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Miranda, Diamonddana and Hollys - Thanks girls for your positive wishes! You guys just have no idea how much this is helping me. Yesterday was such a bad day. I needed this so much!

Haven - Thanks for posting. Wow, 30 years for your parents.......how sad......I imagine that must be very hard for you to go through. My parents have been married 35, and I can't fathom the emotions I'd be feeling. Hope your doing well!

Irish - Hey girl. I kinda remember reading a few of your posts reguarding your first marriage, and I think we may have some similarities in our situations. And you were probably about my age when you went through it. I think that's a hard thing for me.......Its like, I just could never have imagine being a divorcee at 24! I just feel like that's a lot of baggage to have at such a young age, and it saddens me. But live and learn, I suppose. Make better decsions, and stay true to myself, reguardless of who walks in or out of my life. We'll talk more later, friend.

KimberlyH and Bliss - Thanks so much. I'm trying to stay strong. And I am leaning on my family very tremendously. I'm just amazed at how they've really pulled together for me. I just feel so much love from them, and it absolutely warms my heart!

Geckodani - Thanks for your post. Your right - I can't let myself give in to any guilt trips. I have to keep reminding myself of that. And I will get through. Will it be easy? No. Will it be painless? No. Will I be ok? Yes.

Choro72 and Tgal and Pocahontas - Thanks for your support my friends!

Sandiegolady - Thanks so much for your encouragement. Your such a great woman! And I admire you greatly for all that you have overcome.

Missgotrocks - Thanks for your post - I'm trying to take my time and get the professional advice that I need to make a good decision.

Princess - Thanks again. I am getting my own lawyer. I'm going to make sure that I'm protected, and that this is fair for me. Its so hard, but I just need to get over that. I'm getting stronger each day. I severed the cord that was binding me to him, and I'm not afraid anymore.

Sparkles - Thanks for the good vibes! I like good vibes!

Laraonline - Your post made me smile. My international cheer squad........I like that idea. In fact, I think if its ok with everyone, I'm taking 'yal to the appointment with the attorney Friday morning, ok?
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Pandora - I am setting the pace this time. I'm not letting him bully me anymore. I'm standing on my own 2 feet right now, and it feels pretty darn good!


A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don't show my emotions much, when I'm around other people. I'm just very private that way. And they don't see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I'm just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I'm the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I'm not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......
 
Don''t just hire a pit bull. Hire a pit bull in lipstick if you can find one. They LOVE yanking the ''you-knows'' of the ex and his attorney. And they don''t stop yanking until they get the best deal for you.

Sign nothing until your pit bull looks it over . . . under a microscope.

Get whatever money you can out of joint accounts and into your own.

Be completely and totally unavailable to speak with him without your attorney present. No phone calls. No visits. I would not have said this earlier, just in case of a reconciliation. But you''ve told us he dumped it on you, has already drawn up papers, and is getting ugly. He''s obviously been planning this scenario for some time. So throw a monkey wrench into his well planned plan.

Get mad. You can cry over what might have been later. You need to get your mad on right now and kick his butt. Figuratively, of course.
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If you need to implement literal butt kickin'', we PSers will come do it for you! He''d never know who we were.
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I can understand how people would probably assume you''re further along in the grieving process if you were the one who decided to leave and you''re not showing emotions outwardly. However, remember, big topics--like divorce--are sometimes really uncomfortable for people to approach. Sometimes they feel like if they say the wrong thing, you''re going to completely melt down...and if you''re acting strong, they may feel like "leave well enough alone". People often times don''t want to pry, or come off as nosy...divorce is a very private thing for many people, and they many assume you don''t feel like talking about it.

I am sure everyone you come across, at least everyone who does knows what''s going on is privately holding you close. You are probably in everyone''s thoughts and prayers and your well being is more than likely on their mind. No one likes to see someone hurting.

Continue to be strong, every day is one step further away from your unhappiness...celebrate that. We''re all thinking of you, and supporting you.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier


A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don''t show my emotions much, when I''m around other people. I''m just very private that way. And they don''t see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I''m just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I''m the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I''m not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......

Well, screw them.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier

Geckodani - Thanks for your post. Your right - I can't let myself give in to any guilt trips. I have to keep reminding myself of that. And I will get through. Will it be easy? No. Will it be painless? No. Will I be ok? Yes.
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Good for you.
 
Oh Jodi--sending you more (((((hugs)))))--been thinking about you.

Ditto Italia and others about getting a good lawyer before you sign anything.

I''m so sorry about the way he has and is treating you.

You are so lovely and being tremendously strong through all this. Thanks for the updates. Sending you more support..

xoxo
 
I just finished reading through these posts.
I am not going to even pretend to know what you are going through. But I will say, take a few more bites of the Haagen-Dazs* (insert personal vice here) and then put on your meanie pants.

It sounds like your soon to be ex-husband sure has everything figured out. Just sign here... right? WRONG. He and his lawyers have things worked out to where HE''LL benefit. I''ll put my 100% USDA Grade A Beef rating on that. YOUR INTERESTS ARE NOT BEING PROTECTED. DONT LET THEM BULLY A SIGNATURE OUT OF YOU!

If he has been planning this and just now sprung that on you... he is setting you up! and I am sorry if I offend, sounds like a royal d@u$hebag.

So -- consult w/ an attorney... they don''t rep you till you sign... so it is in your best interest to speak with one... otherwise he''s speaking for you... and based on some previous posts, sounds like he''s done enough of that already... and look at where that got you.

And 2 - hit the gym, so you''ll look good and be strong while kickin'' his booty.

And 3- buy a killer pair of shoes so you can hit the town with your girlfriends.

and 4---- HUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I''m sorry to hear about that. Just know that we are all here to support you through this time...
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Jo, I am glad to hear that you are working on taking care of yourself. And please, be gentle with yourself, you are going through alot at a young age. I can hear the strength in you and know it will serve you well.

I have to echo Princess'' post on what others are saying. There''s a quote from someone well-known (my memory fails me) that always comforts me when I am in a similar situation and helps me to do what is right for me:
"What other people think of me is none of my business"

Hugs, dust and prayers coming your way.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier
Miranda, Diamonddana and Hollys - Thanks girls for your positive wishes! You guys just have no idea how much this is helping me. Yesterday was such a bad day. I needed this so much!

Haven - Thanks for posting. Wow, 30 years for your parents.......how sad......I imagine that must be very hard for you to go through. My parents have been married 35, and I can''t fathom the emotions I''d be feeling. Hope your doing well!

Irish - Hey girl. I kinda remember reading a few of your posts reguarding your first marriage, and I think we may have some similarities in our situations. And you were probably about my age when you went through it. I think that''s a hard thing for me.......Its like, I just could never have imagine being a divorcee at 24! I just feel like that''s a lot of baggage to have at such a young age, and it saddens me. But live and learn, I suppose. Make better decsions, and stay true to myself, reguardless of who walks in or out of my life. We''ll talk more later, friend.

KimberlyH and Bliss - Thanks so much. I''m trying to stay strong. And I am leaning on my family very tremendously. I''m just amazed at how they''ve really pulled together for me. I just feel so much love from them, and it absolutely warms my heart!

Geckodani - Thanks for your post. Your right - I can''t let myself give in to any guilt trips. I have to keep reminding myself of that. And I will get through. Will it be easy? No. Will it be painless? No. Will I be ok? Yes.

Choro72 and Tgal and Pocahontas - Thanks for your support my friends!

Sandiegolady - Thanks so much for your encouragement. Your such a great woman! And I admire you greatly for all that you have overcome.

Missgotrocks - Thanks for your post - I''m trying to take my time and get the professional advice that I need to make a good decision.

Princess - Thanks again. I am getting my own lawyer. I''m going to make sure that I''m protected, and that this is fair for me. Its so hard, but I just need to get over that. I''m getting stronger each day. I severed the cord that was binding me to him, and I''m not afraid anymore.

Sparkles - Thanks for the good vibes! I like good vibes!

Laraonline - Your post made me smile. My international cheer squad........I like that idea. In fact, I think if its ok with everyone, I''m taking ''yal to the appointment with the attorney Friday morning, ok?
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Pandora - I am setting the pace this time. I''m not letting him bully me anymore. I''m standing on my own 2 feet right now, and it feels pretty darn good!


A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don''t show my emotions much, when I''m around other people. I''m just very private that way. And they don''t see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I''m just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I''m the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I''m not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......
Jo, you''re right. I was 25 when I left XH and filed for divorce, after being married to him for three years. BEST. DECISION. EVER.
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That was five years ago now, and the only thing I regret is that I didn''t do it sooner. If I had it to do over again, I would have left XH the second I saw his true colors, and I would have never wasted six years in that relationship.

And we will all DEFINITELY be at your appointment with your lawyer on Friday morning! Have you seen those Verizon commercials with "the network" and there''s a huge crowd of people standing behind the person with the cell phone? That will be us!!!
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Date: 1/14/2009 2:33:27 PM
Author: princesss

Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier


A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don''t show my emotions much, when I''m around other people. I''m just very private that way. And they don''t see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I''m just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I''m the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I''m not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......

Well, screw them.
DITTO!!!!!!!
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I am sorry you are going through such a stressful time.

Be careful with your assets. Do not act in haste...you know how that old maxim ends.

Although you are young to be getting divorced, I would see that as a blessing. You are beginning the rest of your life...at the beginning of your life.

Hugs!
 
Hey Joflier, I saw this just after you had posted originally, but just got back to the computer an hour ago. My father is a divorce attorney, and I worked in his office for a long time. I believe we also have some family law paralegals around here as well. If you would feel comfortable sharing more, we might be able to point you in the right direction. Just stuff like what you''ve done so far, accounts that you''ve taken money out of etc, and what he''s done so far as well. I would also like to point you in the direction of martindale.com where you can look at his attorney''s peer review rating and the attorney you''re going to meet with''s peer review rating. It also gives you what is essentially their resumes, educations and accomplishments. I wish PMs existed here so I could give you a referral.

Whatever you do, do not sign anything until you have your own attorney look it over.

Good luck and come here if you need anything at all. We are here for you.
 
Jo, just wanted to let you know I continue to think of you and am sending lots of good thoughts your way. I''m so sorry that some are reacting poorly to your choice, and so glad that you are feeling tons of love and support from your family. Don''t allow yourself to be pushed into anything that doesn''t seem/feel right. My best to you.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier
Miranda, Diamonddana and Hollys - Thanks girls for your positive wishes! You guys just have no idea how much this is helping me. Yesterday was such a bad day. I needed this so much!


Haven - Thanks for posting. Wow, 30 years for your parents.......how sad......I imagine that must be very hard for you to go through. My parents have been married 35, and I can''t fathom the emotions I''d be feeling. Hope your doing well!


Irish - Hey girl. I kinda remember reading a few of your posts reguarding your first marriage, and I think we may have some similarities in our situations. And you were probably about my age when you went through it. I think that''s a hard thing for me.......Its like, I just could never have imagine being a divorcee at 24! I just feel like that''s a lot of baggage to have at such a young age, and it saddens me. But live and learn, I suppose. Make better decsions, and stay true to myself, reguardless of who walks in or out of my life. We''ll talk more later, friend.


KimberlyH and Bliss - Thanks so much. I''m trying to stay strong. And I am leaning on my family very tremendously. I''m just amazed at how they''ve really pulled together for me. I just feel so much love from them, and it absolutely warms my heart!


Geckodani - Thanks for your post. Your right - I can''t let myself give in to any guilt trips. I have to keep reminding myself of that. And I will get through. Will it be easy? No. Will it be painless? No. Will I be ok? Yes.


Choro72 and Tgal and Pocahontas - Thanks for your support my friends!


Sandiegolady - Thanks so much for your encouragement. Your such a great woman! And I admire you greatly for all that you have overcome.


Missgotrocks - Thanks for your post - I''m trying to take my time and get the professional advice that I need to make a good decision.


Princess - Thanks again. I am getting my own lawyer. I''m going to make sure that I''m protected, and that this is fair for me. Its so hard, but I just need to get over that. I''m getting stronger each day. I severed the cord that was binding me to him, and I''m not afraid anymore.


Sparkles - Thanks for the good vibes! I like good vibes!


Laraonline - Your post made me smile. My international cheer squad........I like that idea. In fact, I think if its ok with everyone, I''m taking ''yal to the appointment with the attorney Friday morning, ok?
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Pandora - I am setting the pace this time. I''m not letting him bully me anymore. I''m standing on my own 2 feet right now, and it feels pretty darn good!



A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don''t show my emotions much, when I''m around other people. I''m just very private that way. And they don''t see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I''m just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I''m the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I''m not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......
Aww, so sorry. Don''t worry about other people. Those that love you and really know you know your true colors and know that''s not true. Stay strong and I agree that this is your network and we are here for you!
 
Just checking in to see how you''re doing. What a crappy time for you, but even so it sounds like you''re handling it very well! I''m also 24, and I can imagine I would be bullied quite easily by a scary divorce lawyer. It sounds like you''ve got your head well screwed on, so kudos to you, and more congratulations for having the guts to make such a brave decision in the first place. (Can I be proud of you even though I don''t know you??
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Also ditto everything tlh said!

We''re all here for you!
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Im so sorry that you are having to go through this. I have not been through it myself, but saw what it did to my parents.
It may sound silly but everything gets better with time.
I hope that you can sort out the legal issues and get on with your life quickly.
Lots of encouragement for you!!!
 
Sparkalicious - Thanks for your positive thoughts. This is a challenging time, but PS is making it a lot easier for me right now. It truely is.

Ksinger - Ah yes......blaming myself.....I guess I''ve done plenty of that throughout the 6 1/2 years of our relationship. Our problems were me.......now I''m breaking out of this emotional stronghold, to see that, yes I do have some of my own issues, but this wasn''t on me. Yes I made the break, but because I wasn''t happy, and the relationship was not a good one. You have some very sound advice. And especially about the part about rushing off to another relationship. If anything, I want to reconnect with friends. Male and female. If I happen to find someone that I think is interesting, I''m focusing on keeping it very light hearted for some time. And mainly focusing on me. Whenever I''m ready for a relationship, it has to be someone that totally accepts me for me. But that''s a ways off. Right now, I just need to heal, and get some clarity. I have set up some counseling appointments for myself to help me sort through this mental mess, to help me put words to what I''m experiencing. And what I''ve been through. What is it? I don''t know. I need someone to guide me through this past to get it in the past, so I can form a positive future.

Crystalheart1 - Thank you for your words of wisdom. I like the idea of a mantra. That would be good for me. Thank you.

Ellen, Adis, and Lorelei - Thank you, friends, for the encouragment. Its all been very strengthening for me!!

Alleycat - Thanks dear - my chin is up! (at least it is right now)

Starset Princess - Thanks for the post. Your right - a new chapter will begin. Actually, its already beginning. And ya know, when I finally got those words out - that it''s over - I had to try to hide my face from smiling, because I felt this big burden just jump off my shoulders. I felt such relief. It was amazing. And reguardless of how many mixed emotions I''m feeling, I don''t feel like taking my decsision back. I made the RIGHT choice!

777 LDY - I do need someone professional on my side. And I have an appt on Friday. Let''s hope she leaves a good impression with me, because I don''t feel like I have the energy to do this extenisve lawyer search......A friend strongly recomended her, so cross your fingers.

Italia - I like your attitude. Your post made me chuckle. And that''s kind of the attitude I''m attaining right now.

Loves Vintage - thanks for the advice. And that''s why I HAVE to have some legal counsel. His business affairs are much to complicated to do this on my own. Or to trust his attorney.

Gemgirl - Thanks for you positive wishes and prayers!
 
Date: 1/14/2009 10:56:56 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
You need an attorney! Don''t even talk to him anymore until you have amazing repersenation. He''s not fighting fair...if Wisconsin splits things 50/50 then you''re going to get something, for him to tell you otherwise is wishful thinking on his part ... and if he''s in such a mad dash to get these properties, then tell him you''ll move forward with that as if you were husband and wife, but you''re not signing anything divorce related until you better understand the situation. Period.
The unfortunate part of this, is that I''m afraid I will get something. His debts. Because its coming out that he has ALOT more debt than I ever imagined. And I''m afraid there''s not enough equity to cover it. Not sure though. He hasn''t given me a financial disclosure sheet (which his divorce papers that he wanted me to sign, said that I did)
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D2B - Thanks for your post. I will let him bully me no more. I can see that shiny future just over the horizon!
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Decodelighted - Your posts are oh so amusing! And I do believe your right. This will probably be one of the best things that could happen to me. I hope so. I''m calling the shots now. He''s the one that''s desperate. And I''m in the drivers seat. And the locks are being changed tonight. Just to be safe. Thanks for your thoughts hon!

Tacori - Thanks for posting. I appreciate your positive wishes!!

Vespergirl - Thanks for your thoughts. Its good to hear that you came out on the otherside and got your happyending, so to speak. That''s encouraging to me. Good for you!!
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Monarch64 - I will head over to WW and check out your story when I have the chance. I wish you the best in your situation. Hopefully you can work through it soon, so you can move on and start the healing. Its great to hear that your happy without him though. Empowering, isn''t it?

Clio and Pennquaker09 - Thanks for encouragment!!!

Alleycat - Yes. This is a big pile of poop. Indeed, it is. Best get myself a pooperscooper.

Rockzilla - Thanks for your post. It is easy to want to rush through and just git r done, but I''m trying to slow down, and not give in to the pressure. Thankfully my family is helping me with that bigtime!!!!

2Artists - Thanks for your advice. Something positive everyday. Yes - I shall try to find that.
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Very wise words.

Bia - Thanks for posting. Glad to know you guys are here for me!

JSM - Thank you so very much for posting. Your kind words are very touching to me.
 
Glad to hear that you are in the drivers seat. You hold the cards now. Let us know what the Lawyer has to say on Friday.

I am also glad to hear you are getting the locks changed, smart move.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 2:17:53 PM
Author: joflier


A lot of people think that this is easy for me because I don't show my emotions much, when I'm around other people. I'm just very private that way. And they don't see me all devastated and crawling in a corner to die, so they assume that I'm just fine, and not hurting at all. After all, I'm the one who made the decsicion to leave. And then their saying that I must have someone on the side if I'm not all broken up and emotional. That hurts. But I suppose people will believe whatever they want to help them cope, even if its not true......
Jo - I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this. I went through a terrible, gut-wrenching divorce 4 years ago and I know how much you must be hurting. I was in a slightly similar position to you (only a bit more positive) where people kept saying how well I was holding up and how stong I was, and all I could think was how if they only knew about the hole in my heart that physically hurt and how I felt like I'd never get over it, they might not say those things. I'm very private with my non-happy emotions and couldn't imagine walking around letting all my depression, anger, and sadness out for everyone to see, but to others that appeared that I was "strong". I thought of it more as a defense mechanism - if I didn't do that, I would have been a constant, blubbering mess.

Anyway, please don't do anything with the divorce until you've talked to your lawyer. Don't let him off the hook for anything - even if it means getting things settled quicker. That's what I did and I regret it to this day - he got the house, 2 cars, all the furniture, everything. I got my clothes, my 13" tv from college, my pre-marriage possesions, my dishes, and my down comforter - that's it. I should have taken more, but I was trying to make things easy and quick and it was completely stupid of me.

If you need to talk ever, I'm available. I know it seems like your whole world is turned upside down, but it will get better over time. My only piece of advice is to really take your time, don't jump into ANYTHING post-divorce too quickly - whether it's a new job, a new house, or a new relationship. Take your time to learn who YOU are and what you like and want out of life on your own. Live life for yourself and be selfish for a while.
 
Sorry you are going through this. Although the PS community seems like a safe place to discuss and vent keep in mind that it is public. Don''t disclose too much information about your future plans for your own safety and privacy.

I hope you get through this difficult time quickly. You have a lot of life ahead of you.
 
My first husband was controlling and abusive. Our divorce was very difficult. It''s important to be strong and advocate for yourself. You will come out of this for the better. Please know that we are all here to support you and listen to whatever you wish to share.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 11:17:25 AM
Author: neatfreak
I cannot agree with Italia more. This man is doing something very shady here and I don''t like it one bit. He''s trying to threaten you to sign papers that he claims are in your best interests? No way. I wouldn''t touch them with a 10 foot pole until you talk to a pitbull of an attorney.

I totally agree. Do not talk to him anymore without having an attorney with you. He is threatening you and that is not right. Sending hugs and stay safe and do not let him get away with anything.
 
Date: 1/14/2009 5:03:45 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Glad to hear that you are in the drivers seat. You hold the cards now. Let us know what the Lawyer has to say on Friday.

I am also glad to hear you are getting the locks changed, smart move.
Ditto! Maybe get a new phone number, too???!!!

I am terribly sorry to hear what you are going through. You''ve been given good advice already, but I''ll just reinforce again, do not ever go to his lawyer''s office unless you have your attorney with you. Better yet, I''d let the two attorneys hash it out so you can avoid seeing him at all.

{{{{BIG hugs!!}}}} Take care.
 
tlh - I think I''ll trade for Ben & Jerry''s .
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Meanie pants in hand! Love your advice! Very good!

Dreamgirl - Thanks for your support!

Steel - Too true. This is beginning my life at the beginning. That''s how I''m trying to see it, anyways.

Freke - Thanks for posting. I''m going to check out the link and see what I find. In a lot of ways, we''ve basically kept our financials seperate from the get-go, but because WI is purely 50/50 unless an agreement is reached, that''s where it gets fuzzy. The one thing that''s interesting is this divorce agreement that he wanted me to sign yesterday - the first paragraph says that we''ve received and reveiwed each others financial disclosure statements......Hmmm......I can''t seem to find his. Thanks for the good wishes!

Poshpepper - Thanks for the encouragement. And no, I don''t think its silly, everything truely does get better in time. I''ve already experienced that many times in my short 24 years.

Swinggirl - Sound advice! Thank you!

Risingsun - Thanks for your support. I''m so sorry that you''ve had to go through this as well. I don''t think there''s any better feeling than when you suddenly wake up and take charge of your own destiny.

bee* - Thanks for the hugs so so much!!

Diamondseeker - Thanks for your thoughts and well wishes! This will all work out, I know!!
 
I am so sorry. It is never easy, even if you were the one to make the decision (actually sometimes that is the harder position to be in).
Hugs to you.
Please be careful when signing anything your ex is wanting, ditto all the above excellent advice re: getting a good lawyer, etc.
You WILL pull through this, stronger and happier than ever!
 
Good luck joflier...sounds like this is the best decision for you for sure.

And I''m with everyone else-don''t even talk to him without consulting your own badass attorney! You''ll get through this-I can tell you''re stronger than he thinks you are. So don''t let him try to take advantage of you!
 
Joflier~It didn''t happen right away, but I did remarry a wonderful man, who treats me with love and respect. We have been married for for 14 years now. Don''t rush into to anything and learn to be your own person...as I''m sure you are doing. You will see much better times ahead because you are truly worth it!
 
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