Cosmetic Enhancement for Holidays?

[zdrastvootya]

Date: 12/9/2004 12

7:49 AM
Author: HollyGo-Lightly
overdoing anything is negative... and beauty IS different to some...

Angelina Jloie''s lips are touted as the ideal lips, and some people think they look silly. If they are real (IF), then is it ''freakish''? If they are not, does that change the fact that in real life SOMEONE has those lips, to that amount of puffiness...?

I have a girlfriend who is a size 2, tiny waist and DD NATURALLY. She has a barbie doll body, but I wouldn''t call her freakish. Granted she doesn''t often win beauty contests with her smile, BUT, everyone I feel is entitled to their opinions of beauty (whether we agree or not), and the only moral obligation is to the parents who raised a child to dislike themselves for any reason.

Not making a perfect parallel, but it''s like the moral dilemma of sex. The act itself is not wrong, but anyone who does it for the wrong reasons can consider it a moral issue, and can be blasted for their decision. Glad we all have opinions, I just feel people make this topic out to be about vain, selfish silly women, when in reality if any of us were born with a major cosmetic birth defect, it would be OK, but a smaller birth defect seems too much. Who draws the line, and at what? I had a beauty mark removed when i was little...am I vain?

I''ve actually seen a picture of Angelina accompanying her dad (Jon Voight) to the Oscars when she was about 14. Had large lips even at that age, so I venture they''re natural.

Angelina has puffy lips. The surgeon I mentioned - her lips definitely looked fake. I''m sorry, but you could just tell by looking.

It always about degree. As you say, no one would argue with a disfigured person wanting cosmetic surgery. No one would wish anyone to not have any teeth. But would you pull all your teeth out and replace them with implants if they were promised to be perfectly straight? People have these implants when they need them, but doing it for cosmetic reasons? What if someone''s teeth were only a little crooked?

I hear that American Idol judge buys "enhancements" for any of his girlfriends who want them. Again, I find the idea disturbing. My morality detector says there is something wrong here - haven''t pinned down my exact problem with it. (I think the word "enhancement" is used to underplay the fact that there is surgery going on. Surgery always carries health risks.) Removing a beauty mark is relatively benign. Liposuction, where you''re vaccuuming out living tissue is much riskier.

It''s a slippery slope. There are consequences to buying into manufactured ideals of beauty. I think the anorexia phenomena is tied into today''s attitudes towards beauty.

An observation: the attitudes on this topic seem to be splitting somewhat on what males think and what females think. I don''t think there are vain, frivolous females out there. I think the marketing machine is finely tuned to target insecurities. The same insecurities that the marketing machine is bent on creating in the first place. It sells product.

Another rant by me - I really hav to stop

Z.

 

[ringbling17]

Date: 12/8/2004 6:36:27 PM
Author: ForteKitty

Date: 12/8/2004 6:25:58 PM
Author: MrsFrk
My sister has D cups, I got NOTHING. (and we''re Chinese! Where did they come from!!!)

OMG... me too! We''re Chinese, I''m an A, my sister''s a D.

NOBODY in the family has any boobs except her!!

Hey, you guys could be talking about me!

I am not Chinese, but I am asian, and somehow, I have always been a C cup and when I had my first child I went up to a D.
My sister wears an A cup and she loves to point out how big my boobs are compared to hers.

It''s so embarassing.

I am not heavy either, I weigh 115 lbs. and I am 5''4".

I don''t have a butt either, I wear anywhere from 0 to 2 in pants, and usually a small to medium top.

 

[sevens one]

Well, I saw a woman this weekend with an obvious face lift. Let me just say she look awful "surprised" LOL

 

[Libster]

Cosmetic surgery...should we or shouldn''t we? It is definitely a very personal choice with some real risks if going under anesthesia. Any surgery is not something to take lightly and you just hope you choose wisely and have a very skilled surgeon and an equally skilled anesthesiologist!

Our society dictates what the "ideal" look is, what is "socially" acceptable....is that wrong? I don''t know. I worry about the pressures on teenagers in this environment. I believe that the "ideals" cause teens to think they don''t ever look pretty enough, are never skinny enough....etc. I''m older and when I was a teenager my best friend was anorexic and it was a tough battle, one that she has since won, but the struggles in her head will always be there. To look at her she is one of the most beautiful women I''ve ever seen, but she has never seen herself that way.

I think about having cosmetic surgery...purely for vanity sake! I have these bags under my eyes that I inherited from my Father. Everytime I go to visit him it freaks me out...he looks like he''s packed for a month long trip to Europe! I obsess over them, and try every new cover-up on the market and I know I see them more than anyone else...but I still it! Then I think of the risks of surgery....and what if I don''t like how it turns out.....back to my search for the perfect cover-up

For anyone out there that would like to see their lips a "little" plumper, I''ve found a product called "city lips" that I love and swear that my lips look ripe and full

You can find it at www.citylips.com

 

[ursulawrite]

I have to agree with Diamond Geezer. I think we Brits have a slightly negative attitude to it all, anyway -- although it is changing.

I recently saw Eve Ensler''s new play, "The Good Body", which was the most depressing depiction of what women everywhere do to their bodies in the name of beauty. That alone puts me off having surgery.

However, it doesn''t always begin and end with plastic surgery; many people have argued that the way I live my own life is extreme, too (gym 5x a week; no caffeine; no nicotine; no dairy; no wheat).

 

[i_like_tiffany_please_dont_hate_me]

However, it doesn''t always begin and end with plastic surgery; many people have argued that the way I live my own life is extreme, too (gym 5x a week; no caffeine; no nicotine; no dairy; no wheat).

the way you live your life may be different, but I am not sure it is comparable to cosmetic surgery, but I have one question -

no caffeine...???

how?!?!?

I need my coffee

lol

 

[yellowfan]

Hi Libster!

Thanks for the info, I just ordered city lips off sephora.com! Hope it improves my smile! I am thinking heavily of getting Cosmoderm or Restylane injections for my smaller upper lip!

Lori

 

[Libster]

Yellowfan,
Glad to help

I have only tried the clear and just put it on over my lipstick and it feels kinda tingly and after a couple of weeks I swear there was a difference in the appearance, really smooth and full. Enjoy

 

[fire&ice]

I don''t know. I''m pretty anti-enhancements if for the wrong reason. This is probably the shallowist of examples - but - my neice has beautiful piercing crystal blue eyes, fairer skin & full curly raven hair - naturally. Society today dictates - tans, straight hair w/ highlights. Guess what she is walking around looking like instead of the Raven hair fair eyed beauty that she is. She is most beautiful in her natural state. I believe this to be true. You wear your ownself the best.

I don''t know. I look in the mirror and still see that 20 year old *except* with far more wisdom that comes with the lines.

I think people are too quick to think what "beauty" should be instead of what makes them beautiful.

Also, what happened to playing up your strengths & downplaying your weaknesses - instead of focusing on them. I have a friend who is quite large. She wears stunning clothes fit for her body. She always look beautiful as I think she thinks she is.

And, one final potification - I had no idea that women were sooooooo obsessed with breasts. I thought that was a guy thing.

.

 

[canuk-gal]

Date: 12/9/2004 4:43:55 PM
Author: fire&ice

And, one final potification - I had no idea that women were sooooooo obsessed with breasts.

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HI:

Perhaps, but less so than their diamonds????

cheers--Sharon

 

[ForteKitty]

Fire&Ice~ your neice is so lucky! I''ve always wanted that Liv Tyler-ish combination!

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 12/9/2004 5:21:26 PM
Author: ForteKitty
Fire&Ice~ your neice is so lucky! I''ve always wanted that Liv Tyler-ish combination!

That''s just it - she doesn''t appreciate her beauty in her natural state. She gets mad that I call her on her "tan, highlights & straight hair". She says she is young and this is what they do. *sigh*

 

[i_like_tiffany_please_dont_hate_me]

in cold places, to be tanned is seen as beautiful because it implies wealth - the abilty to take foreign holidays. 200 years ago, the fashion was for pasty white skin, because that implied wealth, working indoors in a profession instead of out in the field (origin of the term of abuse, ''redneck'')

on an aesthetic level, I''ll never understand the idea that tanned skin is necessarily more beautiful than pale skin. what is worse is fake tan or tanning machines, all I see around are shallow ''fashionable'' girls (most are horribly insecure) walking around. maybe it is just me, but I think it looks like the umpa-lumpa convention is in town

 

[ursulawrite]

"And, one final potification - I had no idea that women were sooooooo obsessed with breasts."


Me neither. I, personally, am 5''7, 110lbs, and would look utterly ridiculous with anything bigger than what I have.

 

[reena]

Date: 12/9/2004 6:39:52 PM
Author: ursulawrite
'And, one final potification - I had no idea that women were sooooooo obsessed with breasts.'


Me neither. I, personally, am 5'7, 110lbs, and would look utterly ridiculous with anything bigger than what I have.

i'm not "obsessed"--it's just that everyone's got a thing or two that bugs them about their bodies. a lot of people here mentioned wanting lipo and tummy tucks; well, my small chest is MY thing. i certainly don't want a stripper rack, but i wouldn't mind filling out an A cup. why should the fact that i'm complaining about my boobs and not my a$$ make a difference?

 

[Mara]

I know alot of women who are obsessed with their bodies...not necessarily breasts or butt or anything specific. Just more along the lines of how they look in general. Aka boy I wish I looked smaller in these pants, or why does my butt look so big today. It's easy to see yourself in one way while the world sees you in another. Sometimes I see a picture of myself and am amazed at what I look like...esp if I remember how I 'felt' that night.

I'd love for my boobs to be smaller! Yes I know it's an odd thing when so many want bigger, but honestly sometimes I feel as though they don't fit my body and I would look smaller in general if they were smaller too. I've always wanted to be smaller in general, more petite with smaller shoulders/frame. Of course there are friends who envy my height and body structure...Grass is ALWAYS Greener! Of course Greg disagrees on the smaller boob thing, but I can't help but wishing I was a B instead of a full C. So many things would fit better. Aka that tube top that you are talking about Reena? Bigger isn't always better for those! I envy my smaller friends who fill it out but don't overfill it.

Oh well, body changes through life so we'll see what happens to mine. Nothing is ever perfect!!

 

[i_like_tiffany_please_dont_hate_me]

Oh well, body changes through life so we''ll see what happens to mine. Nothing is ever perfect!!

accepting, loving and enjoying what you have does make everything perfect

happiness is not having what you want, it''s wanting what you have

 

[Diamonds4Me]

I, personally, would not go under the knife unless I absolutely had to. The thought of surgery for an illness or injury makes me cringe..I couldn't see myself doing it on purpose (At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite right now...I would like to have my ears pinned back. I don't wear my hair in a ponytail because they stick out so much. And yes they do! I've had comments on how CUTE they are

But I would never do it simply because I'm a chicken and hate pain). And needles?? I'm 27 and still feel like screaming and running for the door. I was diagnosed as a hypoglycemic about two years ago. Anyone that has ever been through that test will know why I really hate needles! But at the same time I know that people think differently and are willing to do what they feel they should.

 

[njc]

D4M - I feel your pain on the ears... ive had mine pinned back. When i was a little girl, i wore a lot of head bands to keep my hair back... my older brother used to call me Dumbo and take my headbands and put them on my ears to make them stay in. Im soooo glad my mom let me get the surgery... I was only 10!!! I cant remember asking her, but i certainly never said no if she was the one that came up with the idea. I can remember the doctor explaining everything to me and being like, you sure you want to do this? And as far as pain, it was very mild, i really dont remember any. The most annoying part was the "helmet" of bandages i had to wear for a couple days right afterwards... it limited how wide i could open my mouth thus limiting what i could eat. But would do it again in a heart beat!!!

 

[Diamonds4Me]

Date: 12/10/2004 9:31:56 AM
Author: njc
D4M - I feel your pain on the ears... ive had mine pinned back. When i was a little girl, i wore a lot of head bands to keep my hair back... my older brother used to call me Dumbo and take my headbands and put them on my ears to make them stay in. Im soooo glad my mom let me get the surgery... I was only 10!!! I cant remember asking her, but i certainly never said no if she was the one that came up with the idea. I can remember the doctor explaining everything to me and being like, you sure you want to do this? And as far as pain, it was very mild, i really dont remember any. The most annoying part was the ''helmet'' of bandages i had to wear for a couple days right afterwards... it limited how wide i could open my mouth thus limiting what i could eat. But would do it again in a heart beat!!!

At least it wasn''t too painful

My h2b''s brother had it done way back when and he seems very happy with it. I''d post a picture (really NOT going to happen) but its just too embarrassing

lol

 

[seeking_jubilee]

Holy cow. After watching SEVERAL episodes of Plastic Surgery: Before/After, I can''t see how anyone would get that done. Not that the end result isn''t great - the recovery seems painful, and the actual procedure...yikes...so rough!

 

[Kamuelamom]

Date: 12/8/2004 6:36:27 PM
Author: ForteKitty

Date: 12/8/2004 6:25:58 PM
Author: MrsFrk
My sister has D cups, I got NOTHING. (and we''re Chinese! Where did they come from!!!)

OMG... me too! We''re Chinese, I''m an A, my sister''s a D.

NOBODY in the family has any boobs except her!!

Although I''m Japanese, not Chinese, this if funny cuz it''s true in my family, too. Except my sisters got nothing and though I''m not exactly a D, I got way more than they did and never knew why.

My coworker just had a breast enhancement. In fact, I covered the office for her when she had to go for a recheck. She did it following her daughter''s enhancement 2 months ago. There''s a doc here who flies in from another island, does consultations, then books ''em Danno. He''s running such a lucrative business--flies his patients over to his clinic, puts them up for a night, limo service, the works... I''m amazed at how many women I''m seeing do this. And young girls too.

Personally it''s not for me but if it makes them feel better, well that''s their choice.

 

[Rosie]

Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

 

[yellowfan]

Well to update everyone, I got up the nerve and had Botox injections around my hairline for headaches, and my eyebrow areas for a "lift" look and it was not painful and since my headaches are better, I will continue to get them for that reason alone. The eye areas, for the "lift look" I could not tell a major difference there, but for the deep vein lines between the eyes, it was a really pleasing result.... I also tried Cosmoplast/Cosmoderm for my lips and it was painful, but I am happy as my lips were looking thinner. I don''t have "Angelina Jolie lips" but my lips improved! All in all Botox was not $$$ but Cosmoderm/Cosmoplast was $$$. I had all of this done at my trusty dermatologist office and did not have to go to a plastic surgeon whom I am sure would be more money. I told my Mom I am going to treat her next when she comes in for a visit!!! She told me she was scared of needles, so I doubt she will do it, but I will again, and again. If you suffer major headaches, get them to do your hairline areas first to see if it will work for you!


Happy New Year!!

Lori/yellow

 

[sevens one]

I''m glad to hear it helped your headaches. I know how painful they can be.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 1/4/2005 6:17

1 PM
Author: Rosie
Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

WOW !!!

thats $3500 each ,could of got a nice pair of earrings.

 

[Kamuelamom]

Date: 1/4/2005 8:22:52 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/4/2005 6:17

1 PM
Author: Rosie
Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

WOW !!!

thats $3500 each ,could of got a nice pair of earrings.

DF, a nice pair is a nice pair, wouldn''t you say?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 1/5/2005 3:45:45 AM
Author: Kamuelamom

Date: 1/4/2005 8:22:52 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/4/2005 6:17

1 PM
Author: Rosie
Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

WOW !!!

thats $3500 each ,could of got a nice pair of earrings.

DF, a nice pair is a nice pair, wouldn''t you say?

K-mom
at least the earrings would of been real....like the song say "aint nothing like the real thing baby"

 

[hoorray]

Date: 1/5/2005 8

2:12 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/5/2005 3:45:45 AM
Author: Kamuelamom

Date: 1/4/2005 8:22:52 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/4/2005 6:17

1 PM
Author: Rosie
Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

WOW !!!

thats $3500 each ,could of got a nice pair of earrings.

DF, a nice pair is a nice pair, wouldn''t you say?

K-mom
at least the earrings would of been real....like the song say ''aint nothing like the real thing baby''

I don''t know Dancing Fire...DH always says...."we don''t care

" when I say... but"they''re not real

". It''s a running joke between us.

 

[Shay37]

Date: 1/5/2005 8:35:35 PM
Author: lop

Date: 1/5/2005 8

2:12 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/5/2005 3:45:45 AM
Author: Kamuelamom

Date: 1/4/2005 8:22:52 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 1/4/2005 6:17

1 PM
Author: Rosie
Well I had breast augumentation and it was the best$7,000 we spent, i should of done it a few years ago when I finished having the kids

WOW !!!

thats $3500 each ,could of got a nice pair of earrings.

DF, a nice pair is a nice pair, wouldn''t you say?

K-mom
at least the earrings would of been real....like the song say ''aint nothing like the real thing baby''

I don''t know Dancing Fire...DH always says....''we don''t care

'' when I say... but''they''re not real

''. It''s a running joke between us.

Lop, I am now dying. I think I am going to need Depends before this thread is done. My husband (when he was still my fiance) said the EXACT same thing to me one evening while he was drooling over Baywatch. That conversation was very enlightening and led to my boob job. I was so flat-chested that strangers would tell me their favorite jokes on the subject.

I became very self conscious about it, and when I got this answer from him (Me: Oh, grow up. They''re not real! Him: SOOO!! Guys don''t care!), I decided it was time for me to make a decision about a part of myself that I always felt didn''t measure up. I asked him what he thought, and he said, "It''s your body. Do what you want. Keep in mind, I''m really not a Dolly Parton fan." I decided to go for it. I don''t slosh. Since having two children, they look even better. Prior to the children, however, I had doctors who didn''t know by looking that they weren''t naturally grown. My only regret is that I didn''t have it done at least 10 years earlier than I did. That''s when I first started kicking the idea around. It took the love and support of someone who really didn''t care one way or the other (he loved ME) to help me to put up or shut up. (Either fix what I hated about myself, or shut the hell up about it!) I knew that if I let it, the insecurity I had could harm my relationship with my husband. So I did it.
I have never regretted that decision for one second since then.

Shay