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Could my 3.02ct F VS2 diamond have been switched to a CZ?

Phoenix

Phoenix

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I had my 3.02ct RB diamond reset (my 2nd reset) last year, by a jeweller that I'd been using for several years. Stupidly, I didn't stay with the diamond all the time, I stepped away for about an hour or so to go have lunch!
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Recently, there was a thread about CZ's versus real diamonds and someone mentioned that you can easily tell if a stone is a CZ because it gives out a blue-ish fire. I looked at some pics that I took a few months ago of my reset ring and sure enough, there's the dreaded blue-ish fire!
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I'm attaching pics of the ring as it was and as it is now. I'd be really grateful if someone could please tell me whether I now have a CZ instead of my beloved diamond!!
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I did have a look at the diamond after it was reset but couldn't see anything obviously different with it. The stone has very indiscernible inclusions, only a few very small feathers. There's one on the girdle that can be used to distinguish it but you'd need to look at it under a microcope.

(Anyway, I can't have it checked at the momennt because I don't have the ring with me - it's locked in in a safety deposit box in another country).
 
My beloved diamond in its temp setting, when I first bought it:

3.02ct F VS2_temp setting.jpg
 
In its old setting (1st reset) which I had for over two years. I had the diamond checked and appraised afterwards after it was first reset and it is the same diamond.

3.02ct F VS2_old setting.jpg
 
In its third and current setting (2nd reset):

3.02ct F VS2_new setting 1.jpg
 
It is a BIG DEAL if such a beautiful stone got switched. I would bring it to an independent appraiser for verification as soon as you can!
 
The dreaded blue-ish fire;

3.02ct F VS2_new setting 3.jpg
 
One more with the dreaded blue-ish fire:

3.02ct F VS2_new setting 2.jpg
 
Oh Phoenix, I am panicking with you . Arrange to get it to an appraiser ASAP! Go to any lengths possible to get this sorted out, regardless of where you are or it is. I am sure that this is not the case and it is your diamond still in its reset. However, how can you tell until it is confirmed? It is only way you will get any peace. Good luck and keep us posted. We will suffer every step of the way with you!!!
 
The pictures don't look like a CZ but I am no expert. Get it appraised.
 
Date: 5/15/2010 4:37:42 AM
Author: zhuzhu
It is a BIG DEAL if such a beautiful stone got switched. I would bring it to an independent appraiser for verification as soon as you can!
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I do KNOW!!
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I can't at the moment because I don't have the ring with me. Anyway, there's no-one in Shanghai that I'd trust enough to do the verfication for me.

I'd have to wait until I get back to Singapore (and I won't be able to do that for another few weeks). I'd just really appreciate it if someone could chime in and let me know whether I have anything to worry about - so I can sleep at night!
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Date: 5/15/2010 4:57:14 AM
Author: susimoo
Oh Phoenix, I am panicking with you . Arrange to get it to an appraiser ASAP! Go to any lengths possible to get this sorted out, regardless of where you are or it is. I am sure that this is not the case and it is your diamond still in its reset. However, how can you tell until it is confirmed? It is only way you will get any peace. Good luck and keep us posted. We will suffer every step of the way with you!!!
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Thank you, Susimoo. I really AM panicking!
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I didn''t think anything about it until I read that post. I feel like I''m sitting on burning charcoal, until I can get to Singapore!

If it does turn out to be a CZ, I''d totally DIE!! That ring is not insured for that purpose (couldn''t have it insured since we moved to China)!
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phoenix, i am sorry that you have to worry about this, it must be such a stressful situation. I hope you can get to an independent appraiser soon!!!

i don''t know too much about the subject but here''s an interesting article for your evaluation for now:

http://www.jewelry-secrets.com/Gemstones/CZ/CZ-Or-Diamond/How-To-Tell-A-CZ-From-A-Diamond.html

also - don''t know if this is correct - diamond also dissipate heat faster. blow hot air onto diamond it will clear up faster than a cz. see if you have another diamond to compare.

but yeh don''t know how accurate this is so best to get ti appraised..goodluck!!!
 
Hi Phoenix my friend!

One thing you could do, do you have the lab report? Get it out and a loupe ( 10x) or see about buying one and see if you can match any inclusions noted on the report to your stone. Is it inscribed?

Diamonds do give off blue fire depending on the lighting conditions, I can't tell for sure and I would never want to give you bad advice, but the chances are good as this is a jeweller you have used for years that this is your stone. Its reasonably unlikely that he would have a CZ of that size so conveniently located to swap with your stone, plus although this is no guarantee and is idle speculation on my part, looks like the table sizes of the stone are similar from what I can tell.

I think what I would do is not worry about it but for peace of mind just get the stone checked when you can so you know for sure and you can relax.

One thing I am also thinking, your stone has such a beautiful cut, I would imagine a large CZ is going to behave differently and not perform like your stone and it is possible in the rare event your stone was switched, you would have noticed it last year when it was reset. So I wouldn't worry too much but get it checked when you get back so you can put it behind you.

Here is the fire thread with other stones showing fire, https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-fire-thread.77649/
 
Can you get it tested for diamond? Even though they may not verify it to be the same diamond, they should know if it is a real diamond.
 
Date: 5/15/2010 5:43:02 AM
Author: Lorelei
Hi Phoenix my friend!


One thing you could do, do you have the lab report? Get it out and a loupe ( 10x) or see about buying one and see if you can match any inclusions noted on the report to your stone. Is it inscribed?


Diamonds do give off blue fire, I can''t tell for sure and I would never want to give you bad advice, but the chances are good this is a jeweller you have used for years that this is your stone. Its reasonably unlikely that he would have a CZ of that size so conveniently located to swap with your stone, plus although this is no guarantee and is idle speculation on my part, looks like the table sizes of the stone are similar from what I can tell.


I think what I would do is not worry about it but for peace of mind just get the stone checked when you can so you know for sure and you can relax.


One thing I am also thinking, your stone has such a beautiful cut, I would imagine a large CZ is going to behave differently and not perform like your stone.
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ditto
 
If you have been wearing it daily for a few months we would see the scratches by now.
Stop panicking and get a professional opinion.
Blue light???????????
rubbish

CZ looks like a diamond with a drop of milky water in it when it is dirty
 
Breathe, Phoenix! While I do think you should get your ring appraised after a rest, just for safety''s sake (to be sure it''s still a diamond, still the same diamond, not chipped in setting, etc.), the blue fire thing is nonsense. ALL diamonds produce the full gamut of colors, including blue: I think the poster talking about CZ''s meant more of an overall blue tint.

Bottom line: if you didn''t have any suspicions about your stone before that thread, you shouldn''t have any now.
 
All of our diamonds have bluish fire too.
They also have yellow, violet, red, orange, green etc.

Does your diamond have only blue fire? or did it have all colors but you took those pics only when the blue was there?
Is it the case that CZs have only blue fire?
 
Phoenix, it is probably ok. Most jewelers wouldn''t risk their reputation over 1 diamond, they say. If you didn''t notice any difference when you first got it, it is probably your diamond. What are the chances
of a jeweler having a three carat cz that looks as good as your diamond?

Was the setting done in the US?

Having it switched by someone you have used before? Probably not. I''ve seen lots of diamonds posted here that give off a blue flash. Keep telling yourself that it is fine, and then when you can get
your ring go somewhere, in the least, that has a tester.

Most people don''t stand right there with their diamond when it is getting set. Don''t beat yourself up over that one.

It is probably your diamond. Take a deep breath.
 
1) Blue flashes are NOT an indication of CZ.
2) Separating CZ from diamond is pretty easy using a very inexpensive tool. Most jewelers have one and nearly all can do it for you while you wait and for free if you ask politely.

That said, it might benefit you to get it appraised and insured anyway. It won’t reduce the chances that someone will steal your diamond, but it will make it someone else’s problem and THAT will both increase your enjoyment of the piece and reduce your blood pressure.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Phoenix - I''d check it but don''t base it on blueish fire - I have TONS of photos of my stone with blue fire and aqua fire etc. and its definitely real... there''s no swapping such a unique cut. I just went through my old thread and there are at least 10 photos with blueish fire. I''m not saying don''t check it out, I''m saying it could be nothing :)
 
Date: 5/15/2010 9:38:47 AM
Author: denverappraiser
1) Blue flashes are NOT an indication of CZ.

2) Separating CZ from diamond is pretty easy using a very inexpensive tool. Most jewelers have one and nearly all can do it for you while you wait and for free if you ask politely.


That said, it might benefit you to get it appraised and insured anyway. It won’t reduce the chances that someone will steal your diamond, but it will make it someone else’s problem and THAT will both increase your enjoyment of the piece and reduce your blood pressure.


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA

Professional Appraisals in Denver
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we can''t get our diamonds insured here in china neil
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I left mine back at home in a safety box for 2 years and phoenix is gutsier and brought hers with her. She''s in Shanghai and I''m in Dalian.
 
Hasn''t there been several threads telling people how to take a stone and place it over black text. If the words or letters can be seen normal by looking through the stone it is a created stone? With that honking size of stone I would think you could read war and peace on a good day if it were a fake. But a sonnet or two would work now for your test practice!

I think Garry and Denver just gave great professional views;

Garry- If you have been wearing it for months and there are no scratches (then fret not is my addition).
Garry- Rubbish
Denver- Blue=hogwash.

Darlin, you know your stone. There is something that has always caught your eye. At that size you have to be familiar with it. Please tell me you spend quality time starring at it. At that size I know I would have too! I think you would have known right off the bat back a year ago. I think your camera is too blame. Take more of all the rest on your toes...(the avatar image) see how many of the rest are blue.
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Most jewelry stores have that little hand held diamond tester and I am sure would gladly check it for you. I also doubt a jeweler would risk swapping out a diamond for CZ.
 
Date: 5/15/2010 10:57:16 AM
Author: CasaBlanca
Hasn''t there been several threads telling people how to take a stone and place it over black text. If the words or letters can be seen normal by looking through the stone it is a created stone? With that honking size of stone I would think you could read war and peace on a good day if it were a fake. But a sonnet or two would work now for your test practice!

I think Garry and Denver just gave great professional views;

Garry- If you have been wearing it for months and there are no scratches (then fret not is my addition).
Garry- Rubbish
Denver- Blue=hogwash.

Darlin, you know your stone. There is something that has always caught your eye. At that size you have to be familiar with it. Please tell me you spend quality time starring at it. At that size I know I would have too! I think you would have known right off the bat back a year ago. I think your camera is too blame. Take more of all the rest on your toes...(the avatar image) see how many of the rest are blue.
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With a decently cut CZ, that isn''t a reliable test at all.

CZs don''t have any more or less blue fire than a diamond... but they do have a sort of funky pale/hazy slightly blue tinge to the stone itself sometimes. At least the poor quality overly white ones do.

If you breathe on the stone to fog it up, a diamond will unfog a lot faster than a CZ. A *lot* faster.
 
Yes.. only blue fire? letters through a stone? Definitely not reliable tests! Any diamond, cz, colourless stone with high enough RI will show all colours of the spectrum, incl. blue, and a well-cut cz is like a diamond - obscures unless windowed.


Don''t panick Lien it''s very unlikely that a reputable jeweller risked his reputation and business by swapping out your stone! Have it appraised, and take a look under your jeweller''s loupe & microscope so you know what to look for next time. I really think everything''s okay!!
 
Date: 5/15/2010 1:37:13 PM
Author: LittleGreyKitten

Date: 5/15/2010 10:57:16 AM
Author: CasaBlanca
Hasn''t there been several threads telling people how to take a stone and place it over black text. If the words or letters can be seen normal by looking through the stone it is a created stone? With that honking size of stone I would think you could read war and peace on a good day if it were a fake. But a sonnet or two would work now for your test practice!

I think Garry and Denver just gave great professional views;

Garry- If you have been wearing it for months and there are no scratches (then fret not is my addition).
Garry- Rubbish
Denver- Blue=hogwash.

Darlin, you know your stone. There is something that has always caught your eye. At that size you have to be familiar with it. Please tell me you spend quality time starring at it. At that size I know I would have too! I think you would have known right off the bat back a year ago. I think your camera is too blame. Take more of all the rest on your toes...(the avatar image) see how many of the rest are blue.
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With a decently cut CZ, that isn''t a reliable test at all.

CZs don''t have any more or less blue fire than a diamond... but they do have a sort of funky pale/hazy slightly blue tinge to the stone itself sometimes. At least the poor quality overly white ones do.

If you breathe on the stone to fog it up, a diamond will unfog a lot faster than a CZ. A *lot* faster.
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Ditto to that, good description thats what I have seen as well.
 
Phoenix,
I think everything is just fine! Try not to worry, I really doubt that your stone was switched. It looks like the same stone to me, but of course I am no expert.

Honestly, you KNOW what diamonds look like... I think you'd have noticed pretty darn quick if you'd have gotten a CZ!

BTW, ummmm... is that your footsie in your avatar???!!!!
 
ditto to what everyone said. don''t stress too much over it. i know easier said than done, especially since your ring is in the safety deposit box and you can''t see it.

i don''t think your jeweler will do such a thing especially since you''ve used him for years. don''t worry too much. relax, take a deep breath. get it checked out as soon as you can.
 
Date: 5/15/2010 5:21:19 AM
Author: crisnpearl
phoenix, i am sorry that you have to worry about this, it must be such a stressful situation. I hope you can get to an independent appraiser soon!!!

i don''t know too much about the subject but here''s an interesting article for your evaluation for now:

http://www.jewelry-secrets.com/Gemstones/CZ/CZ-Or-Diamond/How-To-Tell-A-CZ-From-A-Diamond.html

also - don''t know if this is correct - diamond also dissipate heat faster. blow hot air onto diamond it will clear up faster than a cz. see if you have another diamond to compare.

but yeh don''t know how accurate this is so best to get ti appraised..goodluck!!!
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Thank you, crisnpearl. I AM really stressed! The worst thing is since I read that thread, I''ve been thinking about going to SG and get my diamond appraised; but alas I can''t for a while!
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Thank you for the article. It makes very interesting reading!
 
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