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To all the dealers trashing Lab Diamonds

DejaWiz said:
There has been a plethora of answers that you've received from many that offered their own subjective takes and viewpoints.
Which objective answer are you specifically looking for?
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I guess something along the lines of why folks, some of them anyway, do not consider a diamond sourced from a lab to possess the same qualities as a diamond from the Earth. That might be a better way of saying it, rather than referring to them as lab grown diamonds and earth diamonds. It’s more about they both
“ have what it takes” to put it in an extremely unsophisticated way, to qualify them as diamonds. From reading everybody’s posts, I understand that there can be differences in fluorescence and diamonds mined from the Earth might skew more blue, whereas diamonds from a lab might skew more orange, if I got that all that right, but I am under the impression that diamonds are diamonds, regardless of the source. Several folks have given me the billion-year remarks, except that still doesn’t answer the question. If I made it sound like I was trying to find out what people prefer, that was not my intent. My intent was to understand why people don’t recognize diamonds as diamonds.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Dear Roselina. Perhaps I got more focused on the posts where people said they feel like it would be costume jewelry. That’s the part I just can’t wrap my head around.
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The price of labs has fallen, fallen, fallen. They can be massed produced and are very affordable to many. People can sport much larger lab diamonds than they could natural diamonds. They will always be plentiful and relatively inexpensive compared to natural diamonds. This may lead to the feeling of costume jewelry for some.
People recognize them as lab diamonds but differentiate them from natural diamonds. Grading laboratories can see the difference between the two as well, so they will always be classified in two separate categories. Beyond that, the price point is telling in their monetary value. I think you want people to validate your feeling that they are one and the same. There are definite reasons why they are not - even though they are both called diamonds. Again, enjoy your ring for what it is and don’t worry about how others feel. I love my naturals and could give a hoot what others may think of them. I buy to please myself - not others.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
I guess something along the lines of why folks, some of them anyway, do not consider a diamond sourced from a lab to possess the same qualities as a diamond from the Earth. That might be a better way of saying it, rather than referring to them as lab grown diamonds and earth diamonds. It’s more about they both
“ have what it takes” to put it in an extremely unsophisticated way, to qualify them as diamonds. From reading everybody’s posts, I understand that there can be differences in fluorescence and diamonds mined from the Earth might skew more blue, whereas diamonds from a lab might skew more orange, if I got that all that right, but I am under the impression that diamonds are diamonds, regardless of the source. Several folks have given me the billion-year remarks, except that still doesn’t answer the question. If I made it sound like I was trying to find out what people prefer, that was not my intent. My intent was to understand why people don’t recognize diamonds as diamonds.
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From what I've gathered during my time here and the Reddit diamond subs: people that don't recognize lab grown diamonds as "real" are usually traditionally minded and will only consider natural earth grown diamonds as "diamonds"...and that's just fine since there is a very unique allure to those diamonds that only the earth can provide us. There's deep meaning in that of which no human grown diamond can offer to those folks...again, it's their prerogative and right to feel about them how they do. No right or wrong. Yin and Yang. It affects everyone else's lives 0.00%
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
I fold.
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I'm just catching up and my head is spinning :cry:. I don't understand why there is a flurry of responses to someone who is looking for a specific response that no one is able to provide or define, because it is based on this individual's OWN OPINION. None of us, that I know of, are in the business of convincing- we are just here to appreciate jewelry ;)2- All forms!

Just like no one else could convince me that Lab Diamonds are the exact same as Naturally mined diamonds- their properties are not the "exact same"- as their are specific ways to test and differentiate them. If they were indeed the EXACT same, machines and tests wouldn't be able to differentiate between the two- alas, there are means to do just that. They are different. Sorry. Clearly the market thinks so too, hence the price. That doesn't mean that Lab Diamonds don't have a place, they do! They are Beautiful... They afford people a "look" - and the look they are trying to achieve is that of a Natural DIamond... Is that not accurate? At the end of the day, "you do you!" That is what this forum is all about- our love of Jewelry, and Diamonds specifically... but this incessant need for people to have to explain their position with mined diamonds seems ridiculous. What makes Natural Diamonds special is that they are finite and rare, lab diamond are massed produced and available in abundance. Again, no shade, just facts.
 
DejaWiz said:
Chelsea Palmer I think your inquiry would be better served as a new thread you should create over in the LGD subforum: you will get much more LGD-centric feedback and answers there from both LGD and/or Natural diamond lovers:

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Oh dear God, no! I’m done with this topic. It’s still more about why people prefer an earth diamond over a lab diamond, and that’s not really what I was asking. I was asking how it can be that a diamond is not recognized as a diamond. Regardless of the source of the diamond. That was it! There’s no way I’m resuming this somewhere else. Thanks for the suggestion though.
 
TruLuv858 said:
I'm just catching up and my head is spinning :cry:. I don't understand why there is a flurry of responses to someone who is looking for a specific response that no one is able to provide or define, because it is based on this individual's OWN OPINION. None of us, that I know of, are in the business of convincing- we are just here to appreciate jewelry ;)2- All forms!

Just like no one else could convince me that Lab Diamonds are the exact same as Naturally mined diamonds- their properties are not the "exact same"- as their are specific ways to test and differentiate them. If they were indeed the EXACT same, machines and tests wouldn't be able to differentiate between the two- alas, there are means to do just that. They are different. Sorry. Clearly the market thinks so too, hence the price. That doesn't mean that Lab Diamonds don't have a place, they do! They are Beautiful... They afford people a "look" - and the look they are trying to achieve is that of a Natural DIamond... Is that not accurate? At the end of the day, "you do you!" That is what this forum is all about- our love of Jewelry, and Diamonds specifically... but this incessant need for people to have to explain their position with mined diamonds seems ridiculous. What makes Natural Diamonds special is that they are finite and rare, lab diamond are massed produced and available in abundance. Again, no shade, just facts.
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I don’t take any offense to anything you said. At least you more understood my original question. I wasn’t looking for people’s opinions on their preference as much as I was looking for someone, anyone, to say this is why diamonds created in a lab differ from diamonds that come from the Earth and why they don’t consider diamonds grown in a lab to be diamonds, despite, at least from what I’ve read, that they do possess the same qualities.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
I don’t take any offense to anything you said. At least you more understood my original question. I wasn’t looking for people’s opinions on their preference as much as I was looking for someone, anyone, to say this is why diamonds created in a lab differ from diamonds that come from the Earth and why they don’t consider diamonds grown in a lab to be diamonds, despite, at least from what I’ve read, that they do possess the same qualities.
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Let me ask one more thing, please. If they do have differences, is it still not a fact that diamonds grown in a lab are diamonds?
 
OMG. The horse has been beaten to the point where it doesn’t even look like a horse anymore. Show some mercy and just STOP.
 
MissGotRocks said:
The price of labs has fallen, fallen, fallen. They can be massed produced and are very affordable to many. People can sport much larger lab diamonds than they could natural diamonds. They will always be plentiful and relatively inexpensive compared to natural diamonds. This may lead to the feeling of costume jewelry for some.
People recognize them as lab diamonds but differentiate them from natural diamonds. Grading laboratories can see the difference between the two as well, so they will always be classified in two separate categories. Beyond that, the price point is telling in their monetary value. I think you want people to validate your feeling that they are one and the same. There are definite reasons why they are not - even though they are both called diamonds. Again, enjoy your ring for what it is and don’t worry about how others feel. I love my naturals and could give a hoot what others may think of them. I buy to please myself - not others.
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I’m not worried about how anybody feels about my diamond. This was strictly economics for me. If I could’ve gotten the same lab diamond via the Earth, for the same price, I would’ve. Actually I don’t think I would’ve cared one way or the other. But that’s beside the point. There may be differences between the two, but they’re both diamonds. And my question was how is that not recognized? Not whether someone prefers the allure of billions of years or whatever, but how a diamond grown in a lab is somehow not a diamond.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
I’m not worried about how anybody feels about my diamond. This was strictly economics for me. If I could’ve gotten the same lab diamond via the Earth, for the same price, I would’ve. Actually I don’t think I would’ve cared one way or the other. But that’s beside the point. There may be differences between the two, but they’re both diamonds. And my question was how is that not recognized? Not whether someone prefers the allure of billions of years or whatever, but how a diamond grown in a lab is somehow not a diamond.
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No one is saying it is not a diamond - they are differentiating between lab diamonds and natural diamonds. There are differences and differences in preference.
You ran a pages long thread about grading labs and vendors calling their reports certifications. While it may not be entirely accurate, reasons were set forth and explanations given. Still you perseverated over that issue. I think you just enjoy a robust debate, but I truly think this one has long ago run its course.
 
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Chelsea Palmer said:
Let me ask one more thing, please. If they do have differences, is it still not a fact that diamonds grown in a lab are diamonds?
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Answer that for yourself since that is all that truly matters: Do you consider lab grown diamonds to be real diamonds? Whatever your answer is, nobody else's viewpoint or opinion on lab grown diamonds matters since it only applies to their own life and freedom of choice thus has zero bearing on your own viewpoint or opinion of lab grown diamonds. :)
 
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JPie said:
OMG. The horse has been beaten to the point where it doesn’t even look like a horse anymore. Show some mercy and just STOP.
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Agreed, except I’m not doing the beating!
 
I think the answer is incredibly simple. Almost everyone considers lab diamonds to be diamonds. Because that's what they are. Its a fact.

That's a totally different question than anything about preferences, rarity, or value.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
I’m not worried about how anybody feels about my diamond. This was strictly economics for me. If I could’ve gotten the same lab diamond via the Earth, for the same price, I would’ve. Actually I don’t think I would’ve cared one way or the other. But that’s beside the point.
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If it's strictly economics and I told you that you overpaid for your diamond what would you think? We could get a lab 2ct D VVS with ideal specs for $500 or less through the right sources. The cost to set it is more than the lab diamond itself. That's why we consider it fun jewellery. It enables us to have choices. You chose lab diamonds so maybe you should stay in the lab diamond forum instead of rocky talky.
 
DejaWiz said:
Answer that for yourself since that is all that truly matters: Do you consider lab grown diamonds to be real diamonds? Whatever your answer is, nobody else's viewpoint or opinion on lab grown diamonds matters since it only applies to their own life and freedom of choice thus has zero beating on your own viewpoint or opinion of lab grown diamonds.
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lovedogs said:
I think the answer is incredibly simple. Almost everyone considers lab diamonds to be diamonds. Because that's what they are. Its a fact.

That's a totally different question than anything about preferences, rarity, or value.
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Thank you, lovedogs! I’m not the least bit interested in folks’ preferences, rarity or value. My very simple question was how could a diamond not be considered a diamond, regardless of where it was sourced.
 
It’s a diamond that’s a diamond depending on your definition of diamond and what makes a “diamond-diamond” a diamond. Now, some people think that a diamond is a diamond if it is not a diamond but maybe it is a diamond. That is their diamond opinion on diamonds and they are entitled to it and so are the people. None of this really matters anyway without the triple-alpha process which if you can find an energy-efficient way of doing that in a lab then diamonds will be the least of our worries because we will have diamonds that are diamonds unless you think that a triple alpha process in a lab is not a triple alpha process which is fine because nobody is going to decipher that theory, kind of like this thread, which, while not quite a billion years old, is still fun to look at, like a diamond..
 
No way I could read the past few pages.
The issue - as I identified at the start- is that there’s commercial motivation to sell diamonds. Be they made in a factory or mined from the earth.
I sell both. So I have motivation to trash neither/ and defend both. I think the term Earth Mined Diamond is complimentary.
When someone calls asking for a diamond nowadays I have to ask if they want natural or lab.
Then I do my best to serve their needs. How silly would it be to try and convince someone they don’t know what they want???
The sad part is how a percentage of sellers of BOTH lab and earth diamonds - think they can polarize people and gain business.
Sad and really bad business imo.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Thank you, lovedogs! I’m not the least bit interested in folks’ preferences, rarity or value. My very simple question was how could a diamond not be considered a diamond, regardless of where it was sourced.
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In that case, I'd say you have your answer!
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Dear Roselina. Perhaps I got more focused on the posts where people said they feel like it would be costume jewelry. That’s the part I just can’t wrap my head around.
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I think it was exactly one person saying that. And she said it was her personal FEELING. Noting more.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
You can’t get a Jaguar XKE from a lab. I think that’s what the difference is here. There’s only one Jaguar XKE. And same for your father’s boxster. My lab diamond, by the way is beautifully made. Or at least beautifully cut and polished. The result is beautiful anyway. I’m not sure natural diamonds are beautifully made. They’re beautiful also of course, but are they beautifully made? The vehicles you describe sound like they are beautifully made. I think that’s also a difference.
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Maybe not „made“, but they are beautifully „formed“. And that might just be the crucial difference for some of us.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
I guess something along the lines of why folks, some of them anyway, do not consider a diamond sourced from a lab to possess the same qualities as a diamond from the Earth. That might be a better way of saying it, rather than referring to them as lab grown diamonds and earth diamonds. It’s more about they both
“ have what it takes” to put it in an extremely unsophisticated way, to qualify them as diamonds. From reading everybody’s posts, I understand that there can be differences in fluorescence and diamonds mined from the Earth might skew more blue, whereas diamonds from a lab might skew more orange, if I got that all that right, but I am under the impression that diamonds are diamonds, regardless of the source. Several folks have given me the billion-year remarks, except that still doesn’t answer the question. If I made it sound like I was trying to find out what people prefer, that was not my intent. My intent was to understand why people don’t recognize diamonds as diamonds.
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But they do.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Thank you, lovedogs! I’m not the least bit interested in folks’ preferences, rarity or value. My very simple question was how could a diamond not be considered a diamond, regardless of where it was sourced.
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Yes you are. Otherwise you wouldn’t repeatedly question why someone would pay so much more for a natural diamond.
 
Rockdiamond said:
The sad part is how a percentage of sellers of BOTH lab and earth diamonds - think they can polarize people and gain business.
Sad and really bad business imo.
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Roc and I often disagree. On this, I have to agree 1,000%. I am no longer in. the business and don't sell either anymore, but it frosts me when someone tries to sell me something by denigrating those who sell something similar...

It is an instant NO SALE for me...
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Thank you, lovedogs! I’m not the least bit interested in folks’ preferences, rarity or value. My very simple question was how could a diamond not be considered a diamond, regardless of where it was sourced.
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As long ago as post #165 @Ibrakeforpossums stated unequivocally that a lab diamond is a diamond. And I don't believe anyone here disputed that assertion. That was like four pages ago. Hence the frustration that some people are experiencing!

But in the meantime many worthwhile comments have been made and insights expressed about how different people prioritize the things they personally value.
 
Texas Leaguer said:
As long ago as post #165 @Ibrakeforpossums stated unequivocally that a lab diamond is a diamond. And I don't believe anyone here disputed that assertion. That was like four pages ago. Hence the frustration that some people are experiencing!

But in the meantime many worthwhile comments have been made and insights expressed about how different people prioritize the things they personally value.
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Bryan hit the nail on the head here!
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
Who have what? I'm sorry, I missed something.
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My apologies for being unclear. There are plenty of folks who have referred to diamond sourced from a laboratory as being costume jewelry.
 
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