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Date: 11/8/2006 12:20:14 PM
Author: mrssalvo
Date: 11/8/2006 11:31:45 AM
Author: janinegirly
If this is important to him, he should make time. I can understand work, but alot of other stuff is social, and I question why you aren''t included.
I can understand work related things but all the boy activities would make me very unhappy. I''d want my guy to WANT to be with me and choose me over guy football when his schedule is so hectic.
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DITTO. I know this is coming on the heels of your lightbulb moment yesterday but honestly, it should be fuel for your fire.

I have no idea what he''s *saying* to you ... but consider his ACTIONS. It''s almost as if you don''t care *what* he actually DOES/ how he ACTS/ where he GOES ... as long as you can fantasize about him being the one/proposing/settling down.
 
Oh, yes, I understand how it looks to an outsider. Every year in October, the guys do a boy''s weekend to Las Vegas, it''s their annual trip. And, football is package deal with him - I''ve know that since we met in 1998. He''s got season tickets to Ohio State football, and every weekend that there''s a home game, we travel together to his parent''s house in Columbus, OH. Typically, I would go with him, but it just so happens that I''ll be working on that weekend. And, with Ohio State on the heels of a national championship, he really wants to go to Chicago this weekend and asked me to come, but I''m busy. So, he''s still deciding if he wants to go or not.
 
Becky, any man would be SO lucky to have you.

You are so understanding and wonderful.

Your love covers many of his flaws, and we have them all. But I have to say: if men make it a priority, they will miss an important sports game for you. Sure, it will be painful for him and later you will have to hear him mourn that... but that''s what TIVO is for!

You are so sweet and understanding to your bf. He has to be blind not to see how you have bent over backwards for him. He really has the greatest thing going for him! I hope he snaps to attention soon and makes you happy in ways YOU need.

Are you asserting yourself enough? Does he hear you loud and clear?
 
yea i still don't really get it. this is your life and it's at a critical point. You say he might need to move by jan 1st and you guys haven't figured out your situation.But, in between all his plans, there is no opportunity to discuss/decide anything until after t'giving. I don't know, I think you cut him way too much slack. Sure all these footbal games, annual guys wkends would be ok if things were wonderful b/ween you 2 or if he was single but it's not the case. Are you saying he's got the same social patterns since back in 1998??
I'm sorry, I just think if this was as critical to him as it was to you, he'd pass on the guys wkend for a year or the game or one or the other. Usually a lot of that guy bonding stuff goes to the wayside as a relationshp gets more seriuos and certainly if some big life decisions were imminent and in limbo (to propose not to, to move not to, ready to marry/break up etc etc).
Stop cutting him so much slack!! ok, enough of my soap box for today. I just think you're too nice sometimes and easy to convince and it might come back to haunt you.
 
What good would it do if he didn''t go to one of his activities? I personally don''t think the fact that he has these activities means anything. I personalyl think it''s healthy!...I do agree that due to the circumstances he should prioritize. If they needed to talk some more, he should make the time...but I don''t think there is much more to talk about here. In fact I think there is nothing else to talk about for now (although I know it''s hard...)...it''s time to step back and see what happens. Step back completely, don''t go to NC with him, don''t talk about NC, or what his dad said, etc.

They''ve already talked...he''s been clear...she''s been clear. Now, you need to stand your ground and be strong. Let him come back to you with his decision, you''ve made yours. You won''t move unless you are engaged.

I do feel for you Becky because I know it must be hard, but you have to be strong and think of you first.

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Good Grief Becky. Listen to yourself.. I don;t give a flying rats butt what the Annual do jig is. When you are with someone, love someone and are considering changing your life so that person is part of it, you do not CONTINUE with the annual thing when you ahve NO TIME for the other person.

You my dear are whipped. You had a few bad relationships and now you would rather let this man (I say this loosely as he does not seem a man to me... more like a high school boy) continue to step all over you than to step up and take on life. tell him to make time for YOU.. which is what a relationship is about. MAKING time for each other. The only thing this guy seems to have time for is himself and that is the person he needs to be with.. HIMSELF.

There is no "I owe him the opportunity" bullcrap, you owe him NOTHING, he owes you the years that you wasted following his sorry butt all over the place. Once you remove yourself from this situation and look back on it, you will realize that it was the best thing that you could have done. Personally, I do not think an ultimatim will work.. It should not be a "no NC move without a proposal" thing. This should be a "it's been fun, but I have life to do" thing.

ETA: Manderine: I agree, that people need to stay individuals and do things seperately, DH and I have a few moments that we do this throughout the year as well, but this is about his "trips" and the time, if she was important to him, he would be talking with her and discussing what they are going to do, and postponing an "annual" thing with the boys. He has the Peter Pan syndrome, not the healthy relationship syndrome. He is a typical, "why buy the cow, when I am getting the milk for free" guy. So this is exactly what this is about.

ETA AGAIN!!! WHY would you want to move to NC knowing that they only way he could get you to go would be to be engaged to you. I figure, if he was going to leave you, then let him leave, good grief Becky, I really really hope that you start thinking about yourself and not about him.. if you can't seem to bring yourself to do it, ask him how he does it. (thinks about himself and not you)
 
Yea MINE kind of spelled out some of what i was trying to say.
I mean, sure it''s healthy to do things outside of a relationship and maintain frienships, but guys trips to Vegas and annual sporting events (in the space of 4 wks right when his relationship with someone he might spend the rest of his LIFE with is at a breaking point) are not exactly indicative of someone who is serious about settling down.
I don''t know, my guy was very social and a guy''s guy, but after our relationship got serious he just stopped his involvement in a lot of that stuff. I never asked him too, but I think it''s just natural. A lot of those events were things he did as a single guy and as he said to me when I asked him why he didn''t want to go to a Halloween party with his buds this year he said "things are different now." I mean it means ALOT to me that he chooses to stay at home with me and do nothing (watch TV, cook, go to bed early) rather than be with his friends or have a rare night on the town. So yea, the actual events may be neither here or there, but it is inidicative of the same old problem which is that Becky''s bf does not prioritize the relationship through his actions (words are just words) and Becky just lets it happen while she figures out (alone or here) how to deal with the stress.
anyway, i don''t want to overdo it. It''s very difficult being at a crossroads and not having the person around. Good luck and stay STRONG.
 
He does need to come home this weekend instead of going to Chicago - I was just hoping that he would make that decision on his own rather than me telling him to come home so we can talk.
 
Or.. you could let him come home when he wants and you just be gone, leave him a note, a Dear John Letter, tell him you were hoping that he would choose you, but since he didn;t YOU chose YOU instead.

ETA: Becky, I know that you want to make this work.. but what are you trying to make work? Honey, he is NOT going to change, he hasn't even tried. You are not going to change him, quit thinking that you are. Leave this the STRONG person. make what happens in this relationship YOUR decision and take control of your life!!
 
Date: 11/8/2006 10:50:59 AM
Author: Becky P
So, unless we talk about this on the phone - which with stuff this important we really prefer to have conversations in person - it won''t be until after Thanksgiving that things will settle down enough for us to figure it all out. So, grrrr, all stressed out an no end in sight. Although, it might be good that he''s gone so he has time to think about things and figure out what it is that he really wants...
He doesn''t need to figure out what he really wants. He knows what he really wants and he has what he really wants. The only stressor for him is figuring out how he can keep what he really wants: you as a girlfriend with her own place.

Becky, you say "we really prefer to have conversations in person" but is that a "we" or an "I". It sounds like he doesn''t really need the conversations at all. Think back to when you poured your heart out in an email and he didn''t even bring it up in personal conversation. What''s there to discuss? He doesn''t want to get married and you do.

Honestly, I don''t understand why all the vitriole (from others, not Becky) over his travel plans. He doesn''t want to get serious. He doesn''t want to commit. He''s not being dishonest with Becky. He''s behaving exactly how a guy who doesn''t want to get serious and commit would behave. There''s nothing wrong with that. He has been upfront about how he feels, what else can he do?

Would we feel better about this if he''d just break up with her if he can''t propose? That''s not really fair; Becky doesn''t want to break up. Remember, it takes two to tango here. He''s not taking advantage of Becky''s "good nature" and Becky is not a saint because she "lets him" go off and do what he wants to do. He''s not hers to "let go." This isn''t a married with kids guy who goes off and does whatever he wants while his wife stays home to take care of the family. This is a single guy who likes being single and who has made it very clear that he wants to stay single!
 
Becky,
I just read this thread. Sorry, I had no idea what you were going through.
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It does sound like both you and your bf have made it clear what you want. I think all you can focus on right now is YOU. You can''t control what he wants, thinks or does. All you can control is you. If you aren''t willing to move before being engaged, then I agree that it doesn''t make sense to go to NC for any reason. I hope that the two of you have a chance to talk soon but before you do, I would try and figure out what is it that you need to know from him. What does that discussion exactly need to resolve. I could see another conversation producing the same general responses, rather than clarifying anything new. Are you going to state explicitly that you aren''t going to NC w/him? Will it be determined if he truly is moving? What happens after he moves? How long are you willing to do long-distance? Just some thoughts as I''ve been reading through the posts.
I don''t think he''s not ready yet means he''ll never be ready but I guess your decision is how much longer are you willing to wait? It is hard no matter what! My bf said awhile back that he was sure he wanted to get married but not ready, so I understand your problems. But there is a timeline in my case, also a situation where we''re planning to move. But we''ve both said we''d have to be married first. If it came time for the move to happen and we weren''t married or even engaged, I''d have to let it go. I refuse to do a long-distance relationship, unless it''s temporary for specific reasons. Of course, that''s just me.
I wish you the best with all of this!
 
Dixie-
He did say that he was sure he wants to marry me, but that he''s not ready and doesn''t know when he will be. The problem for me is that he''s been "not ready" since June 2005. We''ve been heavily discussing things since June/July 2006, and it would be one thing if he was not ready and really giving things thought, figuring out what it is that is keeping him from being ready. But, I just don''t feel like he''s giving my feelings and my needs any consideration. He''s not thinking about what he needs in order to be ready. And, that''s the problem. He doesn''t want to get married yet. I do. And he''s not willing to work together to figure this all out. It''s like in the other thread about deadlines/timelines... what does "reasonable" mean, and I think he''s at the line of what''s reasonable for me. I don''t have anything left to give.
 
Becky,
It honestly sounds like you''ve made all of your decisions already. I''m sorry that you he''s not taking your feelings into consideration and isn''t working with you to figure things out. That is hurtful and you deserve better. I hope things work out for you, in whatever way is best for YOU.
 
Becky, you've given this relationship a heroic effort and chance, but it's time to let it go. He's not going to change. He doesn't want to change.

Think about it this way.. what if he does ask you to marry him? How long do you think it'll take him to agree to a date? I told my fi a long time ago that for me an engagement wasn't official without a ring and a date. I sorta neglected to mention that that was because one ex proposed to keep me around and another ex proposed because his parents wouldn't like us living together without being engaged.
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ETA: with your position of not moving w/o engagement (not that he seems to be listening to you) you're running the risk of a sham engagement that's really just the status quo in new wrapping! And engagement isn't a state... it's a promise to marry and a period where you're actively planning the wedding. Do you honestly believe that if he proposed before the end of the year he'd be willing to start planning the wedding?? If he isn't then that promise isn't worth squat!

You deserve a guy who's excited to marry you, not reluctant. Words are cheap, and he ain't backing 'em up with action!!

Stop backing down and stick to your guns!


BTW: MINE
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I agree w/ you 100%!
 
Well, I''m sure I want to get in shape, but I''m just not sure when I''ll feel like putting in the effort. So guess what, I''m not in shape! I agree that words don''t mean much at this point.

Someday I''ll probably not fit into a pair of pants or have a moment of feeling winded, and then I''ll start working out regularly again. It often takes an "a ha" moment. I don''t think anything will happen unless you follow through on your ultimatum, and it still might not then. But it''s going to take a real kick in the butt. Inertia has set in.

I did think some posters were being a bit too harsh regarding his hanging out with friends. I''d be ok with my husband going on a yearly guy trip. But at the same time, things do change when you''re married. You assume that you''ll spend time together unless otherwise arranged. You have more couple and group friends. You have the right to say, "Hey, I don''t want you to go out tonight, I haven''t seen you enough recently" (as long as that''s true). But I don''t think that he can''t have any alone or guy time . . . just that the fact that he chooses too means, in a sense, that he isn''t choosing you.

I don''t know if this is a rude question, but are you lonely? He is gone so much, and you moved there just to be with him. How much can you be investing in friendships in Pittsburgh if you don''t envision yourself/you guys there in the long term? What do you do (other than come on PS -- ha ha) when he''s not there?
 
Date: 11/8/2006 2:32:09 PM
Author: janinegirly

I don''t know, I think you cut him way too much slack. Sure all these footbal games, annual guys wkends would be ok if things were wonderful b/ween you 2 or if he was single but it''s not the case. Are you saying he''s got the same social patterns since back in 1998??
I''m sorry, I just think if this was as critical to him as it was to you, he''d pass on the guys wkend for a year or the game or one or the other. Usually a lot of that guy bonding stuff goes to the wayside as a relationshp gets more seriuos and certainly if some big life decisions were imminent and in limbo (to propose not to, to move not to, ready to marry/break up etc etc).
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I don''t know, my guy was very social and a guy''s guy, but after our relationship got serious he just stopped his involvement in a lot of that stuff. I never asked him too, but I think it''s just natural. A lot of those events were things he did as a single guy and as he said to me when I asked him why he didn''t want to go to a Halloween party with his buds this year he said "things are different now."
Janine, I wish you could look at your own situation with as much clarity and conviction as you do with Becky''s. You''re essentially in the same position; it''s just a different topic.

Becky''s BF is saying "I''m not ready, and I don''t know when I will be about marriage; yours is saying the same thing about children. He doesn''t know if he wants them, and doesn''t know when he will be.

Interestingly, you said your BF fears children will be a life-altering adjustment and drastic change, and you said you don''t get why he feels that way because it doesn''t mean life stops...it just means better planning. Obviously, that''s not been his experience to date.....and you confirm that above. You note that things have changed just being in a serious relationship - that guy time has gone by the wayside (and it seems there''s an expectation that it should). I can fully see why he fears things will change more......because they absolutely will. As you note, it''s natural that things do change.

I think both guys are smart to go into their decisions thinking hard about whether or not they are ready to move forward with either thing (marriage or children, respectively).

I feel badly knowing how excrutiating it is for you ladies to wait, but on the other hand, divorce courts are full of folks who didn''t give it enough consideration until AFTER it happened (marriage or children) and THEN decided "yeah, this isn''t for me."

You''re both in the precise same boat. Your future hinges upon someone else figuring out whether or not he wants what you want. No difference, really.
 
Date: 11/8/2006 7:49:35 PM
Author: phoenixgirl

I did think some posters were being a bit too harsh regarding his hanging out with friends. I''d be ok with my husband going on a yearly guy trip. But at the same time, things do change when you''re married. You assume that you''ll spend time together unless otherwise arranged. You have more couple and group friends. You have the right to say, ''Hey, I don''t want you to go out tonight, I haven''t seen you enough recently'' (as long as that''s true). But I don''t think that he can''t have any alone or guy time . . . just that the fact that he chooses too means, in a sense, that he isn''t choosing you.


Fully agree here.


I''d qualify it this way: Life doesn''t end when you meet someone else....or at least it shouldn''t. You should certainly put that other person first....but not only.


No one person can fulfill all the needs you will have. We turn to our girlfriends to seek comfort in ways that we couldn''t get anywhere else. We turn to our spouses to love us as no one else can. We turn to our parents for other things that no one else quite fits the bill on. Life should be like a vibrant painting with many different colors....not just one.


I was independent and fancy free when I met Rich...and I had been for YEARS. I have a VERY strong network of girlfriends....my "ya-ya" group.....and they fulfill pieces of me that Rich couldn''t even if he tried. There are some things he just won''t "get" because he''s not a girl.


I didn''t give that network up because I married him, and he knew I wouldn''t going into it. Nor did I expect him to give up his "guy" time or his need for alone time. It actually works out quite well for us....he gets plenty of alone time for him, and I get plenty of time to socialize with my friends. And, there''s lots for us to chat about together to fill each other in.


There are times when my girls are in crisis, and I go to them.....and Rich has to be on hold. There are times when Rich needs me most, and my girls have to be "on hold". It''s about finding the right balance, keeping in mind that your spouse is always #1. If both need me, I do my best to meet both needs, but Rich always comes first....if the situation reaches a "trump" situation, he trumps everyone else.


I used to see my friends every weekend prior to meeting Rich. I see them more bi-weekly now.....but I still see them *quite* often. He has his monthly (and sometimes more often) poker nights with the guys.


All of this said, if I needed him (sickness in the family, etc.) or if he needed me, either of us would suspend otherwise normal activities to concentrate on each other.....because we each come first to the other. I don''t think the fact that Becky''s BF has a guys weekend and a football weekend lined up are suggestive of disrespect or lack of caring on their own merit.....but I DO think that he''s not considering the fact they''re at a critical/crucial time, and perhaps normal behavior patterns (i.e. guys weekend) should be suspended in favor of attending to the pressing situation at hand.


I wish you luck, Becky (and Janine)

 
alj, well you do not know all the details of my relationship and certainly are in no position to lay judgement especially since I didn''t ask for any feedback. As a disclaimer, MANY of us are in similar general situations and it is not rocket science to realize that it is easier to see others situations more clearly than one''s own. That''s why the majority of people come here and start threads looking for people''s honest opinions or similar experiences.
Nevertheless, you''ve chosen to make this personal when I was not seeking advice, so of course, I have to respond.
I am not in the same "boat" as Becky as you so sweepingly generalize, although that''s not to say I never was. We have had all the talks, and yes, including the specifics of children. I don''t bring it up (here) because it really isn''t an issue any more, and right now I''m focused on a proposal and wedding planning which hopefully is happening soon (which is the stuff I DO bring up because it''s timely to what''s going on with me and I appreciate the feedback and camaraderie of sorts). As far as children, I did make several posts on that topic a while back, but that was after a particular conversation that left me feeling emotional. Since then we''ve moved past a lot of stuff, and discussed the number of kids we would like, and when to start, which realistically would be in next year or 2 max. I know he''s had his hesitations, and I''m appreciative that he''s voiced them now instead of later (which could have led to worse problems down the line as you so kindly pointed out) and I''m also at peace with the common ground we were able to reach. I won''t go into all the details, since I really don''t have any need to.
Anyway, I don''t want to hijack this thread anymore, so I''ll return it to the topic at hand and perhaps you should do the same.
 
Date: 11/8/2006 8:44:22 PM
Author: janinegirly
alj, well you do not know all the details of my relationship and certainly are in no position to lay judgement especially since I didn''t ask for any feedback. As a disclaimer, MANY of us are in similar general situations and it is not rocket science to realize that it is easier to see others situations more clearly than one''s own. That''s why the majority of people come here and start threads looking for people''s honest opinions or similar experiences.
Nevertheless, you''ve chosen to make this personal when I was not seeking advice, so of course, I have to respond.
I am not in the same ''boat'' as Becky as you so sweepingly generalize, although that''s not to say I never was. We have had all the talks, and yes, including the specifics of children. I don''t bring it up (here) because it really isn''t an issue any more, and right now I''m focused on a proposal and wedding planning which hopefully is happening soon (which is the stuff I DO bring up because it''s timely to what''s going on with me and I appreciate the feedback and camaraderie of sorts). As far as children, I did make several posts on that topic a while back, but that was after a particular conversation that left me feeling emotional. Since then we''ve moved past a lot of stuff, and discussed the number of kids we would like, and when to start, which realistically would be in next year or 2 max. I know he''s had his hesitations, and I''m appreciative that he''s voiced them now instead of later (which could have led to worse problems down the line as you so kindly pointed out) and I''m also at peace with the common ground we were able to reach. I won''t go into all the details, since I really don''t have any need to.
Anyway, I don''t want to hijack this thread anymore, so I''ll return it to the topic at hand and perhaps you should do the same.
I think you are taking offense where absolutely none is intended, Janine.

I''m not laying judgment at ALL; rather, pointing out that it''s very easy to see things clearly when you aren''t in the situation yourself and less easy when it''s you.....and perhaps hoping that we can keep that in mind when trying to help Becky.

Nor did I claim to know everything about your relationship; just that which you''ve shared. If your situation has changed since a scant few weeks back, fantastic.....just as I''m sure that Becky''s situation will have changed (in some way) several weeks from now.

For my part, this thread reminded me of the one you began, and that was only a few weeks ago. I saw parallels that I thought might benefit......not intended as advice for you individually. I didn''t make my comments to offend at all, but if you choose to take them that way and get pissy and defensive about it, nothing I can do about that. Your choice. Sounds to me like a strong case of "can dish it out but can''t take it" on your end, but whatever.

If anyone''s getting on the judgment horse, it''s you. You''re bashing the crap out of Becky''s BF and declaring what he should do and how he should behave, what she should tolerate, etc. It is you making sweeping generalizations here.....about how his active schedule should be interpreting as a lack of caring for her, etc. I''m no stranger to telling it like it is, but I try to temper directness with compassion in the delivery.

Honestly, if you are taking my comments above personally when they aren''t at all intended that way, then I''d suggest you go back and read the last few comments you made to Becky but imagine they are being said to you instead.

As I said before, I wish everyone the best outcome, regardless of their individual situations. I hope both of you get your proposals when you want them.
 
alj, ok point taken, perhaps i was too quick to react and misinterpreted the tone. if so, my bad. And I suppose I do see your points and of course you wouldn''t have known what progress I have/have not made re: children discussions w/my bf since I never updated that thread.
If I''m bashing Becky''s bf or her situation (and I''m def not alone in being concerned/critical), it''s only becuase of the facts she lays out here and her tendency to see events through rose colored glasses (in fact we probably ALL do that because we don''t want to see it any other way). I did not at all mean to insinuate that men or women should stop having a life or hang out with separate friends--just that a boys trip to Vegas when all these crazy things were escalating at this exact time seemed like a bad move and indicative of someone not moving towards an imminent proposal. Anyway, a lot of this is distant speculation, hopefully they''ll talk soon and it''ll be clearer.
 
Date: 11/8/2006 7:49:35 PM
Author: phoenixgirl
I don''t know if this is a rude question, but are you lonely? He is gone so much, and you moved there just to be with him. How much can you be investing in friendships in Pittsburgh if you don''t envision yourself/you guys there in the long term? What do you do (other than come on PS -- ha ha) when he''s not there?
Of course I wish he was here more often, and honestly, it really isn''t usually like this. We just hit on a string of things happening in succession that have taken him out of town for nearly an entire month. Typically, he''s out of town every other week for a couple days. So, the last few weeks of course I have been missing him a lot - we did the long distance thing for 3 years, so it''s like an odd reminder of what it''s like to date long distance again. But, I think having him out of town helps me find some clarity in what I want. And, honestly, it''s not really the ring or the wedding or the white dress that I want. Yes, all that stuff will be a big fat bonus. But, what I really want is the marriage, the partnership, a home that we come home to, a family with him, and maybe a dog. Him being gone reminds me of all that and just pushes it more the the forefront of my mind.

What do I do when he''s not here? Well, I work full time from home, which is why I have extra time during the days to post here. I joined a women''s volunteer group, and have met about a dozen amazing ladies, so we do volunteer projects, social events, etc. Plus, we''ve got monthly meetings and committees to work on. And, I love to scrapbook, so I usually work on that at least one or two nights a week.

I feel like we both eventually want the same thing. He has said that he sees himself marrying me. But, I see us heading down that road in the next 2-4 months and he sees it in the next 2-4 years. So, obviously something''s gotta give there. Although I was super frustrated with the conversation we had on Monday, that conversation just never got finished because we got to a roadblock. Now, it''s up to us to figure out how to get past this stalemate and come to a decision that we''ll both agree to, or it''s time to end this relationship because we want different things and the timing is off. No matter what, I think things will work out in the end the way they are meant to.
 
No matter what, I think things will work out in the end the way they are meant to.
Exactly. Just stay true to what you really want and don''t give in. I think he is so used to you giving in that he thinks this shall pass too. That is why he doesn''t see all this as a crisis and he doesn''t think it is necessary to cancel his trip with his buddies. He knows you too well and he believes that in the end he will convince you to do what he wants you to do. His plan is to bring you to NC with him on Dec 1st so you can start getting excited about moving, eventhough it would be without a ring. I still think that the religious and cultural believes are big part of why he is so hesitant to get engaged.
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He just called. He is coming home this weekend instead of going to Chicago so that we can talk and figure everything out.
 
excellent! i''m glad he''s making the effort and realising this is pretty important. good luck and update us on Monday
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Great! What happened? Did you ask him to make time for you or did he just decide that on his own? Either way, it is a good sign.
 
Date: 11/9/2006 10:17:46 AM
Author: Butterflies
Great! What happened? Did you ask him to make time for you or did he just decide that on his own? Either way, it is a good sign.
He decided to come on his own. He said that he wants to figure everything out and he asked me to come over Friday so we can talk, he''ll cook dinner, and then we''re gonna have a Lost marathon - we''ve been saving them up on TIVO and haven''t seen any of this season yet.
 
Perfect. Keep us posted
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yea just make sure the focus is serious talking and conclusions and not just hours of Lost watching!
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if things get sidetracked just remind yourself of all the lecturing you''ll get back here! heh heh
 
Date: 11/9/2006 10:52:46 AM
Author: Becky P
Date: 11/9/2006 10:17:46 AM

Author: Butterflies

Great! What happened? Did you ask him to make time for you or did he just decide that on his own? Either way, it is a good sign.

He decided to come on his own. He said that he wants to figure everything out and he asked me to come over Friday so we can talk, he'll cook dinner, and then we're gonna have a Lost marathon - we've been saving them up on TIVO and haven't seen any of this season yet.

Becky - I have been quiet on your thread but have been keeping up w/it. I am SO glad to hear he decided to come home. Normally I could see his trips to the games as fine, in fact DH and I travel a lot to see Cal play too, but at this critical time it is very reassuring that he is skipping out on that to spend time w/you. It reminds me of the movie, Good Will Hunting, where Robin Williams is telling the story about the REd Sox game... and then at the end he says he wasn't there bc he met his wife at a bar that night... ANyway I know it's just a cheesy movie but your situation reminded me of it for some reason.

Good luck and stay strong.

ETA: Regarding Lost- a lot of stuff happens but don't expect to find answers to anything!! I am so frustrated w/that show... and yet, I keep watching...
 
Oh Becky I''m glad he decided to come and talk.

Be strong and listen to what he has to say. I know sometimes we hear what we want (it happens to all of us!)...but try to really listen and if I were you I would make a point of not agreeing to anything that night (trips to NC, conditions to ame you want to move, etc)

Let things sink in a little. Maybe go out to a park and write down the things he said and read them as many times as you need to...then start writing how you feel. It''s funny but sometimes when I''m writing (like in a diary, not here) things come out that I didn''t even know I had inside of me...it''s very theraupetic and eye opening!

Good luck! and come update us whenever you''re ready!

M~
 
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