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That's what I call them. Velociraptors. They care about nothing but laying eggs, procreating and eating.
The Trump Policy of Separating Families at the US Border
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That's what I call them. Velociraptors. They care about nothing but laying eggs, procreating and eating.
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Don't trip and fall down around them or you're toast. LOL. I have bad luck with farm animals. Was attacked by a large flock of very big chickens on a hiking trail that went through a private farm (can't remember the country). In Slovenia, a pig and a chicken followed us halfway up a mountain with a hungry gleam in their eyes. On a trail in the mountains in Northern California I was almost knocked off a cliff by a cow. Darn government allows free range cattle to roam on public land. I have to take a xanax if I even hear someone sing "Old McDonald had a farm"
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Don't trip and fall down around them or you're toast. LOL. I have bad luck with farm animals. Was attacked by a large flock of very big chickens on a hiking trail that went through a private farm (can't remember the country). In Slovenia, a pig and a chicken followed us halfway up a mountain with a hungry gleam in their eyes. On a trail in the mountains in Northern California I was almost knocked off a cliff by a cow. Darn government allows free range cattle to roam on public land. I have to take a xanax if I even hear someone sing "Old McDonald had a farm"
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When my best friend had chickens she couldn't bear to take the eggs away from the hens. She said it makes them very unhappy. (I wouldn't know.) Her son had to gather the eggs. And then there was her famous pet chicken, Miss Peepers, whose picture I have posted here before. Miss Peepers was a chick bought at a County Fair in Maine who lived to be 16 years old. She had a large crate in the house. One of my friend's wolf-hybrids was terrified of her because she ran back and forth in her crate and made noise. He wouldn't walk through the living room because her crate was there. (He is a very neurotic dog. Sometimes he won't jump off the bed!) But it is strange to see a hundred pound Malamute wolf-dog be afraid of a one and a half pound chicken!
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Ah hah! More proof that chickens are
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I had another friend, this one was in Virginia, who had bantam chickens. A fox got to them. They could have used more protection. Check out this Maremma Sheepdog!
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Adam Schiff tweeted today that Kirstjen Nielsen privately told lawmakers the adminstation may go back to separating children from their parents. Congress must make change to ensure this NEVER happens. I’m urging the House Appropriations Committed to prevent funds from ever being used to separate families entering the US.
This administration is pure evil.
Melania Trump’s $39 jacket was a big deal. She was sending a message to Trump’s base. She is just as awful as her husband.
Our standing in the world is suffering.
This administration is pure evil.
Melania Trump’s $39 jacket was a big deal. She was sending a message to Trump’s base. She is just as awful as her husband.
Our standing in the world is suffering.
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It's literally impossible to imagine. The GOP would have lost their collective shit.
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see you all have been keeping each other entertained.
Anyway , I saw this picture today on fb and made it my fb pic. Becuase I care and any decent human should care too. Illegal immigrants are still people. Some of them broke the law when they came. Most did not want to do so. They are not bad people. They deserve respect and to be treated with dignity. I am against illegal immigration. I dont want people coming without permission. The fact is that We do not have a system that can handle the requests though. How can we expect them to follow the law if there is no reasonable way for them to do so... That is on US. Until congress fixes the system and figures out how to give everyone who wants to come a chance and helps those who are trying to seek legal asylum I don't see how blaming these children and people who are fleeing for their safety is helping anyone. I saw several law firms are going to be doing probono work for some of the separated families. I hope until every family is united and able to make their case before a judge, the media will keep up the pressure and the reporting. The families that are separated should be reunited immediately. I care.
Anyway , I saw this picture today on fb and made it my fb pic. Becuase I care and any decent human should care too. Illegal immigrants are still people. Some of them broke the law when they came. Most did not want to do so. They are not bad people. They deserve respect and to be treated with dignity. I am against illegal immigration. I dont want people coming without permission. The fact is that We do not have a system that can handle the requests though. How can we expect them to follow the law if there is no reasonable way for them to do so... That is on US. Until congress fixes the system and figures out how to give everyone who wants to come a chance and helps those who are trying to seek legal asylum I don't see how blaming these children and people who are fleeing for their safety is helping anyone. I saw several law firms are going to be doing probono work for some of the separated families. I hope until every family is united and able to make their case before a judge, the media will keep up the pressure and the reporting. The families that are separated should be reunited immediately. I care.
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Why should I?. unlike the liberals here I'd believe in freedom of speech. If it makes you feel any better please throw the kitchen sink at me!
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Speaking of the coat, It would appear that the coat would be a very adept description of trumps 2020 campaign. It sums up trumps attitude towards not just the media, but decency and anyone who is not serving him as a whole.
Melania’s people said it was a coat with no meaning , trump contradicted that lie and said it had a meaning and she was angry at the press ( which obviously was another lie )
I think it would serve as a wake up call though. The trumps dont care. What will the US do about it.
There was no hidden meaning there, the trump family literally spelled it out in big print for everyone.
And FWIW, if she wasnt saying she doesnt care about separated children, then it is truly MIND BLOWING that anyone could be so dense as to not see that wearing that coat in late june for a photo op about separated kids is not offensive. To be that dense, and unaware of the message it would send would be beyond incompetent. It would be unbelievable.
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This is definitely true- everyone used to hold the US as a beacon of all that was modern, innovative and true, a real ally in the world. Now we feel sorry for you. Although every country has its problems now, I want to be a European but against my will I soon won’t be
I’m also a bit worried some of our politicians are thinking that if Trump can get away with it, maybe they can, too.
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Michelle Goldberg really nails the problem in this essay. In this case Trump's incompetence, even though he was attempting to carry out an evil plan, made things worse. Usually it is good if an evil dictator's plan fails, but in this case, when the plan failed, the children got lost. She explains why that happened given who Trump is.
An excerpt is below.
"In the early days of Donald Trump’s regime, Benjamin Wittes, editor of the Lawfare blog, coined an oft-repeated phrase about the president’s first, slapdash Muslim ban: 'malevolence tempered by incompetence.' It’s a useful formulation; Trump’s fascist instincts would be much more dangerous if he had the discipline to pursue them systematically instead of spasmodically.
Yet sometimes Trump’s incompetence and malevolence are not at cross-purposes; instead, there’s a multiplier effect. This was true of the White House’s catastrophically inadequate response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. And it’s true of the cavalier way the administration took thousands of children from migrant parents with no process in place to reunite them.
On Wednesday, amid a mounting national outcry, Trump signed an executive order purporting to end his administration’s own family separation policy. It’s not clear how lasting the order’s impact will be. Trump wants to replace family separation with indefinite mass family detention, which would run afoul of legal precedent. (On Thursday afternoon, The New York Times reported that the Pentagon was assessing how and where to hold as many as 20,000 migrant children on military bases.) The administration is still using threats to children to pressure Congress to cut legal immigration and to fund a border wall. As The Washington Post reported on Wednesday, 'Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen warned lawmakers during a private briefing on Capitol Hill that the family separations could resume if they fail to act.'
For a moment, however, some families might have a reprieve from official sadism. On Thursday, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection official told The Post that it would stop referring parents caught crossing the border with their children for criminal prosecution until the infrastructure for family detention is in place.
Moments later, the Department of Justice contradicted this statement, saying the so-called 'zero tolerance' policy is unchanged. If the C.B.P. official is correct, it would be great news. But the confusion about this fairly straightforward policy directive is just a tiny taste of the Kafkaesque hell that still faces frantic migrant parents trying to locate kids who’ve been taken from them. Trump’s executive order said nothing about reuniting children and parents who’ve already been separated. Messages from government agencies have been contradictory. There’s still no clear process for many of these parents to even find out where their kids are, never mind get them back.
Even experts are having trouble figuring out what the Trump administration has done with some of these kids. The Times described consular officials from Central America in 'crisis mode' as they search for 'children as young as 9 months old who did not appear to have been carefully tracked by the federal authorities.' Writing in The Post, an El Paso public defender named Erik Hanshew quoted an incredulous judge: 'If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?'
Most competent disaster relief operations include family tracking systems to reunite displaced relatives. 'Best practice is always to make sure that if families are broken apart for any reason, somebody is in charge of figuring out a system for putting them back together,' Emily Butera, a senior policy adviser at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told me. Unlike most emergencies, family separation was deliberately engineered by the government, so planning for the aftermath should have been easier. Yet somehow no one appears to have thought to create a database to help parents and children locate each other.
Part of the reason for this failure could be Trump’s indifference to expertise. He appointed E. Scott Lloyd, an anti-abortion activist, to head the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the agency charged with caring for children after they’re separated from their parents. Lloyd had little discernible experience working with refugees, and he has spent a significant amount of time at ORR trying to prevent pregnant underage migrants from getting abortions. Nothing in his background indicates an ability to handle the sort of complex logistical and humanitarian challenge he’s now presented with."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/opinion/trump-family-separation-melania-jacket.html
An excerpt is below.
"In the early days of Donald Trump’s regime, Benjamin Wittes, editor of the Lawfare blog, coined an oft-repeated phrase about the president’s first, slapdash Muslim ban: 'malevolence tempered by incompetence.' It’s a useful formulation; Trump’s fascist instincts would be much more dangerous if he had the discipline to pursue them systematically instead of spasmodically.
Yet sometimes Trump’s incompetence and malevolence are not at cross-purposes; instead, there’s a multiplier effect. This was true of the White House’s catastrophically inadequate response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. And it’s true of the cavalier way the administration took thousands of children from migrant parents with no process in place to reunite them.
On Wednesday, amid a mounting national outcry, Trump signed an executive order purporting to end his administration’s own family separation policy. It’s not clear how lasting the order’s impact will be. Trump wants to replace family separation with indefinite mass family detention, which would run afoul of legal precedent. (On Thursday afternoon, The New York Times reported that the Pentagon was assessing how and where to hold as many as 20,000 migrant children on military bases.) The administration is still using threats to children to pressure Congress to cut legal immigration and to fund a border wall. As The Washington Post reported on Wednesday, 'Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen warned lawmakers during a private briefing on Capitol Hill that the family separations could resume if they fail to act.'
For a moment, however, some families might have a reprieve from official sadism. On Thursday, a U.S. Customs and Border Protection official told The Post that it would stop referring parents caught crossing the border with their children for criminal prosecution until the infrastructure for family detention is in place.
Moments later, the Department of Justice contradicted this statement, saying the so-called 'zero tolerance' policy is unchanged. If the C.B.P. official is correct, it would be great news. But the confusion about this fairly straightforward policy directive is just a tiny taste of the Kafkaesque hell that still faces frantic migrant parents trying to locate kids who’ve been taken from them. Trump’s executive order said nothing about reuniting children and parents who’ve already been separated. Messages from government agencies have been contradictory. There’s still no clear process for many of these parents to even find out where their kids are, never mind get them back.
Even experts are having trouble figuring out what the Trump administration has done with some of these kids. The Times described consular officials from Central America in 'crisis mode' as they search for 'children as young as 9 months old who did not appear to have been carefully tracked by the federal authorities.' Writing in The Post, an El Paso public defender named Erik Hanshew quoted an incredulous judge: 'If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?'
Most competent disaster relief operations include family tracking systems to reunite displaced relatives. 'Best practice is always to make sure that if families are broken apart for any reason, somebody is in charge of figuring out a system for putting them back together,' Emily Butera, a senior policy adviser at the Women’s Refugee Commission, told me. Unlike most emergencies, family separation was deliberately engineered by the government, so planning for the aftermath should have been easier. Yet somehow no one appears to have thought to create a database to help parents and children locate each other.
Part of the reason for this failure could be Trump’s indifference to expertise. He appointed E. Scott Lloyd, an anti-abortion activist, to head the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the agency charged with caring for children after they’re separated from their parents. Lloyd had little discernible experience working with refugees, and he has spent a significant amount of time at ORR trying to prevent pregnant underage migrants from getting abortions. Nothing in his background indicates an ability to handle the sort of complex logistical and humanitarian challenge he’s now presented with."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/opinion/trump-family-separation-melania-jacket.html
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I tend to give Melania a bit more slack because I think she is a miserable woman - since money can’t always buy happiness. But the jacket was definitely in poor taste and I can’t help but think it’s on purpose...
Ever since the Trump presidency started it all feels like a “reality show” except that sadly it’s all real and not staged... like the **** stars, Trump attacking his traditional allies and hugging past enemies, all this mess with separating migrant families...
How long more until this show is supposed to end? Or will there be a 2nd season?
Ever since the Trump presidency started it all feels like a “reality show” except that sadly it’s all real and not staged... like the **** stars, Trump attacking his traditional allies and hugging past enemies, all this mess with separating migrant families...
How long more until this show is supposed to end? Or will there be a 2nd season?
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You are right, @icy_jade . Everything he has done has about as much substance as a reality show. Impulsive, proclamations without thought or knowledge of internal workings, empty statements, swimming in the storm of the irrational and emotional without tether to competence or cogent application. Pomp and show for ‘ratings’ amongst his crazy base.I tend to give Melania a bit more slack because I think she is a miserable woman - since money can’t always buy happiness. But the jacket was definitely in poor taste and I can’t help but think it’s on purpose...
Ever since the Trump presidency started it all feels like a “reality show” except that sadly it’s all real and not staged... like the **** stars, Trump attacking his traditional allies and hugging past enemies, all this mess with separating migrant families...
How long more until this show is supposed to end? Or will there be a 2nd season?
At worst, we have already suffered 1/4 way through this. That helps me focus on the end point. And then there is the repair of damages done. We will see how it all affects the collective spirit and consciousness, the zeitgeist. New moral and ethical lows will not be so easily raised again. That is the real damage.
I wonder often, if the US is destined to plunge into phychosis and destruction, a dark age, as part of an evolution to rebuild true and meaningful human progress. It has happened before, for it is a dialectic between goodness, inspiration, higher ideals, and primitive impulses, such as greed, self interest regardless of damage to others, Rat eat rat. I hope I will see it in my lifetime. I fear for the children of today, and the burdens which they will inherit and the mess which they will have to clean up. I was lucky to be born into this world during a golden era, without such overwhelming challenges. I fear that our children will not be so lucky.
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They do care, because the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. They clearly hate, which is the other end of the emotional spectrum of love. In this spectrum, there is a form of care attached. For, such cruel measures diminish an essential part of who we collectively were. What made the nation great, as a nation of immigrants. The only true people of this land are the Native Americans.The reason they lost all those kids and families is because this regime doesn't see them as people. They see them as animals, things, numbers. It's just not important to them to keep track
To allow such cruelty, we must abondon and destroy a part of ourselves too, and this is not indifference. It comes at a cost, And a hurt, which is larger than we realize at the moment. The indignantly vengeful spirit in which punishing, ripping common decency away comes with the tombstones of dissolution, death of hopes, dreams, forsaken promises...a kind of hell. If it were the case that they don’t care, immigrants would be sent home in a fair manner, without all of the emotion which Trump and his base has attached to this matter.
Melania’s coat which she wore, in spite of how inappropriate it would be for any FLOTUS to wear anywhere at any time, is testimony to this. The act of wearing it, directly disproves the message written on it. It is an attemp to suppress, to deny the psychological cost which has been extolled. And to urge the base to try to do the same.
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More on Melania's jacket from Late Night:
Best of Late Night
Kimmel Can’t Figure Out Melania Trump’s ‘I Really Don’t Care’ Jacket
Jimmy Kimmel struggled to figure out why Melania Trump wore a jacket proclaiming, “I really don’t care.” He wondered: “Is the president now tweeting onto his wife’s clothes?”
Welcome to Best of Late Night, a rundown of the previous night’s highlights that lets you sleep
‘DO U?’
It can’t be easy to make jokes about something you absolutely do not understand. But on Thursday, after Melania Trump made a very puzzling fashion choice, Jimmy Kimmel proved he can scratch his head and tell jokes at the same time.
On her way to meet a group of migrant children who had been separated from their parents because of a controversial Trump administration policy, Trump wore a Zara jacket declaring, “I really don’t care.”
“She was on her way to meet children who have been separated from their parents. This is what she wore on the plane ride there: a jacket that says, ‘I REALLY DON’T CARE. DO U?’ Is the president now tweeting onto his wife’s clothes?” — JIMMY KIMMEL
“Remember when Michelle Obama showed her bare arms and went to an oil spill, and Fox News went nuts? I’m sure they’ll have the same reaction to this.” — JIMMY KIMMEL
Trevor Noah had his own theory about the first lady’s message of apathy.
“It is kind of sweet that she made a jacket out of her and Donald’s wedding vows.” — TREVOR NOAH
Best of Late Night
Kimmel Can’t Figure Out Melania Trump’s ‘I Really Don’t Care’ Jacket
Jimmy Kimmel struggled to figure out why Melania Trump wore a jacket proclaiming, “I really don’t care.” He wondered: “Is the president now tweeting onto his wife’s clothes?”
Welcome to Best of Late Night, a rundown of the previous night’s highlights that lets you sleep
‘DO U?’
It can’t be easy to make jokes about something you absolutely do not understand. But on Thursday, after Melania Trump made a very puzzling fashion choice, Jimmy Kimmel proved he can scratch his head and tell jokes at the same time.
On her way to meet a group of migrant children who had been separated from their parents because of a controversial Trump administration policy, Trump wore a Zara jacket declaring, “I really don’t care.”
“She was on her way to meet children who have been separated from their parents. This is what she wore on the plane ride there: a jacket that says, ‘I REALLY DON’T CARE. DO U?’ Is the president now tweeting onto his wife’s clothes?” — JIMMY KIMMEL
“Remember when Michelle Obama showed her bare arms and went to an oil spill, and Fox News went nuts? I’m sure they’ll have the same reaction to this.” — JIMMY KIMMEL
“It is kind of sweet that she made a jacket out of her and Donald’s wedding vows.” — TREVOR NOAH
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Jan. 2025How long more until this show is supposed to end? Or will there be a 2nd season?
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Nope. Democrats just need to find a good gun-loving candidate, and I think we'll be all set.
What a complete nightmare. All of these people. The only saving grace for our country is the people who are willing to stand up and try to fix this mess. There are still more good people in the world than bad. That's the mantra that keeps my spirits high.
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The dems need a moderate to run.
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Like who?
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Like who?
I don't know. I'd love to see Joe Kennedy run.
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How Donald Trump killed the immigration bill with 1 tweet
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 10:01 AM ET, Fri June 22, 2018
(CNN)For weeks, House Republican leaders have been working behind closed doors to thread the needle on an immigration bill that could secure the support of the bulk on their conference.
On Friday morning, President Donald Trump ended all that with a tweet.
"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," Trump tweeted. "Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"
And, boom goes the dynamite.
Now. The so-called "compromise" legislation -- constructed by House Speaker Paul Ryan to make moderates and conservative happy -- was already on life support before Trump came in and pulled the plug. A vote on the measure was originally scheduled for Thursday. It was then set for Friday. Then late Thursday, it was postponed until next week as GOP leaders insisted they saw a glimmer of hope to write a bill that might actually pass the House.
That hope is dead now. Imagine you are a conservative Republican resistant to the "compromise" bill because it provides a path to citizenship for DACA recipients. You now have every reason in the world not to come to the table and take a tough vote. The President literally said there was no point!
The question before Ryan and the rest of his leadership team is whether there's even any merit in trying to push for a vote on the compromise bill next week -- or even if it's worth making some of the changes on things like E-verify that their members expressed a desire for over the past 48 hours.
The problem with pushing for a vote on a bill that's doomed is you put your members in a very difficult place. Please vote for this legislation -- that includes $25 billion to fund Trump's border wall -- even though it has zero chance of passing in the Senate and the President is on record as saying the fight is pointless.
On the other hand, moderates -- and many members in swing districts -- within the conference want to be able to vote on something regarding DACA before November so that they can go back to their constituents and say they are working hard to address the immigration problem.
The immigration discharge petition -- a legislative end-around organized by moderates and members with seats with high Hispanic populations -- was the vehicle for that vote, but Ryan, fearing an open debate and votes on immigration that favored a bipartisan bill, sought to cut it off at the pass with his compromise bill. And now that the legislation that the discharge petition was attached to -- a more conservative immigration bill that failed the House on Thursday -- is dead, a new discharge petition would have to be started and all the signatures would have to be gathered again. And Democrats would make Republicans prove they can put up enough signatures this time before they sign on.
All of which means that what Trump did Friday morning effectively ends the immigration debate in Congress until the fall. And raises the stakes on the already hugely important showdown over the budget -- and whether Trump will get the full funding he wants for the border wall. "We come up again on September 28, and if we don't get border security, we'll have no choice," Trump said in April of the coming fall fight. "We'll close down the country because we need border security."
A government shutdown over wall funding would be a disaster for Republicans in marginal congressional districts.
To be clear: The chances of any sort of immigration legislation passing next week was always slim. The only way it had any chance was to have a fully invested and activated Trump poking, prodding and cajoling House Republicans into voting for the compromise bill. He feinted at that during a meeting with House Republicans earlier in the week but his heart clearly wasn't in it. So, on Friday morning, he killed it -- and, in so doing, undid weeks of negotiations by leaders of his own party and sowed just the sort of chaos and political confusion no party wants less than five months before an election.
Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
Updated 10:01 AM ET, Fri June 22, 2018
(CNN)For weeks, House Republican leaders have been working behind closed doors to thread the needle on an immigration bill that could secure the support of the bulk on their conference.
On Friday morning, President Donald Trump ended all that with a tweet.
"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," Trump tweeted. "Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"
And, boom goes the dynamite.
Now. The so-called "compromise" legislation -- constructed by House Speaker Paul Ryan to make moderates and conservative happy -- was already on life support before Trump came in and pulled the plug. A vote on the measure was originally scheduled for Thursday. It was then set for Friday. Then late Thursday, it was postponed until next week as GOP leaders insisted they saw a glimmer of hope to write a bill that might actually pass the House.
That hope is dead now. Imagine you are a conservative Republican resistant to the "compromise" bill because it provides a path to citizenship for DACA recipients. You now have every reason in the world not to come to the table and take a tough vote. The President literally said there was no point!
The question before Ryan and the rest of his leadership team is whether there's even any merit in trying to push for a vote on the compromise bill next week -- or even if it's worth making some of the changes on things like E-verify that their members expressed a desire for over the past 48 hours.
The problem with pushing for a vote on a bill that's doomed is you put your members in a very difficult place. Please vote for this legislation -- that includes $25 billion to fund Trump's border wall -- even though it has zero chance of passing in the Senate and the President is on record as saying the fight is pointless.
On the other hand, moderates -- and many members in swing districts -- within the conference want to be able to vote on something regarding DACA before November so that they can go back to their constituents and say they are working hard to address the immigration problem.
The immigration discharge petition -- a legislative end-around organized by moderates and members with seats with high Hispanic populations -- was the vehicle for that vote, but Ryan, fearing an open debate and votes on immigration that favored a bipartisan bill, sought to cut it off at the pass with his compromise bill. And now that the legislation that the discharge petition was attached to -- a more conservative immigration bill that failed the House on Thursday -- is dead, a new discharge petition would have to be started and all the signatures would have to be gathered again. And Democrats would make Republicans prove they can put up enough signatures this time before they sign on.
All of which means that what Trump did Friday morning effectively ends the immigration debate in Congress until the fall. And raises the stakes on the already hugely important showdown over the budget -- and whether Trump will get the full funding he wants for the border wall. "We come up again on September 28, and if we don't get border security, we'll have no choice," Trump said in April of the coming fall fight. "We'll close down the country because we need border security."
A government shutdown over wall funding would be a disaster for Republicans in marginal congressional districts.
To be clear: The chances of any sort of immigration legislation passing next week was always slim. The only way it had any chance was to have a fully invested and activated Trump poking, prodding and cajoling House Republicans into voting for the compromise bill. He feinted at that during a meeting with House Republicans earlier in the week but his heart clearly wasn't in it. So, on Friday morning, he killed it -- and, in so doing, undid weeks of negotiations by leaders of his own party and sowed just the sort of chaos and political confusion no party wants less than five months before an election.
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Hi,
I did learn new information, for me, this morning. I was bothered by the notion that that 35,000 illegals were coming across the border each month and I did assume they were Mexicans. This is not the case. They are mostly refugees from Central America. Again we use different words to classify the immigrants seeking entry.
In 2002 1.2 million came across the border . Since the Obama years and the success of Nafta the numbers have decreased to 350,000 per yr which agrees with the 35,000 per month that I read about. The figures were 34.000 and 37,000 for Feb and March. I can't tell you exactly where I read it but I read mostly mainstream outlets. Mexicans have greatly reduced their numbers. I do not know the exact breakdown.
I'm repeating some remarks I heard this morning, but I have mentioned this before although not in this exact way. America itself, both parties included, have looked the other way when it come to Mexicans crossing the border. People knew, but they supplied good labor, not always cheap, but really good workers. So everyone let it be until the startling news that we had 11 million illegals, not all Mexicans (8 mil)by the way. Then we got a Pres who truly knows nothing and he began calling these immigrants all sorts of names. So to end , yes Maria, they are mostly refugees seeking entry, not illegals crossing the border. This puts a different face on things.
I am so sorry I just can't think of the name of the muslim full black dress, covering the face.(old age).hijab ? I was trying to show ordinary people have prejudices or biases, but acknowledging they may well be very nice people.
Maria--I don't think the solution to an over whelming immigrant population ought to be to tell those who criticize it to move elsewhere. The Cubans in Florida wanted Spanish to be the official language. There was quite an uproar about this. There was white flight going on when blacks came into some areas. I don't know if it still happens. I was very fortunate to have some experience in my life where I could do a little experimenting and have found that when certain population percentages reach a certain point, there is a tipping point, and the dominant population recedes quickly, and "the other" fills the empty places. Of course there are always pockets of those communities who exist and prosper. Hope that clarifies.
Annette
I did learn new information, for me, this morning. I was bothered by the notion that that 35,000 illegals were coming across the border each month and I did assume they were Mexicans. This is not the case. They are mostly refugees from Central America. Again we use different words to classify the immigrants seeking entry.
In 2002 1.2 million came across the border . Since the Obama years and the success of Nafta the numbers have decreased to 350,000 per yr which agrees with the 35,000 per month that I read about. The figures were 34.000 and 37,000 for Feb and March. I can't tell you exactly where I read it but I read mostly mainstream outlets. Mexicans have greatly reduced their numbers. I do not know the exact breakdown.
I'm repeating some remarks I heard this morning, but I have mentioned this before although not in this exact way. America itself, both parties included, have looked the other way when it come to Mexicans crossing the border. People knew, but they supplied good labor, not always cheap, but really good workers. So everyone let it be until the startling news that we had 11 million illegals, not all Mexicans (8 mil)by the way. Then we got a Pres who truly knows nothing and he began calling these immigrants all sorts of names. So to end , yes Maria, they are mostly refugees seeking entry, not illegals crossing the border. This puts a different face on things.
I am so sorry I just can't think of the name of the muslim full black dress, covering the face.(old age).hijab ? I was trying to show ordinary people have prejudices or biases, but acknowledging they may well be very nice people.
Maria--I don't think the solution to an over whelming immigrant population ought to be to tell those who criticize it to move elsewhere. The Cubans in Florida wanted Spanish to be the official language. There was quite an uproar about this. There was white flight going on when blacks came into some areas. I don't know if it still happens. I was very fortunate to have some experience in my life where I could do a little experimenting and have found that when certain population percentages reach a certain point, there is a tipping point, and the dominant population recedes quickly, and "the other" fills the empty places. Of course there are always pockets of those communities who exist and prosper. Hope that clarifies.
Annette
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