamondlove]

Hi Ally,

I just read up on what has happened to you with you e-ring and I just feel so terrible over the whole thing. Its like some kind of a bad nightmare! There is no point in blaming yourself over it and I hope that you guys can get through this together. If nothing else, this experience has taught you to be more cautiouse next time. I myself tend to be very naive about these things and my FI is the cautious one, so don't feel bad b/c it could have happened to anyone of us. My heart goes out to you ally!

 

[blueroses]

OH. mY. GOD.



Alley, I have just gotten caught up on this and I feel like I''ve been punched in the stomach, I can only imagine how you have felt. This is absolutely devastating. I''m floored. (And I also can''t believe that pawned goods could be sold so quickly there--in the US I believe they have to wait 30 days to be claimed first.)

At any rate, I am SO TERRIBLY sorry, belately, for this CRIMINAL chain of events. It''s just awful. I am thinking of you and your FI. YOU POOR BABY!!!!

 

[HOUMedGal]

Ally, I too just caught up with your story, and I wanted to express my sympathy!! I know this has been really tough, and I''m glad you''ve finally got some closure (even if it wasn''t the kind of closure you wanted.) I can''t wait to see what you decide to do for your new, fresh start!

 

[moon river]

So sorry Ally. People are so mean.

 

[Kaleigh]

OH Ally,
I just got back from vacation to read your horrible story. I am sooooooo sorry. Please don''t beat yourself up. Go look at settings and have fun looking for a new stone. {{{[ Biggest hugs to you}}}} I just can''t tell you enough how sorry I am.

 

[Sundial]

Just got caught up on this thread and wanted to say how sorry I am for all your troubles Ally. What a nightmare! I hope you find something new and wonderful.

 

[dani13]

I dont know how I missed this thread Ally, but I just read up, and I am SO SO sorry! Nothing but trouble with that ring from the beginning...what a scumbag that guy is! Please remember that none of this is your fault. I hope you find a new ring that will make you so happy that you can forget about this nightmare and move on...Good luck!

 

[jetmal]

wow, Ally, it is soooooo NOT YOUR FAULT!!! I hoep the catch that guy and nail his "you know whats" to the wall!

please try to enjoy shopping for a new ring.....you may just come out in the end a very happy camper!

 

[Leila]

Ally, I''m so sorry to hear about your stolen ring. You''ve been through so much and now this! It''s so not right! If your ring doesn''t find it''s way back to you, I hope you will find an even more beautiful diamond (if that is possible!) and a super fabulous worry-free setting to enjoy, in no time at all. I think you''ve run out of bad luck now, it''s time for a lot good luck to come your way! **HUGS**

 

[radiantlover]

Date: 3/31/2006 6:52:33 AM
Author: allycat0303

Radiant Lover: PM would be good too. Suffice to say that this is an elderly man (over 65) and anglophone (already unusual), spoke french with a very heavy english accent called me ''petit madame''

. His office was unlike our appraiser which you remember had a prominent love for comfort and diamonds, with A LOT of his credentials in full display. Remember how ours was part of the Ordre des bijoutiers du Quebec? Had the GIA and EGL stuff....this guy had none of that stuff on the walls or anything. If you stick with our original guy you should be fine.

I''m supposed to go to school today, I have a full day of classes and instead I''m contemplating going ring shopping. Bad Ally

. I''m going to try and stay away from pave...Jeez but I love the look. If I do decide to go custom, I would have it done locally. I don''t mind losing a diamond. I mind shipping it to the US, crossing the border all this stuff. I really wouldn''t care if all I had to do was pop over to a jeweler in Montreal and have it fixed. We''ll see. ARG. PM would be good.

Hey Ally!,

Welll I never actually visited our appraiser...my FI went by himself. But if you are contemplating getting your ring made locally I do have a couple of jewelers i can recommend that my family/friends have gone to. They were very happy with their settings and diamonds. However I don''t think the diamonds will be the same quality. i think in general the prices will be more expensive here in Mtl. I''m currently shopping for a bead-set eternity wedding band and the best prices are from the US vendors (web-based)...and I *know* the diamonds will be better quality.

My cousins had their e-rings and w-bands made here: www.exaurum.com and dealt with Gino. I''ve spoken to Gino a few times and he''s very nice. My FI found a w-band he really liked there so we''ll be buying it from there...unfortunately I won''t be buying my eternity band from there since it was ~$500 more than what WF and Facets quoted me. One of my cousins w-bands are similar to the Brad/Jen''s w-bands with the diamonds on the sides...and a couple diamonds have fallen out. Well Gino just fixed and replaced them at no charge! that''s service!

A friend of mine got her ring made at this other jeweler and it was beautiful (wedding was called off)...I''ve never been there nor ever dealt with them: Delmar Mfg. Jewelers 875-4800.

I love ring shopping! let me know if you need a 2nd opinion!

I''m not far from McGill (work upstairs in PVM).

Good luck!

 

[tawn]

I trust that you''ll end up with a wonderful ending to this sad story...and you can fall in love with a new ring and live happily ever after with your ring....and I supposed happy ever after with your guy would be appropriate as well!

 

[anchor31]

Radiant Lover: PM would be good too. Suffice to say that this is an elderly man (over 65) and anglophone (already unusual), spoke french with a very heavy english accent called me "petit madame" . His office was unlike our appraiser which you remember had a prominent love for comfort and diamonds, with A LOT of his credentials in full display. Remember how ours was part of the Ordre des bijoutiers du Quebec? Had the GIA and EGL stuff....this guy had none of that stuff on the walls or anything. If you stick with our original guy you should be fine.

I''m supposed to go to school today, I have a full day of classes and instead I''m contemplating going ring shopping. Bad Ally . I''m going to try and stay away from pave...Jeez but I love the look. If I do decide to go custom, I would have it done locally. I don''t mind losing a diamond. I mind shipping it to the US, crossing the border all this stuff. I really wouldn''t care if all I had to do was pop over to a jeweler in Montreal and have it fixed. We''ll see. ARG. PM would be good.

Thanks for sharing this Ally, I''ve been wondering who this guy is too!! I hope you''ll find another ring that you''ll adore without too much hassle. I''m a bit frustrated with the quality/prices I saw in Montréal when I went shopping, so I know how you feel!

 

[slammie]

Oh Ally! I can''t believe this!! At first I thought it was an aprils fools joke. After all those probs with the stones falling out and now this!! What a lowlife scumbag!!!
I truly hope you will find a stone that will call out to you like your old one and a gorgeous setting that won''t give you any headaches. Keep us posted and {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}

 

[allycat0303]

Radiant, Anchor, Kaliegh, Leila, Slammie, Tawn, Jetmal, Dani, Sundial, Moonriver, Houmedgal, Kaleidoscopic, Sevens one:

Thank you for all the kind words. You''ll be happy to know that I have began the process of filing the insurance claim, and so far it appears that the company is going to be cooperative. I spoke to the police yesturday (I needed to get a copy of the police report) and he told me that my ring wasn''t necessarily GONE, however, that my insurance company, La capitale, has a shorter grace period of claims then does others. So even though they would probably honor my clain if it was filed after 30 days, I shouldn''t give then any ammunition to deny the claim.

So when I spoke to him he said that this is a very long process, and that there was actually still hope, because the individual in question (pawn shop owner) is known for criminal activity In addition, the other ring that is missing, is very expensive (30 K +)....yes I checked what size diamond that would be with the option ontop

Therefore, the police have a high intrest in resolving this matter, because the woman''s insurance company is not thrilled at having to pay out.

I don''t know why they go back and forth, giving me hope again, but I suppose this is what''s meant by "still open" GRRR! I feel like I am back to square 1.

Radiant: Seriously, if there were a few more Montreal girls, we could do a get together. I would just DIE to see your ring. DIE! I''ve never seen a radiant in real life. You work near Mcgill? That''s cool. What company (you can describe the building if you want and I''ll know). I''m at the University of Montreal...but I spend a lot of time at the Blackerwood library at Mcgill.

 

[anchor31]

Date: 4/4/2006 7:15:51 AM
Author: allycat0303

Radiant, Anchor, Kaliegh, Leila, Slammie, Tawn, Jetmal, Dani, Sundial, Moonriver, Houmedgal, Kaleidoscopic, Sevens one:

Thank you for all the kind words. You''ll be happy to know that I have began the process of filing the insurance claim, and so far it appears that the company is going to be cooperative. I spoke to the police yesturday (I needed to get a copy of the police report) and he told me that my ring wasn''t necessarily GONE, however, that my insurance company, La capitale, has a shorter grace period of claims then does others. So even though they would probably honor my clain if it was filed after 30 days, I shouldn''t give then any ammunition to deny the claim.

So when I spoke to him he said that this is a very long process, and that there was actually still hope, because the individual in question (pawn shop owner) is known for criminal activity In addition, the other ring that is missing, is very expensive (30 K +)....yes I checked what size diamond that would be with the option ontop

Therefore, the police have a high intrest in resolving this matter, because the woman''s insurance company is not thrilled at having to pay out.

I don''t know why they go back and forth, giving me hope again, but I suppose this is what''s meant by ''still open'' GRRR! I feel like I am back to square 1.

Radiant: Seriously, if there were a few more Montreal girls, we could do a get together. I would just DIE to see your ring. DIE! I''ve never seen a radiant in real life. You work near Mcgill? That''s cool. What company (you can describe the building if you want and I''ll know). I''m at the University of Montreal...but I spend a lot of time at the Blackerwood library at Mcgill.

I''m glad to know things are progressing!! I feel sorry for the other woman who got her ring stolen too...

As for a get together, I''ll be home in a month. I''m not sure if I''ll get a job in Montreal, but I''ll be going to school there in September at any rate (and I''ll be engaged by then!

). A get together would be fun!

 

[ivanadiamond]

OH Alley~

Huge Hugs to you!!!

I just caught up with your story, and I wanted to express my sympathy. I really hope something good comes from all of this. My grandma always said, "the best sense is bought sense", but I am so so sorry you had to go through this all~!

Hope you find a new fabulous ring!

 

[AndyRosse]

Oh Ally, I keep checking to see if the police have found your ring...But I''m glad that things are progressing, and your insurance company is being cooperative.

 

[radiantlover]

Date: 4/4/2006 7:15:51 AM
Author: allycat0303

Radiant: Seriously, if there were a few more Montreal girls, we could do a get together. I would just DIE to see your ring. DIE! I''ve never seen a radiant in real life. You work near Mcgill? That''s cool. What company (you can describe the building if you want and I''ll know). I''m at the University of Montreal...but I spend a lot of time at the Blackerwood library at Mcgill.

Hey Ally,

Sure if there are a few more Mtl girls, we should have a get-together...my friends usually find me weird when I talk about diamonds!

I work in the PVM building...upstairs in the corporate offices (for one of the bigger banks)....I think that should give you a hint as to which company I work for!

Hopefully the police can find more info on your ring! Let us know how it goes!

Radiantlover