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Any plans due to the current situation in the USA?

@monarch64, Beautifully said and written. I wish more people had your attitude. At the very least I wish people were kinder to each other in our country.

For the next few weeks I wish people would try to remember this isn’t an easy time for some people and just be kind. It really isn’t difficult to just not bring it up or say I know this isn’t easy for you.

For many women yesterday was a stark reminder of a time they have worked hard to put out of their minds for many years. I don’t feel safe right now. I’m grateful for having a husband, friends and family that understand. I missed the threads that were shut down yesterday but wish I had been able to read them.
 
We're thinking of living part-time outside the US once DH retires in a few years, but who knows what the world will look like then. In the meantime, we're lucky to live in a blue state. I grew up in a state that was once blue/purple, but is now overwhelmingly red, and it makes me immensely sad whenever I visit my family there now.
 
This thread really helped me think this whole issue through again, so thanks to all so far. We've decided to spend a couple of months in Puerto Vallarta (Mexico) when our lease is up and just take it from there. Good luck, everyone. :)
 
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seaurchin said:
We've decided to spend a couple of months in Puerto Vallarta (Mexico) when our lease is up and just take it from there.
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I like the way that sounds. Have fun and enjoy the adventures you choose.
 
Calliecake said:
@monarch64, Beautifully said and written. I wish more people had your attitude. At the very least I wish people were kinder to each other in our country.

For the next few weeks I wish people would try to remember this isn’t an easy time for some people and just be kind. It really isn’t difficult to just not bring it up or say I know this isn’t easy for you.

For many women yesterday was a stark reminder of a time they have worked hard to put out of their minds for many years. I don’t feel safe right now. I’m grateful for having a husband, friends and family that understand. I missed the threads that were shut down yesterday but wish I had been able to read them.
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Thanks @Calliecake . I didn’t come to my conclusions very easily. Looking at the demographics of those who participated broke my heart. But I am grateful for everyone who dared to hope for a few months.

Be glad you didn’t see the initial posts yesterday. To put it diplomatically, they were disappointing at best.
 
seaurchin said:
This thread really helped me think this whole issue through again, so thanks to all so far. We've decided to spend a couple of months in Puerto Vallarta (Mexico) when our lease is up and just take it from there. Good luck, everyone. :)
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Ok. I am Mexican American. Please be careful in Mexico. I know many Mexicans who fear deportation to Mexico bc of how dangerous it is.
 
nala said:
Ok. I am Mexican American. Please be careful in Mexico. I know many Mexicans who fear deportation to Mexico bc of how dangerous it is.
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Oh, I know. You definitely have to know the areas there.
 
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I'm depressed and anxious, but this is home and my kids are here. I don't know what country would be better, tbh. The world is getting changing and I need to accept that.

I'd like to move, but I love California, which will hopefully be OK. I wish we had planned better, but we were just focusing on hubby's retirement, our 401k, and social security benefits. I should've paid more attention to House Hunters International! Greece has a permanent Visa for those who buy property, but otherwise I'm clueless. I don't even know if there are limits on transferring money out. We'll see how it goes in the next several months. I have some research to do.
 
ShinyPink said:
I'm depressed and anxious, but this is home and my kids are here. I don't know what country would be better, tbh. The world is getting changing and I need to accept that.

I'd like to move, but I love California, which will hopefully be OK. I wish we had planned better, but we were just focusing on hubby's retirement, our 401k, and social security benefits. I should've paid more attention to House Hunters International! Greece has a permanent Visa for those who buy property, but otherwise I'm clueless. I don't even know if there are limits on transferring money out. We'll see how it goes in the next several months. I have some research to do.
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You would be surprised by how many European countries, particularly southern European, have retiree-specific visas, Portugal and Spain being two of my favorites.
 
@monarch64, Thank you for so many of your comments on these threads over the years. You have helped more people than you know.

@ShinyPink, If you are feeling anxious and depressed please reach out here. We can always word things in such a way that forbidden subjects aren’t mentioned and still support each other. You aren’t alone in feeling anxious and depressed especially right now. This is going to get better. Of course there are going to be hard days but when they arise, you will be supported here. Please know that.

I apologize for threadjacking your thread here a bit @seaurchin.
I wish I had answers. For right now I plan on taking care of myself and doing things that bring me joy. Not watching news will probably help the most. I’m also going to bite the bullet and join another forum that I think will also help as an outlet. I know some others posters are already there.
 
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Calliecake said:
Not watching news will probably help the most.
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Yes. I haven't been watching much TV news for the past year or so. I am much happier that way.
I still keep up with current events online, but I can pick and choose what I want to read about.

And I am practicing acceptance. This really helps.
Eckhart Tolle says "Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists"
 
Calliecake said:
@monarch64, Thank you for so many of your comments on these threads over the years. You have helped more people than you know.

@ShinyPink, If you are feeling anxious and depressed please reach out here. We can always word things in such a way that forbidden subjects aren’t mentioned and still support each other. You aren’t alone in feeling anxious and depressed especially right now. This is going to get better. Of course there are going to be hard days but when they arise, you will be supported here. Please know that.

I apologize for threadjacking your thread here a bit @seaurchin.
I wish I had answers. For right now I plan on taking care of myself and doing things that bring me joy. Not watching news will probably help the most. I’m also going to bite the bullet and join another forum that I think will also help as an outlet. I know some others posters are already there.
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i think you make a very good point about not watching the news
im usually still on the bus home when the 6 oclock news starts and when i get home i start with prepairng dinner and feeding the cats, getting the washing in off the line, having a shower, making a cup of tea
i really feel im a lot happier not watching it
i used to suffer anxixty if i missed even one second of the news
 
Everyone needs to do what’s best for them. Half the country isn’t on board with this outcome. I won’t run away. I’ve found strength in adversity before and I won’t let this ruin my resolve. I have hope for our future but we have to continue to fight for it.

“When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set” - Lin Yutang

“Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it” - Leo Tolstoy

“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king. The palace turns into a circus” - Turkish Proverb
 
monarch64 said:
Thanks @Calliecake . I didn’t come to my conclusions very easily. Looking at the demographics of those who participated broke my heart. But I am grateful for everyone who dared to hope for a few months.

Be glad you didn’t see the initial posts yesterday. To put it diplomatically, they were disappointing at best.
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Monarch64,
I respectfully disagree, and isn’t it wonderful that we can do that here?We had a lively, but non combative discussion going on. I, for one , enjoyed reading all the different POV and also took comfort in knowing that others shared my concerns and fears. I was both surprised and disappointed when posts were deleted. I know that it’s Ella’s job to moderate and not let discussions get heated. I can only assume that she saw something that I missed and felt that the temperatures were rising. I just never saw or felt that it was heading in that direction.
 
@seaurchin , I saw your comment before you decided to delete it.
I apologize if my post offended you by using the term “run away.” You said it sounded “prideful and sneering.” I started my post by saying, everyone needs to do what’s best for them. If using the word ‘leave’ is less offensive for you than with all sincerity please interchange it. My post was not meant to judge or condone anyone else’s choices.
 
Bonfire said:
@seaurchin , I saw your comment before you decided to delete it.
I apologize if my post offended you by using the term “run away.” You said it sounded “prideful and sneering.” I started my post by saying, everyone needs to do what’s best for them. If using the word ‘leave’ is less offensive for you than with all sincerity please interchange it. My post was not meant to judge or condone anyone else’s choices.
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Thanks, Bonfire. I had decided to just let it go but yes, "running away" definitely has a different meaning than just "leaving." It's been slanted that way more than once so I didn't just mean you.

The plans we've put into place to try to look out for our family's future in these uncertain times have actually taken a huge amount of effort as well as some risk and, I'd say, courage. But even if we, or others here, did leave the country full-time for a time, that also doesn't mean we wouldn't still be trying to help fix the mess here. Anyway, no worries. Hope everyone makes it out okay on the other side.
 
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Monarch64,
I respectfully disagree, and isn’t it wonderful that we can do that here?We had a lively, but non combative discussion going on. I, for one , enjoyed reading all the different POV and also took comfort in knowing that others shared my concerns and fears. I was both surprised and disappointed when posts were deleted. I know that it’s Ella’s job to moderate and not let discussions get heated. I can only assume that she saw something that I missed and felt that the temperatures were rising. I just never saw or felt that it was heading in that direction.
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Hi jeaniefish. I don't know if this is even what y'all are talking about but in one thread, anyway, I think Ella deleted it because it was too obviously discussing politics, when it's not allowed, not because there was arguing. If I'm even talking about the same thing you are lol.
 
seaurchin said:
Thanks, Bonfire. I had decided to just let it go but yes, "running away" definitely has a different meaning than just "leaving." It's been slanted that way more than once so I didn't just mean you.

The plans we've put into place to try to look out for our family's future in these uncertain times have actually taken a huge amount of effort as well as some risk and, I'd say, courage. But even if we, or others here, did leave the country full-time for a time, that also doesn't mean we wouldn't still be trying to help fix the mess here. Anyway, no worries. Hope everyone makes it out okay on the other side.
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Thanks, I really misspoke. Moving/ leaving are the words I should have used. It’s such a stressful time and so many of us feel sucker punched. It’s very unhealthy and we should all do whatever it takes to feel safe, happy and thrive.
 
Bonfire said:
Thanks, I really misspoke. Moving/ leaving are the words I should have used. It’s such a stressful time and so many of us feel sucker punched. It’s very unhealthy and we should all do whatever it takes to feel safe, happy and thrive.
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I agree and I apologize for misunderstanding your intent. :)
 
jeaniefish said:
Monarch64,
I respectfully disagree, and isn’t it wonderful that we can do that here?We had a lively, but non combative discussion going on. I, for one , enjoyed reading all the different POV and also took comfort in knowing that others shared my concerns and fears. I was both surprised and disappointed when posts were deleted. I know that it’s Ella’s job to moderate and not let discussions get heated. I can only assume that she saw something that I missed and felt that the temperatures were rising. I just never saw or felt that it was heading in that direction.
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Ok I’ll just say it. I was up very early that morning because I hadn’t slept all night, so I saw things earlier than others did, probably. And one of the things I saw was a SCATHING meme that involved both politics AND religion. And that person knows better after many years and countless posts here and after threads having been removed because of it.

You may think it’s all sunshine and roses here because no one seems to be out and out battling, but I can tell you from experience that there are double meanings and that there is MUCH discussion “behind the scenes” on other platforms with sides being taken. There absolutely is combativeness.
 
I saw that large meme yesterday @monarch64. The person was obviously trying to get the thread shut down.
 
I wish we could just have separate threads for a week and let people talk. If you don’t agree with a thread topic simply stay out of the thread and go to the thread you agree with. Delete the threads after a week and go back to normal rules. Many people are hurting right now. Why not give them a place to go talk with people they are comfortable with for just a week.
 
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@smitcompton, I’m thinking of you if you happen to check in here.
 
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monarch64 said:
Ok I’ll just say it. I was up very early that morning because I hadn’t slept all night, so I saw things earlier than others did, probably. And one of the things I saw was a SCATHING meme that involved both politics AND religion. And that person knows better after many years and countless posts here and after threads having been removed because of it.

You may think it’s all sunshine and roses here because no one seems to be out and out battling, but I can tell you from experience that there are double meanings and that there is MUCH discussion “behind the scenes” on other platforms with sides being taken. There absolutely is combativeness.
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I guess I missed the very first posts.and am sad to know that someone was trying to stir things up. I think I’ll just go back to drooling over jewelry. Much more enjoyable and better for my blood pressure!
 
nala said:
Ok. I am Mexican American. Please be careful in Mexico. I know many Mexicans who fear deportation to Mexico bc of how dangerous it is.
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There are thousands if not 10's of thousands living in Mexico. Just like anywhere in the world, it depends on where you live.
Italy has gone far right along with other countries. This is what happened before WWII. I guess if you aren't taught history, you repeat it.
 
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