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The Official TTC Thread!
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Oh Tiffany what a tragic outcome, but at least there is a clear path ahead of you now. I may be misremembering, but I remember reading that ectopics are not just always completely random implantation errors. Something about having one ectopic increases the likelihood of having another, and that you had fibroids may not be a coincidence. Either way, at least you will not have to go through this particular trauma again and I am glad that IVF is an option. Hoping you and your husband have strength of heart during your recovery and the next steps.
Swimmer, yes I read that article and I think like many things in life people can be very judgmental when they are not in that situation or are anonymous internet posters. It is good to make people aware of the risks associated with twins and multiples, especially in the age of glamorizing the big families and J&K+8, and as many people think twins are ''safe'' and two for the price of one. But its really hard to strike the right balance with the educational aspects and discussion of societal risks with a realistic and sympathetic treatment of the struggles many couples face in trying to have kids. Particularly with the state of US funding methods for infertility treatments - its very hard to be conservative with medical treatments when the financial costs are so high, and may in fact price some couple out of having children if they don''t take risks.
Lulu, go bean go! Still hoping things progress nicely for you!
Blushing, yay for clear tubes. And you''ve been pregnant! There has to be some hope from that! Good luck with the IUI coming up.
Swimmer, yes I read that article and I think like many things in life people can be very judgmental when they are not in that situation or are anonymous internet posters. It is good to make people aware of the risks associated with twins and multiples, especially in the age of glamorizing the big families and J&K+8, and as many people think twins are ''safe'' and two for the price of one. But its really hard to strike the right balance with the educational aspects and discussion of societal risks with a realistic and sympathetic treatment of the struggles many couples face in trying to have kids. Particularly with the state of US funding methods for infertility treatments - its very hard to be conservative with medical treatments when the financial costs are so high, and may in fact price some couple out of having children if they don''t take risks.
Lulu, go bean go! Still hoping things progress nicely for you!
Blushing, yay for clear tubes. And you''ve been pregnant! There has to be some hope from that! Good luck with the IUI coming up.
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Lindsey - as far as I''ve read, ectopics tend to have low and slow-rising betas rather than high betas, so I wouldn''t worry about that. A molar pregnancy could do it, but is super rare. They ought to be able to scan you even at 5 weeks and see gestational sacs, and 6 weeks you should see a heartbeat. I don''t think an ectopic would rupture before about the 7 week mark, which is why I went on vacation and scheduled my first U/S for 7wks after doing my IVF (and being warned against travel because of my higher risk of ectopic).
Tiffany - wow, what an eventful time. I''m so sorry you ended up in such danger, though relieved that you''re doing better now after the surgery and transfusions. Hopefully having both your tubes gone will reduce your risk of ectopic with IVF a lot (though you can still have a cervical ectopic or a cornual ectopic in the stump of the tube, unfortunately). At least you have implanted twice, and you know your eggs and DH''s sperm are good, so you should have a fantastic IVF cycle when you get to that point. Recover well...
Lulu - great number for 13dpo! Hope it continues to rise like it should!
Tiffany - wow, what an eventful time. I''m so sorry you ended up in such danger, though relieved that you''re doing better now after the surgery and transfusions. Hopefully having both your tubes gone will reduce your risk of ectopic with IVF a lot (though you can still have a cervical ectopic or a cornual ectopic in the stump of the tube, unfortunately). At least you have implanted twice, and you know your eggs and DH''s sperm are good, so you should have a fantastic IVF cycle when you get to that point. Recover well...
Lulu - great number for 13dpo! Hope it continues to rise like it should!
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I read that article in the ny times swimmer. I''m doing IUI with Clomid and it was weird to read that it''s better to do IVF then IUI. IVF seems like a tough road to choose over IUI. I also found the whole discussion about the selective termination difficult as well. I know personally I wouldn''t want to have more than 2 if I was to get pregnant with multiples. I know these decisions are tough for people and it''s hard to judge the couple and say well they should have known better when they lost so many of their babies. It definitely makes me nervous about the IUI for sure. It is a low percentage of people though that get pregnant with that many babies.
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Tiffany,
Oh man, how I was hoping that your tube would be just fine. I''m extremely impressed (and impacted) by your attitude about the situation. How true that now you no longer have the risk of ruptured tubes any longer, and a severely lowered chance of any further issues of that nature in future pregnancies. I wish this road was an easy, carefree one for all of us. I admire your positive attitude and willingness to keep on keeping on. Sometimes it''s so hard to find the positive in a situation and you''ve found it in this situation. Strong character. My mom always told me you don''t know the kind of person a person is until they struggle and then you see how they react and rebound and that tells you about them, really. You''re a strong woman!
You and your hubby will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.
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IUI/IVF, I semi-read the article. Here''s the thing, though... IUI, if monitored through ultrasound, is successful in determining how many eggs you''re dropping on a particular cycle. Most of the time when you have multiple births with IUI, it''s while undergoing injectibles and when you''re not monitoring the number of follicles developing. Because selective reduction would never be an option for us, Paul and I have done some research into IUI (as IVF is also not an option for us), and it can be monitored in a means that would be able to successfully indicate how many follicles would be dropping. When you run into cases like Jon and Kate, who conceived under IUI, it was without monitoring to see if she had developed too many follicles while on the medications.
So, taking low a low doseage of Clomid and having an IUI without monitoring is *very* different from being on multiple injectibles, trigger shots, and not getting monitored as closely. Of course being on even the lowest dose of Clomid increases the chances of multiples, but only slightly.
Whenever I read about the fear/torment/guilt parents go through when they used any form of intervention and had a loss or pre-term child, I wonder about what our response would be in that situation. Even 50mg of Clomid makes me wonder that, particularly since one of the women here conceived twins on that doseage. Being aware of the chance of multiples is important, as well as being aware of the risks to mother and children, but you have to remember, too, that twins happen when you''re not on medications, too.
Oh man, how I was hoping that your tube would be just fine. I''m extremely impressed (and impacted) by your attitude about the situation. How true that now you no longer have the risk of ruptured tubes any longer, and a severely lowered chance of any further issues of that nature in future pregnancies. I wish this road was an easy, carefree one for all of us. I admire your positive attitude and willingness to keep on keeping on. Sometimes it''s so hard to find the positive in a situation and you''ve found it in this situation. Strong character. My mom always told me you don''t know the kind of person a person is until they struggle and then you see how they react and rebound and that tells you about them, really. You''re a strong woman!
You and your hubby will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers.
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IUI/IVF, I semi-read the article. Here''s the thing, though... IUI, if monitored through ultrasound, is successful in determining how many eggs you''re dropping on a particular cycle. Most of the time when you have multiple births with IUI, it''s while undergoing injectibles and when you''re not monitoring the number of follicles developing. Because selective reduction would never be an option for us, Paul and I have done some research into IUI (as IVF is also not an option for us), and it can be monitored in a means that would be able to successfully indicate how many follicles would be dropping. When you run into cases like Jon and Kate, who conceived under IUI, it was without monitoring to see if she had developed too many follicles while on the medications.
So, taking low a low doseage of Clomid and having an IUI without monitoring is *very* different from being on multiple injectibles, trigger shots, and not getting monitored as closely. Of course being on even the lowest dose of Clomid increases the chances of multiples, but only slightly.
Whenever I read about the fear/torment/guilt parents go through when they used any form of intervention and had a loss or pre-term child, I wonder about what our response would be in that situation. Even 50mg of Clomid makes me wonder that, particularly since one of the women here conceived twins on that doseage. Being aware of the chance of multiples is important, as well as being aware of the risks to mother and children, but you have to remember, too, that twins happen when you''re not on medications, too.
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Swimmer,
11 weeks. Man alive, that time has flown!! Happy for you, lady. In the blink of an eye, you'll be into the second trimester.
I'm sure a ton of us TTCers will be joining you in the ranks of mommies-to-be soon. Indeed!!!
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Festy,
Good to see you.
Don't be too much of a stranger! Thinking of you and wishing good things for you!!
11 weeks. Man alive, that time has flown!! Happy for you, lady. In the blink of an eye, you'll be into the second trimester.
I'm sure a ton of us TTCers will be joining you in the ranks of mommies-to-be soon. Indeed!!!
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Festy,
Good to see you.
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Tiffany I am so bummed about them having to remove this tube. It just seems unbelievable. I know that life is not fair, I certainly know that -- but sometimes I just feel like screaming it! "This is not fair!!!" As you pointed out, the silver lining is that you are now safe, and cannot suffer from this same danger again. I''m also relieved that your ovaries are still in great working order! I am hoping that you have a speedy recovery. I will be waiting to witness your IVF miracle!
Lulu what a lovely beta! Sending lots of good wishes your way that those number keep climbing!
Lulu what a lovely beta! Sending lots of good wishes your way that those number keep climbing!
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Delurking for TIFFANY -
I am so sorry to hear about your tube being removed. Since this is the second time this has happned to you I would suggest you ask your doctor to run a MTHFR blood test for you. If you have either a C677T or A1298T mutation that could be your answer. In short, I was diagnosed with MTHFR C677T mutation (heterozygosity) after a blood clot in my leg, and both forms can be problematic in pregnancy. Treatment for pregnant women often includes daily injections of Lovenox or heparin, 81mg of aspirin per day, prenatal vitamin plus extra folic acid. Some doctors will also recommend you take a B-vitamin complex supplement.
I was diagnosed after having a healthy, normal pregnancy but I may not be able to have any more children due to another blood clotting disorder that was also found and which is much more serious. My doctors think I''m an anomoly since I managed to have a healthy pregnancy since most people with this mutation have multiple losses and blood clotting issues.
I don''t know your medical history so you may have already been tested for this, however, it is not something doctors usually test for until there is a problem. I wish you the best of luck in the future
I am so sorry to hear about your tube being removed. Since this is the second time this has happned to you I would suggest you ask your doctor to run a MTHFR blood test for you. If you have either a C677T or A1298T mutation that could be your answer. In short, I was diagnosed with MTHFR C677T mutation (heterozygosity) after a blood clot in my leg, and both forms can be problematic in pregnancy. Treatment for pregnant women often includes daily injections of Lovenox or heparin, 81mg of aspirin per day, prenatal vitamin plus extra folic acid. Some doctors will also recommend you take a B-vitamin complex supplement.
I was diagnosed after having a healthy, normal pregnancy but I may not be able to have any more children due to another blood clotting disorder that was also found and which is much more serious. My doctors think I''m an anomoly since I managed to have a healthy pregnancy since most people with this mutation have multiple losses and blood clotting issues.
I don''t know your medical history so you may have already been tested for this, however, it is not something doctors usually test for until there is a problem. I wish you the best of luck in the future
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First time on the TTC board! I just went off BC, but we are not TTC yet. I wanted to get my body time to reset itself...its still a bit unnerving though! I wanted to ask if anyone has done any genetic testing prior to TTC. My sister had cystic fibrosis, and we want to determine whether or not I am a carrier. Also, DH''s sister is disabled and they are uncertain as to the cause (birth defect, genetic, etc.). So, we think we would like to get a full work up, but other then talking to my doctor, I''m not real sure how to proceed. Any advice is appreciated!
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DivaDiamond- thank you. I appreciate that information.I''ll ask about that at my appt next week. Sorry to hear about your clotting disorder.
Lindsey- Thanks. There are really times I feel like screaming. (sometimes I do) I know you''ve been through a lot and it just doesn''t make sense why some things that are so easy for some couples are so difficult for others. It really sucks sometimes.
Fisher- Your post brought tears to my eyes. You are such a sweetie!!
Drk- Thanks! I know there''s still a chance since there''s a little stump of a tube (I haven''t told my husband that). Thanks for reminding me that I''ve implanted twice, I think through all of this I sort of forgot that happy point!!
Festy and Cara- Thanks! How are you girls doing? I''ve been thinking about you!
Melz- If you are out there lurking, I''ve been wondering how you are doing!!
Swimmer- I did read that article. I found it interesting and somewhat difficult to read. I think I read it when we were in the middle of the 2nd follistim/iui cycle. Infertility is so difficult on so many different levels. I know some docs think people waste too much time with IUI before moving on to IVF, but when you pay out of pocket that has to consider into the decision making too.
Fisher- totally agree with what you said about the montoring IUI. Each time they could tell me how many follicles and we had the option of proceeding or not.
Lindsey- Thanks. There are really times I feel like screaming. (sometimes I do) I know you''ve been through a lot and it just doesn''t make sense why some things that are so easy for some couples are so difficult for others. It really sucks sometimes.
Fisher- Your post brought tears to my eyes. You are such a sweetie!!
Drk- Thanks! I know there''s still a chance since there''s a little stump of a tube (I haven''t told my husband that). Thanks for reminding me that I''ve implanted twice, I think through all of this I sort of forgot that happy point!!
Festy and Cara- Thanks! How are you girls doing? I''ve been thinking about you!
Melz- If you are out there lurking, I''ve been wondering how you are doing!!
Swimmer- I did read that article. I found it interesting and somewhat difficult to read. I think I read it when we were in the middle of the 2nd follistim/iui cycle. Infertility is so difficult on so many different levels. I know some docs think people waste too much time with IUI before moving on to IVF, but when you pay out of pocket that has to consider into the decision making too.
Fisher- totally agree with what you said about the montoring IUI. Each time they could tell me how many follicles and we had the option of proceeding or not.
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congrats on the recent pregnancies- so happy for you all!!
Amandine- welcome- i am new to the ttc board as well- its good that you are giving your body time to reset after BC. My body has been doing that for a couple months now and finally back to a 31 day cycle (was 46 days). Regarding genetic testing, once I told my OBGYN I was planning on starting to TTC within a couple months , she prescribed prenatal vitamins, did a pelvic Ultrasound and also ran a full blood test which tests for cycstic fibrosis among other genetic tests. Would suggest to meet with your OB and express any concerns you might have and start to get the ball rolling. Good luck
Amandine- welcome- i am new to the ttc board as well- its good that you are giving your body time to reset after BC. My body has been doing that for a couple months now and finally back to a 31 day cycle (was 46 days). Regarding genetic testing, once I told my OBGYN I was planning on starting to TTC within a couple months , she prescribed prenatal vitamins, did a pelvic Ultrasound and also ran a full blood test which tests for cycstic fibrosis among other genetic tests. Would suggest to meet with your OB and express any concerns you might have and start to get the ball rolling. Good luck
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Amandine - Welcome to the thread! There's a wealth of information on here. My doctor did test for two chromosomal abnormalities before we started to TTC. The testing seemed fairly standard.
Lucy.Lucy - Welcome! I hope you don't mind my asking, but I am very curious. When your dr did the ultrasound before TTC'g, did she mention why? Were there other issues (I'm not asking for details) that prompted her to do the u/s?
Lucy.Lucy - Welcome! I hope you don't mind my asking, but I am very curious. When your dr did the ultrasound before TTC'g, did she mention why? Were there other issues (I'm not asking for details) that prompted her to do the u/s?
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loves vintage- hello! during my annual visit exam I mentioned to her I would be TTC soon and she happened to have the u/s machine next to the bed and told me she could take a look- I happily oblidged as it put my mind as ease. there was no underlying reason other than I have a proactive OBGYN...lol!
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loves vintage- well I was off BC & started charting on FF in march 09 but started TTC in June 09- So far no luck though
Amandine- I was able to find below link on genetic testing- maybe it will help-
http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/getting-pregnant/genetics/genetic-testing/
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Lucy,
Oh, I didn't realize that you've officially started. How are your charts looking? Yes, my DH had his SA on Tuesday. They said it would be about a week for the results, so we are still waiting. I'm not too worried about it though. I see it as a fact-finding process, so once we find out what the results are, then we will know more information and know better how to proceed. Try not to worry too much for your DH. I know it is stressful for them, though.
You and are on about the same track. This is our 6th or 7th official month of trying (I'd have to check FF). Although I do want to proceed with diagnostics, it could be that everything is just fine. Sometimes it just takes time.
Oh, I didn't realize that you've officially started. How are your charts looking? Yes, my DH had his SA on Tuesday. They said it would be about a week for the results, so we are still waiting. I'm not too worried about it though. I see it as a fact-finding process, so once we find out what the results are, then we will know more information and know better how to proceed. Try not to worry too much for your DH. I know it is stressful for them, though.
You and are on about the same track. This is our 6th or 7th official month of trying (I'd have to check FF). Although I do want to proceed with diagnostics, it could be that everything is just fine. Sometimes it just takes time.
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swimmer this is for you -- a comment to that NYTs article:
" ... if you, personally, deem care of babies produced via fertility processes just too expensive to pay for, then heck, I guess I''ll just deem the exceptoinal costs associated with treating cigarette addicts, overweight diabetics, and any manner of self-inflicted sicknesses out of bounds.
Really, how selfish to continue with your unhealthy and costly habits when you could just adopt an apple."
" ... if you, personally, deem care of babies produced via fertility processes just too expensive to pay for, then heck, I guess I''ll just deem the exceptoinal costs associated with treating cigarette addicts, overweight diabetics, and any manner of self-inflicted sicknesses out of bounds.
Really, how selfish to continue with your unhealthy and costly habits when you could just adopt an apple."
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loves vintage- good luck and I hope all goes well- you & your DH dont have too much longer to wait then which is good! My DH just dropped his sample off this morning (the sample had to get to the lab within an hour and we live an hour away- I told him he better put some rocket boosters on the car!- haha!)
Yea we are in the same boat- I just keep telling myself good things are worth waiting for
good luck and lots of baby dust!Hopefully our wait wont be much longer
Yea we are in the same boat- I just keep telling myself good things are worth waiting for
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Hey ladies! Just dropping in quickly to say that my 20 dpo beta today came back at 6,500! That''s an awfully even number so I think that the nurse is rounding it, my 16 dpo beta was 1091. She said that my doubling time was 37 hours and that everything looks good. I am supposed to schedule and ultrasound for next Wed/Thurs. I hope that you ladies don''t mind me sticking around for a little while longer, it''s been such a long road and I don''t feel safe moving to the preggo thread. Still feels like we''re "trying." Crazy!
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Lindsey, I''m glad things are looking good. There seems to be lots of good news around here lately and I hope it keeps coming!
CD 10 here. This cycle I tried EPO for EWCM...gosh, that stuff made me feel sick. I didn''t read about the side effects in advance and I woke up nauseous three days in a row! I looked online for the side effects and, sure enough, nausea is one of them. Soooo, I switched to Mucinex and...VOILA! EWCM like crazy. Yippee! It''s the little things I celebrate
CD 10 here. This cycle I tried EPO for EWCM...gosh, that stuff made me feel sick. I didn''t read about the side effects in advance and I woke up nauseous three days in a row! I looked online for the side effects and, sure enough, nausea is one of them. Soooo, I switched to Mucinex and...VOILA! EWCM like crazy. Yippee! It''s the little things I celebrate
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wonderful news lindsey! Good luck at the U/S- how exciting!
DH S/A results came back today- doctor said results were normal and had him fax me over a copy of the actual report- his sperm count was a bit high but i guess the doc didnt see it as a concern. Since both his SA test and the tests i''ve done so far have all come back normal, my OBGYN said she would be willing to put me on Clomid since it has been 6 mo of TTC- my apt is at the end of november to further discuss this with her.
When I talked to my OBGYN from what I remember she said the only real risk is small chance of twins/mulitples- although it could mean a more complicated pregnanacy, my DH & I would be okay with that if that is what happened. Hope you dont mind me asking but how has your experiences with Clomid been? If anyone has any imput it would be greatly appreciated.
On a side note AF arrived today
DH S/A results came back today- doctor said results were normal and had him fax me over a copy of the actual report- his sperm count was a bit high but i guess the doc didnt see it as a concern. Since both his SA test and the tests i''ve done so far have all come back normal, my OBGYN said she would be willing to put me on Clomid since it has been 6 mo of TTC- my apt is at the end of november to further discuss this with her.
When I talked to my OBGYN from what I remember she said the only real risk is small chance of twins/mulitples- although it could mean a more complicated pregnanacy, my DH & I would be okay with that if that is what happened. Hope you dont mind me asking but how has your experiences with Clomid been? If anyone has any imput it would be greatly appreciated.
On a side note AF arrived today
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Lucy,
That is great that your DH's SA came back okay!!! I am still waiting for my DH's SA results!!!
I am sure you will got lots of feedback about the Clomid, but did your dr say why, aside from the fact that you've been TTC'g for 6 mos. How have your cycles been? Are you clearly ovulating each month on about the same cycle day? Have you had any bloodwork yet?
Sorry to hear about AF arriving. On to the new month!! I hope this is the one!!
That is great that your DH's SA came back okay!!! I am still waiting for my DH's SA results!!!
I am sure you will got lots of feedback about the Clomid, but did your dr say why, aside from the fact that you've been TTC'g for 6 mos. How have your cycles been? Are you clearly ovulating each month on about the same cycle day? Have you had any bloodwork yet?
Sorry to hear about AF arriving. On to the new month!! I hope this is the one!!
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Lucy - high sperm count is not a problem. I can''t remember if you said how old you are, or why you''ve started testing after only 6 months of TTC. If you''re not 35+, may not have had great timing the last couple months etc, I''d wait on taking clomid if I were you. Chances are pretty high that you''ll get the BFP on your own in the next few months if there''s nothing obviously wrong with you. I was on it for a number of months for late/no ovulation (PCO), and low luteal progesterone. DH also had sperm issues, and we''d been trying for over a year already. Over those few months (went from 25mg for 3 days to 50mg for 5 days), I only ever developed one follicle, and my cervical mucus pretty much dried up. I think my lining thinned out too. So it''s not without side effects.
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