The Official TTC Thread!

[peonygirl]

Sunkist, I''m afraid that I just might not know.

At least for certain. I''m looking for very, very subtle changes in the darkness of the line, even if I take them at the same time and drink the same amount of water. For example, yesterday DH asked me if mine had been positive and I said, "well, yes and no. It was slightly darker than it has been for the last couple of days, but I drank somewhat less water than I usually do but not a lot less. However, it was later in the day (3pm), and I find that my LH tends to peak around 11am. On the other hand, it was light initially and didn''t get darker until about minute 6, but it was within the 10 minute time limit." Then DH was like, "you are cracking me up, do you need to make a Venn diagram or a pro and con chart for this?" So, we try to have a sense of humor about it! We did BD last night, so we''ll see. And we''re still enjoying seckytime a lot despite all of the charting and tracking, so yay.

I WISH that my CM was clearer, but although I do check it seems to vary from hour to hour, let alone day to day. It has increased in quantity since I''ve been drinking more water, but the month that I got pregnant it wasn''t clear either (and it never got egg-whitey; it was at best watery). I almost wonder if I should get one of those Clear Blue Fertility monitors people around here like since they give a categorical instead of a continuous reading. But they are very pricey and expensive to buy strips for, especially for someone with super long cycles. We''ll see!

Oh gosh fisher, we''re going through almost the same thing! I think that a drop at 2DPO wouldn''t make sense (although a drop at 5-11 days would be more along the lines of an implantation dip!)

I have my fingers crossed for you girl!

 

[peonygirl]

We're pulling for you Sha!

What day do you think you might test (if you'll test)? If you're taking suggestions, I vote for a FRER at 12DPO.

 

[Festy]

Hi Ladies,

Thought I''d drop in to say hi and offer my support to Peony and Fisher who are doing the waiting-to-O dance. What a b*tch and a half. Fisher, thanks for posting your chart - I miss those around here, ya know? Like you say, I think even if you were to get crosshairs tomorrow you may have to take them with a grain of salt, based on your past history. Does that make me a big Debbie Downer?

Sha, I hear you on not feeling pregnant. I''m also starting to experience some minor cramping early in my 2ww and for ME, that usually means not preggo. How would I know since I''ve never been preggo, you might ask?

I didn''t post about this, but last cycle for a solid week after O, starting at 4 DPO, I was nauseous for a bit every day. Then about 3 days before AF was due the nausea stopped and the cramps started. AF was a day late for the first time ever, and now I wonder if it was a chemical. I never tested. While part of me wishes I had, the cramps were devasting enough. I''m not sure I could''ve handled a BFP followed by AF. I know it is something we live to tell about, Peony most recently and so gracefully, but still.

 

[so cal girl]

Okay, I''m delurking to ask a couple of quick (and maybe stupid) questions. We''ve only been trying for 3 months, and I''m not temping, so I don''t know all of the specifics. I tried using an OPK this month. I got a smiley face (signaling an LH surge) on CD 18. Does that mean that that is my O day? Or is the next day my O day? Also, I know there is a common reference to the TWW. But do you actually have to wait 14 DPO to test?

I also wanted to thank all of you to contribute to this thread. Even though I only lurk, it is reassuring to have other people going through the same things I am going through. You are like my little support group without even knowing it!

 

[Sha]

Date: 1/15/2009 10:05:24 AM
Author: peonygirl
We''re pulling for you Sha!

What day do you think you might test (if you''ll test)? If you''re taking suggestions, I vote for a FRER at 12DPO.

Thanks,

. I was thinking I would love to test by 12 dpo and get this wait over with already..(FF has me testing next week Friday...no way!!)...but I don''t have a single pg test anywhere in my house. And it''s really uncomfortable to get them at the store... I live on a small island where everybody knows everybody else.. so there''s no anonymity at all. I''d rather not have the ladies behind the counter know that I''m trying....kwim? None of their business. Plus, for some strange reason, they keep the pg tests behind the pharmacy counter, instead of in the general aisles where everyone can reach them. So you have to go up to the ladies behind the counter, with other people waiting for prescriptions beside and behind you, and yell, "Excuse me, CAN I HAVE A PREGNANCY TEST??"

Not happening. I ordered some opk''s and pg tests from saveontests since Dec 17 and they haven''t come yet. And I''ve been emailing the customer service lady since yesterday and she hasn''t written back. So I guess I''ll just have to wait it out....

I don''t know anything about OPK''s but what you described happening with yours doesn''t sound right to me. Do you think it means that your LH is trying to surge but it''s not reaching that critical level or something? When I had delayed ovulation last cycle...my temps were up and down like my body was gearing up to O but then changed it''s mind. Just wondering if it might be something like that.

socal girl, I think most people O the day after the positive OPK?

Festy, what CD are you on?

 

[Festy]

Date: 1/15/2009 12:27:23 PM
Author: Sha


Festy, what CD are you on?

Hm, dunno exactly b/c I''m not temping this cycle. Anywhere from 3-5 DPO. I''m guessing 5DPO. That sucks about the small town/island pharmacy! I feel the same way you do about the whole world not knowing my business. And how frustrating that your tests haven''t come in the mail yet!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

I'm pretty happy with my temps so far, since they have been so much more "normal" than with the past cycle (other than a couple crazy drops, that is), so I'm feeling pretty confident that this cycle will not be a *wonky* one. Previous cycle had temps all over the place, and this go-round has been much more stable. Yay!! I'm not sure that I'll get crosshairs this early on, and if I do there's no knowing if they'll stay put, but I'm hoping to O by CD22 or so. I'd be happy with that. We'd be so thrilled with an anniversary present pregnancy!!! Elation!!

And, for what it's worth, I've finally *finally* finally found out what EWCM is. Yay! Just knowing it's there makes me feel like I'm a fertile girl. Even if it's taking some time, the right parts are there, they just have to all add up at the right time, I guess.

I won't feel confident in the crosshairs til they come and stay a week or so, that's when I usually calm down. That also always gives me enough time to work up to the 98 range, which totally confirms O for my body.

Who knew that your internal temp could tell you so much? I still wonder about that 2nd dip and what it could mean, though....

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So Cal Girl,

Welcome out of lurkdom. I don't use OPKs but lots of the girls here do. I wish you lots of luck on this journey. Come back and talk to us again soon!

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Sha, are you next to be finding out if you're preggo or not? Thinking happy thoughts for you!!!

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Festy,

Nope, not a Debbie Downer. I'm only cautiously excited about this possible O. I'll be happy if it sticks, though!!

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I can't believe it's this far into Jan. and we've not had any testers yet. Happy thoughts to us all as we start 2009 with peeing on sticks!!! (Although I've resolved *not* to do that anymore.)

 

[peonygirl]

Thanks SO much for the support, Festy! Very nice of you! I don''t know if this will make you feel better, but when I had my chemical pregnancy I didn''t have a heavier period than usual, nor more cramping. It would be very unusual to have nausea before your estrogen and hcg levels rose (that is, before implantation), but there are always women who say that they feel pregnant right after they conceive so who knows.

As you''ve probably noticed I''m an information junkie, so I''m very, very glad to know that I had any early miscarriage, but everyone is different. I actually feel more hopeful now that I can get pregnant again. Overall I''d say that the experience was not as bad as I''d thought a miscarriage might be, except for that moment of sheer horror when my test said "not pregnant." That was awful! Do you think you''ll test in subsequent months or wait for your period?

SoCalGirl, if the smiley is indicative of an LH surge, that means that you''ll ovulate within 12-36 hrs. So get busy tonight, girlie!

You don''t have to wait 14 days to test. You can start testing whenever you like, but most people get a positive (on a pregnancy cycle) by about 12 days past ovulation. You may get one as soon as 10 days after though. The tests that seem to be the most sensitive are these: http://www.firstresponse.com/earlyPregTest.asp. Good luck, and please let us know if you have any questions!

Sha, you live near NYC, right? Do you live on one of the islands near there? I think you can get a FRER at drugstore.com if it came to that. If it''s too tempting to have a lot on hand, maybe your DH can hold them hostage for you (that''s what mine does!).
You are right about the elevated LH! I was going to write about it later, but a high LH to FSH ratio is usually indicative of PCOS. That dreaded syndrome, ha! We''ll see what my CD3 tests show. Have you gotten yours back? I haven''t ruled out Clomid even though I do think that if I waited long enough I could probably get pregnant again on my own (hopefully!).

 

[so cal girl]

Thanks ladies for responding. I was counting my O date as the one after I got the smiley face on the OPK, I just wanted to make sure I was doing it right.

Peony, this was actually a couple of weeks ago. We BDed the day before the smiley face, the day we got the smiley face, and the day after. So I hope we''re covered!

Currently I am 10 DPO. I may get antsy and test this weekend. I''m surprised no one has tested lately. Hopefully we''ll get some positives this month!

 

[peonygirl]

Oh yes, your bases should be covered then! Good luck!

 

[sunkist]

Hey Fisher, I'm looking at your chart and thinking CD16 doesn't look like the day because CD17 isn't above the coverline yet. If tomorrow's temp is high I'd place a bet on CD18 though. Only time will tell. Isn't that the sucky part about TTC?? Mother nature sure knows how to test us, huh?? haha! Congrats on seeing EWCM! Maybe that means O is coming soon?? I hope so Fisher! Oh, and I never look at my temp right after I take it. I fall back asleep for a bit more precious sleep!

Peony, do you get real watery CM or is it just kinda sorta? If that's the best fertile CM you get, I'd take that as your sign. And as far as CM changing during the day, I think that's OK, they just say to record the most fertile CM of the day. I know from my experience though too, it's tough

Maybe ovusoft people would have some insight as to why your OPKs are show dark everyday.

Sha, you're at 8DPO and I'm right behind you at 6DPO! I don't want to test until I've missed my period by a few days. I also felt slight cramping yesterday and today, no spotting though. I've been checking. I remember feeling the same last month too. I think I'm not prego. Hubby asked me last night if I O'd yet and if he'd gotten me at good time. I told him he got me 2 days before and the day of. He was pretty excited, hehe. I don't know if I've told him yet that it's just a 20% chance of it happening. I'd better remind him!

Festy, I'm crossing my fingers for you too. I think there's a few of us right in a row that will either be unhappily welcoming AF or possibly finding a BFP

! Woohoo!

Hi SoCalGirl!

I'm glad you're joining us. No questions are stupid and nothing is TMI on this thread. As you know we congratulate eachother on seeing EWCM and much more, something I'm sure non of us would say to another person IRL, haha

Hey and you're 10DPO, it looks like you'll be our first tester of the new year!! Yay!!!

Crossing my fingers for you SoCalG!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

Today's temp was 98.0. And I got crosshairs.

The test now will be to see if I can maintain 98 temps and if the crosshairs stick. Eek! Even if I didn't O on 16, it could have been 18, you're right Sunkist. (Our BD line is better for the 16th, though.) CD17 is right at the coverline, then CD18 drops by a good bit, then CD19 and all days following are up above the coverline. The coverline looks to be about 97.68 or so. I don't know. I didn't get ECM yesterday, I just never posted that I'd finally gotten some and even did that water in a cup trick with it. Just knowing it exists was exciting! I still am not going to post CM on my charts, though, since I haven't for a while and I'm still a little unsure of what to label things as.

I wonder if there is any information out there about a significant drop in temp just two days past ovulation. Hmm. I will have to google that.

It's 9 degrees here today. Insane!! This Southern Cali girl doesn't know what to do with herself. I'm freezing and in a snow coat, but it's not helping much. I don't even want to think about going outside to get to work!!

There are so many DPO girls now. Yay! Hoping like crazy mad for some GOOD news to bring in this first month of 2009 right!!

 

[peonygirl]

Fisher, I hear ya on the cold weather! It's -15 here right now with a -31 windchill. The awful thing is that we only have 1 car, so right now I'm using public transportation to get to school and work which means that I'm stuck waiting outside quite a bit waiting for buses and trains. Arg! I'm just trying to not die! This is good motivation for getting into a CA school. I think I mentioned before that I'm from San Diego.

Sunkist, unfortunately I get tons of patches of fertile (watery) cervical fluid the whole month, so it's just not a good sign for me. At first I was convinced that I was just not checking it correctly, but after MUCH persisting and online reading I've realized that it's not a good sign for me. Maybe I should read up about cervical position and try to use that? It would be nice to get more advance warning since my OPKs aren't doing much in that domain now. Good luck this cycle!

Happy Friday everyone!

 

[Sha]

Yay for crosshairs, Fisher!

So that would mean that you ovulated much earlier this cycle than your last cycle, right? That's fabulous!

So it looks like socal girl is next to test - any symptoms today, so cal? Then maybe me, then sunkist, then Festy? I hope at least one of us gets a BFP! It's been kind of slow around here lately.

Peony, I actually don't live in the U.S at all. I'm from and live in the Caribbean - rather not say the island just in case there may be anyone on here who may be from the same area - you know, that whole lack of anonymity thing. So I'm still waiting for my package.... I don't know why the lady from saveontests hasn't responded to me. Has anybody ever dealt with this Company before?

 

[natalina]

Hi guys. Well, I am 4 DPO today. We aren''t really trying this month but not trying "not" to either, so now I''m so curious! We BD''d 4,3, and 1 day before the day on which FF gave me crosshairs. It''s only my second month getting crosshairs- it''s so exciting!
What''s the earliest anyone knows of feeling symptoms? Even though I know it''s too early, I feel like a science experiment. Everyday I wake up and take inventory, like "Do I feel nauseous? Are my (*)(*) sore? Is my temp still high? Do I feel different?". Oh boy, and we aren''t really even working hard at it yet. I''m a bit nervous over how anxious I''ll be when we ARE. So glad you guys are here to share with. If I ever talked like this to someone IRL they would think I am CRAZY!

Fisher- I had a pretty significant drop in temp 3 DPO. Still above the coverline, but I''d definitley be interested to hear what you find out.

So it looks like today SoCalGirl is 11 DPO (oooh! Exciting!), then Sha 9 DPO, Sunkist 7 DPO, Festy 4-6 DPO, and I am 4 DPO. Anyone else in the lineup that I missed? Fingers crossed for everyone.

I so hope this is a happy month for everyone here!

 

[swimmer]

Hi ladies, I need to delurk so you can laugh with me.

So I''m sort of like my students, in my abject fear of failure I''m afraid to admit that we are TTC. None of my friends knows, parents certainly do not. But we have been working on charting for a few months; whew, I feel like this is a confession.

OK, so the funny part. This morning, I reached for the thermometer (not a great one, just a cheapie digital from CVS) and it was frozen to the windowsill. Yup, frozen. I know from knowing my own bod that I O''d T/W, but my temps have been so low ff is just not working with me; yesterday DH pointed out that I would be dead if my temp was really that low and now this am. Frozen thermometer.

So now I''m online, going to invest in a real thermometer, (and considering a new storage place for it), jumping into this thread and hoping to encourage all of you in this crazy adventure. thank you all, I have learned so much by reading along. hugs, swimmer 2 DPO

 

[Festy]

Keeping my fingers crossed for the testers out there! Fisher, I''m really hoping this cycle is more legible than last, and so far it seems like it will be! Hooray!

Hi Swimmer!

Welcome. I lurked for a little while too before I jumped in. Am I mistaken or are you also in the Boston area? Your story about the frozen thermometer is hilarious and totally consistent with other TTC mishaps. It''s kind of like you''re indoctrinated now.

Hope your stay here is short!

6ish DPO

 

[ChinaCat]

Hey ladies, just dropping in to say hello and good luck in January!

Fisher- Wow, that would be awesome for you if your crosshairs stay and you get a shorter cycle this time. Keeping fingers crossed for you!

Swimmer- Ok, now that is funny. I lurked for awhile too but I wish I had jumped in and bonded with all the fabulous ladies here a lot sooner. I got a BFP much sooner than I thought and kind of missed out a bit on the hilarity and heartbreak that goes on around here.

Sha- I am so jealous you live on an island. Sounds heavenly right about now! It''s generally pretty warm where I live, but it''s butt cold today. I am dreaming of a beach.

Can''t remember who was asking about early signs- but just to let you know, I had NO symptoms or signs until about 6 weeks along. So when I tested I had nada. That''s not to say you can''t have signs; in fact I think Mela KNEW like the day after she O''d. But just wanted you to know that you can be KTFU and not feel any different at all!!!!

Did InLuv take a break? Haven''t seen her posting on this thread in awhile. Hi InLuv if you are lurking, hope you are doing well!

Good luck to all of those about to test. Will check in for some good news later!!!

Have a great weekend.

 

[so cal girl]

Happy Friday ladies! I have good news. After all that talk about testing last night, I decided to stop at the drug store on the way home ad pick up some tests. I figured I ould just buy them yesterday, and maybe take a test this weekend. Well, I got antsy and decided to take one yesterday. And there were TWO LINES! I think I''m pregnant!!!

I am trying not to get too excited. If I am actually pregnant, I am only 4 weeks along. The doctor said they usually don''t see anyone until 7 or 8 weeks, although I convinced them to give me an appointment at 6. My husband does not want me to get too excited until we see the doctor and he confirms it. I tend to agree with him, since I am worried about the possibility of a chemical pregnancy (like peony had), but I am having problems containing my excitement! Since I can''t share it with anyone else, I figure I can at least share it with you girls!

Sorry if this is turning kind of long and rambling! I just want to say, I think January is going to be the month of positives. I can just feel it!!!

 

[peonygirl]

Sha, I wonder why I thought you were from NYC? There was someone recently prescribed Clomid who is from NY or saw a NY dr. Oh well!

Natalina, good luck this cycle! Will you test or just wait for your period?

Swimmer, welcome and woah on the thermometer!!

Why do you think you fear failure? Are you worried about having to undergo fertility treatments, worried you''ll never have children, or what it might mean about you as a woman? Or maybe you''re just a high achiever who doesn''t like to fail? Just curious! GL btw!

ChinaCat, great to see you sticking around here for a bit! How''s the pregnancy going?

Fisher, I''m really hoping you Oed earlier this time! That would be awesome! (and yes, I''m a little jealous!)

 

[peonygirl]

SoCalGal, I just saw your post. That's wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big congrats to you!! You have a 3/4 chance of this sticking around, so if possible try not to stress and enjoy your pregnancy. Even though mine ended so soon, I'm glad that DH and I got to share the fun and excitement of being pregnant for a few days.

Congrats again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Festy]

Congratulations SoCal!!!!!

Arentcha glad you POAS??

 

[swimmer]

Thank you ladies,
Congratulations SoCal! How exciting.

Festy, yes, I''m also in Bahston! And my old three-decker''s windows were installed probably in the 1860s, if it wasn''t for the vinyl siding, we could feel the breeze. Are you staying warm?

ChinaCat: great point, I need to chat with someone about this, thank you all for being so welcoming.

Peony: Mmm, lots of the above? I have PCOS and had some other ovarian issues, so am working with a reproductive endocrinologist, but yes, while we would be thrilled to adopt, it is sort of this task that we recently set out on and yeah, I am not used to failing at anything. That sounds just terrible right? But with most things if I work my arse off it gets done. From reading your musings I bet you share a lot of this struggle. Usually if we just put enough brain energy into a problem it is resolved, but this is so not controllable. Well, we try to control and calculate with temping and looking for signs, but I ultimately feel so powerless here. Ya feelin'' me?

 

[ChinaCat]

So Cal- CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sending you sticky vibes. I had an early doc appointment at 6 weeks which reallly put my mind at ease. Good luck!

Peony- Thanks for asking. I read this thread everyday so am always rooting for you guys. The pregnancy thing is going well- but it''s a whole other trip! It''s exciting and scary and overwhelming and cool all at the same time. I can''t wait for all of you to go through it!! Which I know you will, and soon. All of you!

 

[Festy]

Date: 1/16/2009 2:12:44 PM
Author: swimmer

Festy, yes, I''m also in Bahston! And my old three-decker''s windows were installed probably in the 1860s, if it wasn''t for the vinyl siding, we could feel the breeze. Are you staying warm?

No.

But I''m an old house freak, so I don''t mind a draft here and there.

 

[peonygirl]

Swimmer: I understand completely!! If effort alone affected TTC, I should have gotten pregnant a while ago!! By the way, are you a swimmer? I swam on my HS and college teams, but I don't anymore.

China: Thanks bunches!! You are so sweet. I really want to join you on the preggo thread soon.


BTW, I posted my OPK question on Ovusoft and everyone is saying PCOS. I should know more after my CD3 tests. It might also be nice to get an ovarian ultrasound at some point. At this point, I just want to hopefully ovulate ASAP and then get my period. I'm SO sick of waiting (CD26 here) and I don't have much hope for this cycle.

DrK, are you still around? HI if you are!

I was thinking about you today.

 

[Sha]

Wow, so cal girl!! Our first BFP of the year!!

How exciting!!

Were you shocked when you saw the two lines, or did you somehow know that you were pg? Did you have any symptoms at all before testing?

I hope this is the start of a good trend!


ChinaCat - thanks for the encouragement and support. It's encouraging to know you didn't have any symptoms before you tested, too.

swimmer - that's really funny about the thermometer freezing. Brrr!!! I really don't envy you guys in that cold weather! I think it's what...82 degrees here today?

Peony, when do you get your CD3 results back? I also need to check on mine and see what they say. Do you think you would consider the Clomid again if it is PCOS?

 

[drk]

Peony - ok, since you mentioned me by "name", I'll come out and say I am lurking. Preoccupied by TTC (as usual) and studying like mad for the darn Royal College exams coming up in less than 3 months. So much to learn before then, and preferably before I'm back on rotations in Feb and Mar that I have to do call and work weekends for. I can't decide if I'm feeling discouraged or not these days, just wish all this 3y+ TTC crud would finally be over with. Had 4 nice follicles this month, but DH was sick right at the appropriate time, so we had a major stress-out here about not being able to put the boys into action at the right time. I think we may have managed in the end, but only time will tell.

So I'm 11dpo as of today (17/1). Tested yesterday after work at 10dpo (peeing on OPKs and HPTs to see what the correlation is). Had a line on the OPK, but not much of anything on the HPT, despite having taken my HCG trigger 12d ago. 3 days before that my LH was <0.2, so I really wish I could hope the OPK is giving me an earlier sign of good things to come than the HCG test that's likely lower sensitivity (but way higher specificity). (.) (.) are slightly tender, but I'm half convinced that's all in my head.

At some point soon, I'm going to have to wrap my head around getting a referral for IVF and trying to figure out when that might fit in the schedule. Joy. If we do it, I want to get 1-2 rounds in while my drugs are still covered and I'm marginally younger.

Fisher - I don't think I'd peg CD16 as O for you, maybe cd18 depending how things look the next few days. Up till yesterday there hadn't been enough of a temp shift to make me think O. You can just put eggwhite in for the couple days you have it and ignore the rest of the CM data spots, I think. Or put the rest of the days as creamy or something and see if that clarifies things at all. You're right though - good EWCM is hard to miss! Glad you found some finally...

So Cal - Congrats! How about a pic? You were 11dpo, right?

Sorry for the lack of personals everyone else. I'm getting older and more bitter and sick of this all, and not in the greatest of places mentally these days. Hopefully it'll all turn around for me soon (and for you too!).

Kate

 

[sunkist]

Wooo hooo, SoCalGirl! First tester of the year and it''s positive

First of all Congratulations! I think this is going to be a good year for all of us TTCers

SoCal, so your hubby wants you to wait another month before you get excited??

Does he know how hard that''s gonna be for a woman?

Natalina you are too funny with the human science experiment! I love it

Sha, sorry no tests came yet. Hmph.

Yay for crosshairs Fisher! I hope your temps keep going up!

Peony, I hope your O comes soon and doesn''t make you wait long.

Swimmer, I can''t believe your BBT froze to the sill!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

SoCal,

Yay!!!

How exciting!! Congratulations! Good luck on that whole not getting too excited thing. Yeah right. Love it and live it up, sweetie!! 2009 is going to be awesome!!!

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Okay, even though it''s Saturday and I totally *love* Saturdays because it means I can sleep in, I can''t sleep right now. Just woke up to take my temp and it was 98.10. Yay for another rise!!

And now I can fully say that I''ve made an attachment to this set of crosshairs and I''ll be sad if FF pulls them away. If it moves to CD 18, that''s okay. I can live with that, though.

It would actually make more sense, but I was reading on 2DPO drops, and on ovusoft, I found this description:

In a Fall-Back thermal shift the chart will have a pattern of a temperature drop on Day 2, followed by a sustained rise in temperature until menses. In a true Fall-Back thermal shift the Peak cervical fluid must occur before the first temperature rise. Otherwise it should be identified as a standard thermal shift with the rule of thumb applied to the first high temperature.

There was a list of charts to scan, and they surely had drops, but not like my HUGE one. So, who knows?

Then I went and added the EWCM to my chart and it moved my O day to CD 18, much more around my *regular* (you know, for not being regular) O time. But, the line is solid now. It looks like my coverline is close to 97.79 or so. All temps have been above the coverline with this set of crosshairs, so I guess I don''t need to worry about a dip below the coverline, now do I?

I also wonder why EWCM would come after ovulation (by a day or so)? Maybe to help the swimmers catch a second wind? Yet another thing to research now. Geesh. All this learning. Hmph.

Here''s hoping for no more crosshair jumping.

I wonder if I should leave the CM on the chart, since I usually leave it off completely?

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Dr.K,

Nice to see you around again. Thanks for popping in. I hope the studying up goes well, and as always, thinking the most positive of thoughts for you!!

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Swimmer,

A therm. freezing to a window sill is nuts! I''m whining here about 3 degree weather, but if it came inside the house and froze things, I''d be nuts!! Hope your next therm stays thawed out!

Welcome to this wacky thread. I love these girls!!!

They help me stay somewhat sane during all this baby making drama.