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Date: 9/1/2009 7:44:48 PM
Author: taovandel
That's how I see it also. They say it's just as safe for pregnant women as getting a flu shot---but how do they know that? It's a newly developed vaccine! It just scares me to try something that hasn't really been tested yet.

Well, every year they have to develop a new version of the flu shot for the new virus strains that are circulating that year. The swine flu is just another flu strain, and the swine flu vaccine is made in the same way as the regular flu shot by the regular manufacturers. Of course they haven't tested the vaccine with this year's particular flu strains on millions and millions of people (so as to have a chance of observing the rate of very rare complications), but its the nature of the beast when trying to make a vaccine for a rapidly mutating virus. But they do keep statistics on reactions and complications to the yearly flu shots, and thus base their safety estimates off of those.

I'm not sure if this paper is publicly available, but here is a paper with a table on vaccine adverse events for influenza vaccines. For example, one concern is Guillain-Barré syndrome, which was associated with the 1976 swine flu vaccine. But they have since changed the way flu vaccines are made and there have been other manufacturing improvements. The incidence in recent years was 1-2 per million vaccines, which is not zero but quite low.

The CDC also has pamphlets on risks and everyone's doctors should have an opinion. The current estimates of swine flu deaths in the US aren't that much worse than a regular flu year - they are guessing up to 90,000 for the swine flu where a regular year has 30,000+ flu deaths - but there are some important population differences. Regular flu regularly kills old people, but people in their late 50s and older have some immunity to the current swine flu due to exposure to an earlier swine flu strain. Compared to regular flu, the swine flu has greater than usual lethality to young people and pregnant women, especially those pregnant women farther along. At least, those were the statistics from the swine flu strain circulating this spring/summer (among a population that was heavy in connections to Mexico.) Whether those statistics hold for the traditional fall/winter flu season and for the wider US population, we'll have to wait and see.

Whether or not pregnant women choose to get the vaccine, they are supposed to be on greater than usual lookout for flu symptoms and seek treatment if you come down with something. I don't normally bother with the flu vaccine but that's more laziness than choice, and I think I would get the swine flu one were I preggo. I went out to dinner last week with old college friends and during dessert the guy sitting next to me said he'd been exposed to an active swine flu case and was on tamiflu! I didn't know I was at risk. Oh, well.

ETA: Congrats on the boy steph! What is in the water with all the XY little ones
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Steph, yay! Congrats!

Tao, I really hope no news is good news!

Re: swine flu vaccine, our childbirth instructor (a nurse) told us all to get it, both parents, because if we catch any type of flu this flu season, we''d put our baby at risk. It wasn''t because of fears of miscarriage/maternal death or problems in utero but the risk of transmitting the virus to your baby if you catch it after birth, at least as far as I understood.

I''m definitely going to ask my doctor what they recommend at my next visit.
 
Re: Flu Remember that when you are preggo your immune system is SEVERELY compromised. Which is why they suggest that preggo women get the shots even if normally you have a very robust immune system.
 
Date: 9/1/2009 8:45:14 PM
Author: steph72276
Thanks for all the good wishes, guys. I felt like it was going to be a boy...then when we found out, I literally cried tears of joy because all of a sudden I could picture my two boys together growing up as best buds! When we got to his preschool my hubby tells Andrew the news and he said ''yea, we can play soccer and football together...but not at first!'' He is excited, he kept talking to my belly tonight saying ''hey little brother, this is your big brother, love you!''. Hope everyone else had a great day too!
That one drew the tears! What an incredible feeling you must have right now!
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Pandora- Thank you for sharing that with me. I really want to be as informed as possible, especially if it is just something that "could" happen. Being that tomorrow is our first appointment, I want to make sure I have all my questions together before arriving.

tao- I really hope I get to bypass it, all of it. Unfortunately, I have a 45 minute commute to work in the morning, and that could make things quite interesting.
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9-18 weeks?? I didn''t realize it could start that late?? Did you have any other "surprises" that waited a while to show up, or just morning sickness?
 
hello ladies! it''s me, gingerBcookie =)
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for some reason i''m having trouble accessing my old account so i just started a new one. hope that''s not against the rules. if it is then hopefully someone can tell me how to fix the problem?

anyways, don''t know if any of ya''ll remember me, it''s been a while since i''ve actively posted. but i''ve been lurking on the preggo boards for a little while now and figured it''s time to join the party!

so the technicalities -- gingerBguy and I are baking us a gingerBbaby -- estimated time out of the oven -- 2/10/2010! that puts me just about a couple days shy of 17 weeks. we are ridiculously excited!
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it''s funny, i saw the thread on "growing up on pricescope" and it was so fitting. we''re entering a new phase of our life and even though i''ve been gone for a long time, one of the first places i turn to when i wanted info was back here! and slowly i''ve been sucked back in...but happily of course
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i''ve already picked up a ton of useful information from all of our well researched ladies and just want to share this exciting, nervewracking change with the community that shared shared the beginning with me -- engaged, married, and now BABY!
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Date: 9/1/2009 10:52:54 PM
Author: gingerB
hello ladies! it''s me, gingerBcookie =)
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for some reason i''m having trouble accessing my old account so i just started a new one. hope that''s not against the rules. if it is then hopefully someone can tell me how to fix the problem?

anyways, don''t know if any of ya''ll remember me, it''s been a while since i''ve actively posted. but i''ve been lurking on the preggo boards for a little while now and figured it''s time to join the party!

so the technicalities -- gingerBguy and I are baking us a gingerBbaby -- estimated time out of the oven -- 2/10/2010! that puts me just about a couple days shy of 17 weeks. we are ridiculously excited!
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it''s funny, i saw the thread on ''growing up on pricescope'' and it was so fitting. we''re entering a new phase of our life and even though i''ve been gone for a long time, one of the first places i turn to when i wanted info was back here! and slowly i''ve been sucked back in...but happily of course
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i''ve already picked up a ton of useful information from all of our well researched ladies and just want to share this exciting, nervewracking change with the community that shared shared the beginning with me -- engaged, married, and now BABY!
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Hey Ginger!!! Of course we remember you!!! Congrats on your Gingerbaby!!!! That is sooooo exciting!!! How are you feeling, etc... You have to fill us in on all that has gone on... So glad to see you back girl!!!
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Congratulations gingerB! I remember you. It''s good to see here. What a cool due date! Are you going to find out the sex? How exciting!
 
Feb, I am so sorry for your loss. Hugs to you.

Steph, congrats on team blue!

GingerBCookie, how could we forget you. Still hands down one of the best wedding photos on PS! Congrats woman, and welcome back!!!
 
Feb--
I''m so sorry for your loss.
Hugs to you.

Meresal--
Congrats and lots of sticky dust to you.

GingerBCookie--
I agree w/ TGal -- one of the best wedding photos.
and I have to add that I''ve also enjoyed looking at your house pictures too.
How exciting about your GingerBaby. Are you going to find out the sex?

Steph--
Congrats on team Blue.
Andrew must be over the moon happy about having a little brother.
 
Congrats, GingerBCookie!!! Most of the ladies that were in BWW when I was are no longer posting, so it''s good to have you back. And I agree with Tgal that your wedding pics are still one of the most amazing ones on PS.
 
GingerB- Congratulations!!!
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Steph- Yay! Congratulations on baby boy #2!! My two boys are each other''s best friend and on certain days, worst enemy, lol. But for the most part, love and adore each other! You will have a blast with TWO little boys!!

Thank you all for your sympathies. I''m still just slowly spotting and cramping. I go in the morning to have my 3rd beta drawn and I want to request an u/s to make sure it''s not ectopic and that the miscarriage is ending as it should. I''m doing only slightly better emotionally. DH and I have decided in April, when I would have been due, to have a flowering tree planted in our backyard. Also, since April''s birth stone is diamond, DH wants me to get a diamond pendant or diamond right hand ring. Something special that just he and I know what it symbolizes. DH feels tremendous guilt over how he reacted last week, but has turned around and been an amazing support person.
 
Feb that sounds like a beautiful way to remember your little child. Awww, poor hubby
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How could he have known. I''m glad you guys are helping eachother now. Thinking of you!

Hi Ginger, congratulations!! Glad to see you around these parts :) Best of luck and health!
 
Date: 9/1/2009 9:31:56 PM
Author: meresal
That one drew the tears! What an incredible feeling you must have right now!
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Pandora- Thank you for sharing that with me. I really want to be as informed as possible, especially if it is just something that ''could'' happen. Being that tomorrow is our first appointment, I want to make sure I have all my questions together before arriving.

tao- I really hope I get to bypass it, all of it. Unfortunately, I have a 45 minute commute to work in the morning, and that could make things quite interesting.
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9-18 weeks?? I didn''t realize it could start that late?? Did you have any other ''surprises'' that waited a while to show up, or just morning sickness?
No problem...

Sadly there are loads of ''suprises'' that show up during pregnancy
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With morning sickness, most people I know didn''t start to get it until between 7 and 9 weeks. Mine started at 7 weeks and went on till 26 weeks - however there are meds that you can take for it if it''s really bad that are safe in pregnancy.
 
Hi Ginger, great to see you back and congratulations on your pregnancy!
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Thank you, Cara (I know, there is a boy baby boom around here!), Phoenixgirl, Meresal (that made me cry too, so emotional these days!), TGal, Lili, & Feb!

GingerB, Congrats! Are you finding out the sex?

Feb, my thoughts are with you today as you go back to the doctor. I think the tree and the pendant are great ideas.

So, in all the excitement of my news yesterday, I didn''t mention there may be a problem. I am actually waiting on a call today to see what the doctor says after the radiologist looks at my ultrasound pics. The baby looked great and the tech was all excited and talkative and bubbly, but then she took a look at my cervix. When she had it on the screen, there appeared to be a pretty large tear on the left side. She got really quiet and when I went to go get dressed, my husband asked her if my cervix was ok, and she just said "the baby looks great and I''ll have the radiologist look at the pictures and then your doctor will call you." So I''m not really sure what that means or what they will do. I was on bedrest with Andrew for the last 3 months, so I''m kind of expecting that this time, but that would stink since I''m only 18 weeks
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. Anyway, I will just wait to see what the doc says, but I will let you guys know. Hope everyone has a great day.
 
Date: 9/1/2009 7:44:48 PM
Author: taovandel
That's how I see it also. They say it's just as safe for pregnant women as getting a flu shot---but how do they know that? It's a newly developed vaccine! It just scares me to try something that hasn't really been tested yet.


just to be the devil's advocate here
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but each year flu shots are develop new for that year's strain. i am definitely getting both shots, as is DH, and i am insisting that all care givers get both shots. since babies cannot get vaccinated for the flu until 6 months of age AND it is extremely serious if they do get the flu i'm not taking any chances. not that think your opinion on the 'new' vaccine isn't warranted, but it's not as 'scary new' as it may seem.

OK - i've missed so much! congrats steph!!! i sooo am hoping that i have two boys! (not that i've done much with this one in my belly, but i love the idea of brothers) i have a sister, and DH has a brother... i'm just used to the 2 of one gender family. plus, how great is it that you have an entire arsenal of boys clothes, toys, etc. to pull from. congrats, congrats.

i haven't really officially said congrats to mer either! so welcome and congrats. how exciting to tell your parents this weekend! my MIL has a big ol mouth too.... we waited forever to tell them b/c of it... which is a bummer b/c i wanted to tell people earlier.

china! i can't wait to hear how these first few weeks have gone for you! any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated! is it strange not being pg?

hi-ya qt! 19 weeks???!?! i swear you just announced you were PG!!! time has flown by!

ll - ahhhhhh!!! you are so close!!!!!!! only a few more days now right?!?!?

november - luv olivia grace!

mandy - i hear ya on the not sleeping... i think it took me from 12pm until 5am last night to finally get "comfortable" and then my alarm went off... i almost started crying.... i've found (thru yoga) that creating a chair out of pillows and having your knees elevated with lots of support for your arms is the key to initially getting comfortable in bed... i'll see if i can find a picture that describes the set up i use. it usually helps me fall asleep, but then i'll wake up to pee and it's shot ;)

hey nat! you're moving!?!? how fun! way jealous, i love chicago! i can't believe you are days away from being full term!!!! nuts!!!!

feb - DH sounds like a wonderful support system - and a wonderful way to remember your little bean! take care of yourself ((hugs))

as for me... had shower #2 this weekend and we got some really great things. the baby's room is alllllmmmmooooosssstttt finished... we just need to find some blinds. but, as luck would have it, our windows are odd sizes and it looks like custom is the only way to go... and that is expensive! who would have thunk? right now i'm in the midst of writing thank you notes and washing all of the gear. which is the only laundry i like doing ;)

we also have our final wedding of the 'season' this saturday. ugh. i'm about ovah it... 7 sober preggo weddings are too much for one summer. and now i'm down to exactly 1 dress that fits and all of our friends have seen me in it at least 2 times, oh well
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we have our infant care class at the hospital tomorrow... i can't believe it! it's all going so fast now... AAHHHHHHHHHH 4 weeks until i'm full term! seriously, where did the time go?!?!
 
eta - congrats ginger!

keep us posted steph!!
 
Hi Ginger!!! Glad to see you back!!! Congratulations!!!!!
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Feb, I think that planting the flowering tree is a beautiful way to remember the baby. I am so sorry for you and your husband - please tell him not to be so hard on himself.

Steph, I hope that everything is OK with your cervix ...

Ginger, I remember you - don''t you have a fabulous Leon ring? (that''s how I remember PSers) Congrats on your baby!

November, Olivia Grace is a beautiful name!
 
Hi Ginger!!!!. I agree, best wedding pics!
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...welcome come and I wish a happy and healthy pregnancy while you bake gingerbaby!!!!!

Viz, I think I''ve tried it all...I make myself a chair with pillows (with pillos under my knees and all....I use a snoogle pillow to sleep on my side...I''ve tried the couch, etc, etc, etc. Seems like I get one really bad night and then one "ok" night. I''m guessing it''s because I''m so exhausted from the crappy night, but I''ll take it!

I actually think the yoga on Monday may have made it worst....I hadn''t been able to go the last 3 weeks or so. Maybe the stretching just made me more sore?
 
Viz, about blinds....I could be wrong, but I think Home Depot or Lowes will take their stock wood blinds and cut them down to fit any size windows. It''s been about 6 years since we bought our first house and had to get all the blinds, but I think I remember seeing that. It''s worth checking into at least if you were just looking for standard blinds.
 
November- Olivia Grace is so pretty. I used to nanny for a little girl named Olivia and she was just the sweetest thing ever. Congrats on figuring out the name game! DH and I are still hopelessly lost!

Ginger- welcome! I remember your wedding pics too, so pretty! Love that your baby is "GingerBaby"- so cute!

Steph- Thinking of you and anxious to hear what the doc has to say about your cervix. Hope all is well. Big congrats on your baby boy baking in there- love that your boy is being so sweet about becoming a big bro!

Viz- Yay for showers, eh? It''s amazing how generous people are over a baby! I think everyone just gets so excited. I need to start washing all the clothes too. Think that will be my big task for tomorrow. I need to ask my doc about flu shots- I don''t know what to do. I don''t usually get them, but it will be different with the baby. I work in a very public place (for another month anyway) and DH travels constantly, so we both have a lot of exposure to germs but don''t get sick often. Oh- and silly question, but what''s considered "full-term"? I mean, I know it''s 40 weeks from LMP to due date, but full-term is before that, right?

Mandarine- I hear ya on getting very uncomfortable trying to sleep. Last night I actually thought I pulled something trying to roll over
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. All I could think was, oh my gosh- 5 more weeks of this, and it''s only going to get worse...

Feb- I love the idea of the tree and your DH is so sweet to suggest the piece of jewelry. I''m so glad he is supporting you now. Thinking of you guys...hugs...

I''m thinking my Strep B test must be coming up. Is it weird that my doc hasn''t mentioned it? Is that something I would NOT feel comfortable having DH there for? I mean, I know he''s going to get an eye-full during the delivery, but no need to start the embarrassing stuff early. What exactly do they do?
 
steph - they do eh? good to know!! hi ho hi ho it''s off to home depot i go ;)

mandy - eak! sorry
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yeah, that yoga chair pose is the one i can usually go to sleep in - now, after i wake up for that first pee of the evening it doesn''t have that same effect, but at least i get about 2 hours of sleep before tossing and turning. and just ''cuz i''m curious.. with twins do they automatically schedule a c-section?

nat - i thought that ''full-term'' was 38 weeks. and yes, it is amazing how generous people are with babies.... over weddings. but i''m certainly not complaining :)... at least when you get married you typically have plenty of the things you register for - but just want new/matching etc. - or you register for a lot of ''boy it would be nice to have this'' items -- but for a baby... sheesh.. it''s square one...

yeah, i never (knock wood) get sick.. and if i didn''t have a little one at home during the heart of flu season, i wouldn''t get the H1N1 shot -- but i don''t want to take the risk this year.
 
Just posting our ultrasound pic of Baby Evan!

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Hi ladies.

STILL HERE! Ugh. Doing alright. Still having some contractions, but that is it. I feel like this here kid is never coming.

Not loving the fact that colleges are back in session. My DH is a computer scientist at a university here and there are some issues with swine flu on campus. Not so good for anxiety. One of the guys in his group most likely already had it this past week. Luckily, he''s not dealing with students this semester, but still. It is stressing me out. GAH.

Feb - I was sorry to read your news. It sounded very similar to what I went through last August/September - and it was hard. Take time to feel whatever you need to feel.

CC - I don''t know how you made it so far past your due date! I feel like I''m going to lose my mind! Well, that may be a slight overstatement...but urgh. I''m done. DONE.DONE.DONE.

Natalina and Tao - the strep B test is pretty much nothing at all. You have to undress from the waist down and they swab you. It doesn''t hurt at all. I had mine done at 36 weeks, I believe. Not a big deal. Oh, and in terms of being full term, you are technically full term at 37 weeks.

Amber - Yay for adorable PJ! My DH is 6''3". And da baby is looking like he is going to be ginormous. So I feel you.

November - I love the name Olivia Grace! I am happy to be having a boy, but man, I love girl names so much. I could name a whole team of girls...But we are having a heck of a time naming ONE boy.

Ginger - Welcome!

Steph - I hope all is okay. And congrats on team blue!

Hope everyone else is doing well.

I''m still here, still waddling around, uncomfortable as all get out!
 
vizsla, steph is right, home depot will cut blinds to fit any size windows.

steph, great u/s pic! so cute! keep us posted! I was on bedrest for the last 2 months of my pregnancy too. No fun. I hope you don''t have to go through that again. I''m keeping my fingers crossed that everything is okay!

littlelysser, sending you lots of L&D dust!!!
 
Date: 9/1/2009 10:52:54 PM
Author: gingerB
hello ladies! it''s me, gingerBcookie =)
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for some reason i''m having trouble accessing my old account so i just started a new one. hope that''s not against the rules. if it is then hopefully someone can tell me how to fix the problem?


anyways, don''t know if any of ya''ll remember me, it''s been a while since i''ve actively posted. but i''ve been lurking on the preggo boards for a little while now and figured it''s time to join the party!


so the technicalities -- gingerBguy and I are baking us a gingerBbaby -- estimated time out of the oven -- 2/10/2010! that puts me just about a couple days shy of 17 weeks. we are ridiculously excited!
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it''s funny, i saw the thread on ''growing up on pricescope'' and it was so fitting. we''re entering a new phase of our life and even though i''ve been gone for a long time, one of the first places i turn to when i wanted info was back here! and slowly i''ve been sucked back in...but happily of course
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i''ve already picked up a ton of useful information from all of our well researched ladies and just want to share this exciting, nervewracking change with the community that shared shared the beginning with me -- engaged, married, and now BABY!
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Welcome Back Ginger!!!!!! You''ve been missed!
 
aww Steph...so cute!!!

Viz, you basically have a 50/50 chance of ending up with a c-section and I think you can "request" one. However, if baby A (closest to cervix) is head down, they do (in my Drs practice) try to go naturally. If both babies are head down, even better...but you do run the chance that Baby B will turn after Baby A is out (probably thinking WHOAAA, look at all the space I have now! I can flip!). They try to turn the baby...and some even try tod eliver breeched (I''m not sure if my dr will try!)...but there is a chance you end up with a double whammy...first baby born vaginally and second baby via c-section...OUCH!.

Right now, both of my babies are breeched so we''re talking about scheduling a c-section in between week 38 and week 39. If they turn, then we''ll start talking about what I want to do. I want to know how comfortable they are delivering a breeched baby B (or attempting to turn him) before I make that decision!. I think if both babies are head down, I would choose to go vaginally...even with the double whammy chance!

So you''re on the 2-hour sleep schedule as well?. That''s me...go to bed at 11pm, wake up at 1am, 3am, 5am and 7am. Training by mother nature!

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cute babe steph!

LL - loved your post... so real! i keep telling myself that this baby can absolutely not come early... and that i wouldn''t even mind a week past my due date (it''s totally selfish b/c our vacation re-ups in february and i want to enjoy the holidays w/out worry of going back to work mid season) but i can''t even imagine the anticipation etc. that goes along with quickly approaching your due date. talk about nerves. yucky yuck about the swine flu... not fun to be thinking about that on top of everything else. i''d probably hose down DH with hand sanitizer each time he walked in the door :P

mandy - i was wondering about that.. if baby closest to the cervix made it out OK, but then baby B was in the wrong position.... yeah, that''s a toughie! i also think about what a toughie it would be to actually deliver 2 babes at the same time! do you go thru all of the pushing (i.e. 1/2 hr to 2 hrs) for each baby? anyhoodles... it''s totally interesting to me b/c i just have never thought about it before.

that''s all... don''t feel like working today... baby has his foot lodged in my ribs - i swear, in between my ribs - so i''ve got that going for me :P thank gawd our cafe has frozen yogurt... me thinks today is a perfect day for a little afternoon treat.

later ladies!
 
Just popping in to say CONGRATS to GingerBCookie and GingerBGuy!!! Sooo happy for you guys!!
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