May 1st Planned City Shutdowns...

[movie zombie]

for the $$$ being spent in iraq [and its hidden costs] we could have health care for everyone and still have $$$ left over.....btw, anyone remember wolfowitz saying we wouldn''t be out much $$$ because the iraqi oil fields would pay for everything?! [see McClatchy Newspapers May 2, 2006 article by James Rosen here: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8526.shtml ]

movie zombie

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 5/2/2006 5:22:03 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 5/2/2006 2:55:32 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
i would much rather see these medical bill money spent on the elderly americans health care.

That''s where we differ. I would prefer to see both elderly Americans and pregnant women get health care and end the war in Iraq.

American citizens'' welfare, security and health should be our first responsibility and priority. And as altruistic as we Americans want to be, the United States cannot be responsible for all the world''s poor. Importing poverty is not a good idea. I am engaged to be married later this year. If and when we choose to start a family, we will have to move out of Southern California because educating our children in the Los Angeles area is an impossibility.

 

[Dancing Fire]

what a JOKE!!!

these people had already broken the law and now trying to blackmail the U.S. government.

i''m so mad

that i''m thinking about calling my congressman.

 

[MINE!!]

Date: 5/1/2006 10:36:27 PM
Author: tawn

Date: 5/1/2006 8:27:06 PM
Author: colormyworld
Most illeglas are renting as far as I can tell and I''m pretty sure property taxes are included in the rent they pay each month. So it would seem as though they are helping to defray the cost of educating their children.

How many kids are getting a good education when you have 30 kids to a teacher, and only half speak english? I know that''s an issue here in San Diego, living so close to Mexico...and also in Central Washington State where there was a huge Russian population surge in the last few years.

So, then it becomes an issue of hiring extra teachers that are bilingual and textbooks, etc... It all seems simple, but it''s like peeling back the layers of an onion. If they''re here legally, they should have these things provided for them.

But, if they''re not here legally...why should the children who are, receive less of an education because of it?

I am in Agreement 1000% Tawn.. Amen....

 

[colormyworld]

I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

" I would prefer to see both elderly Americans and pregnant women get health care and end the war in Iraq."

I am sure that as soon as the elderly Americans and pregnant women get their health care they''ll get right on the war problem.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

"I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see. "

The issue is whether or not people come here legally.

How is anyone blaming Mexicans for the ills of America? I have nothing against hard working people from anywhere who want to come here and work, legally. Would you favor open borders and allow anyone from anywhere to come here if they are willing to work?

 

[colormyworld]

If that is the only reason for comming here. I would have to say yes.

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:06:13 PM
Author: colormyworld
I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see.

agreed.


movie zombie

 

[sunkist]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:29:39 PM
Author: Mr Majestyk
''I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see. ''


The issue is whether or not people come here legally.


How is anyone blaming Mexicans for the ills of America? I have nothing against hard working people from anywhere who want to come here and work, legally. Would you favor open borders and allow anyone from anywhere to come here if they are willing to work?

There are many things wrong with our society today. I can see it going down hill everyday more and more and it scares me. Many of ills of society probably have nothing to do with illegal aliens, but that is no reason to say they are blameless of everything! The problems that illegals are causing us are very real. They are crowding our schools, taking money away from our children''s educations, taking jobs away from citizens, crowding our streets with uninsured drivers! Yesterday during the "boycott", the impact that I heard most talked about was how little traffic there was on the freeways and roads. It was amazing! No traffic going to work! And how much money is CA planning on spending to update our state infrastructure?! Are we being forced to spend all of this money because of illegals?? This is a crazy and upside-down world.

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:06:13 PM
Author: colormyworld
I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see.

I agree that the majority of illegal immigrants of all races are hardworking people who just want a better life for themselves and their families. I also wasn''t aware of any disparinging comments about any particular racial group in this conversation, for which I''m extremely relieved since I had reservations about this being a constructive discussion! Phew...

But, IMHO just because someone has a dream, however noble, doesn''t give them the right to break laws to achieve it.

Personally, I think it''s a problem with Governments policies that have created the current situation.

But, (again

) if there weren''t any people entering the country illegally, or US companies hiring them illegally...there would be no problem, or anyone looking for someone to lay the blame on.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 5/2/2006 7:13:10 PM
Author: LAJennifer
Importing poverty is not a good idea.

No? I am glad you had no say in immigration policies during the Irish potato famine.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:26:35 PM
Author: Mr Majestyk
I am sure that as soon as the elderly Americans and pregnant women get their health care they''ll get right on the war problem.

They''ll get on it before Bush does, whether you give them health care or not. The American people often have to let their "leaders" know where they stand before the "leaders" get a clue. A decade of demonstrations made even Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon know that we wanted out of Vietnam. The same will happen in Iraq. Iraq is in cinders and Bush is toast.

 

[colormyworld]

ding ding ding ding The problem at last

 

[rainbowtrout]

So, my big problem with the immigration debate is how quickly it can turn into racist rhetoric. It takes about a minute to go from "poverty" to "stupid, lazy, non-contributing, etc" I'm not saying people on this thread are doing it, necessarily, but that it happens very easily.

MZ is right that similar rhetoric has been used against every new group of poor immigrants. No one liked it when people came after WWII, no one was fond of the Italian immigrants, etc. The differance I think is that our immegration policy has become ten times more restrictive than our reality...it's an excuse for big business to not have to pay working wages.

I agree that we should criminalize the companies.


While I can see some of ABGF's points, I do think that "give me your tired, hungry, masses" only works until the population in a country hits critical mass. Where that point is I have no idea. But I am worried that this latest group of immigrants seems to be having much more trouble acculturating--perhaps because we are willing to use Spanish in schools? We never used Italian, Chinese or German. I do think that while new immigrants may feel that they lose some of their culture by giving up their language, there are ways to keep ones heritage alive and find a happy medium.

I also don't think there is a problem with actively recruiting the best and the brightest from other nations--right now we seem to be driving out own scientists out, but that's another story.

ETA: I also think it is hard to say how much money they "take away" vs how much they earn in labor--I haven't seen anyone agree about these numbers or even offer hard data, probably bc it is so hard to collect.

 

[sunkist]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:57:10 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 5/2/2006 8:26:35 PM

Author: Mr Majestyk

I am sure that as soon as the elderly Americans and pregnant women get their health care they''ll get right on the war problem.

They''ll get on it before Bush does, whether you give them health care or not. The American people often have to let their ''leaders'' know where they stand before the ''leaders'' get a clue. A decade of demonstrations made even Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon know that we wanted out of Vietnam. The same will happen in Iraq. Iraq is in cinders and Bush is toast.

I''m not behind you on the war issue, AGBF; I support our efforts over there. However on this Illegal immigrations issue, I hope that your speculations are true! Because what I have been hearing is that the American citizens do not want illegals to be awarded free citizenship and be awarded for breaking laws. It is our government leaders that are betraying us and leading them in! So when are our leaders going to "get a clue" and realize we don''t want to spend our hard earned money on supporting illegal aliens? Hmm?

 

[sunkist]

Date: 5/2/2006 9:06:57 PM
Author: rainbowtrout

I agree that we should criminalize the companies.

Ya, I agree with this too. It is supply and demand perhaps. Still, there are no excuses for breaking laws on either side.

 

[rainbowtrout]

I''m also not sure how much of the CA school system''s problem is immigrants and how much is terrible money waste, corruption, and overly liberalized education policy. We''ve also sunk most of the state''s money into the UC system, so little is left over for high schools. Seriously, my brother''s high school feels like a demilitarized zone.

 

[tawn]

I don''t think anyone has mentioned that not all of the illegal immigrants are hard-working people chasing the dreams for a better life...so a quick story about 2 of the non-hardworking illegal aliens.

Vehicle theft is a HUGE issue where we live, being only 15 minutes from the US/Mexico border. A guy my husband works with had his vehicle stolen last year, and had just gotten a new one when he got held up at gunpoint. He was so frustrated that he told them to forget it and wouldn''t give them the keys.

They got into an altercation and they shot him, fortunately only hitting him in the leg although he''s missing a pretty fair chunk (7"long-4"wide scooped out scar that almost looks like a burn), which I got to see when he and my husband did physical therapy together. He got the gun away from the guy and killed him, and shot and wounded the other guy who remains unidentified. The one he killed was an illegal immigrant with an extremely long violent criminal record. If my husband''s friend wasn''t the total badass that he is (although he looks like an innocent farmboy from Iowa), the story could have had an even worse ending.

There isn''t a night that goes by that our local San Diego News doesn''t report crimes involving illegal immigrants, issues with border crime, including drugs, weapons, and more hideous things like human trafficking which seems to be really prevalant lately. Or car crashes with 20-30 packed into one vehicle that lose control from being chased, and hit other vehicles and kill other innocent families on the roads. I think that some of these uglier issues add to the frustration that some of law-abiding American Residents are experiencing.

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 5/2/2006 8:49:53 PM
Author: tawn

Date: 5/2/2006 8:06:13 PM
Author: colormyworld
I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see.

I agree that the majority of illegal immigrants of all races are hardworking people who just want a better life for themselves and their families. I also wasn''t aware of any disparinging comments about any particular racial group in this conversation, for which I''m extremely relieved since I had reservations about this being a constructive discussion! Phew...

But, IMHO just because someone has a dream, however noble, doesn''t give them the right to break laws to achieve it.

Personally, I think it''s a problem with Governments policies that have created the current situation.

But, (again

) if there weren''t any people entering the country illegally, or US companies hiring them illegally...there would be no problem, or anyone looking for someone to lay the blame on.

geez, i wish someone would tell bush and his administration this!

movie zombie

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 5/2/2006 9:19:31 PM
Author: tawn
I don''t think anyone has mentioned that not all of the illegal immigrants are hard-working people chasing the dreams for a better life...so a quick story about 2 of the non-hardworking illegal aliens.

Vehicle theft is a HUGE issue where we live, being only 15 minutes from the US/Mexico border. A guy my husband works with had his vehicle stolen last year, and had just gotten a new one when he got held up at gunpoint. He was so frustrated that he told them to forget it and wouldn''t give them the keys.

They got into an altercation and they shot him, fortunately only hitting him in the leg although he''s missing a pretty fair chunk (7''long-4''wide scooped out scar that almost looks like a burn), which I got to see when he and my husband did physical therapy together. He got the gun away from the guy and killed him, and shot and wounded the other guy who remains unidentified. The one he killed was an illegal immigrant with an extremely long violent criminal record. If my husband''s friend wasn''t the total badass that he is (although he looks like an innocent farmboy from Iowa), the story could have had an even worse ending.

There isn''t a night that goes by that our local San Diego News doesn''t report crimes involving illegal immigrants, issues with border crime, including drugs, weapons, and more hideous things like human trafficking which seems to be really prevalant lately. Or car crashes with 20-30 packed into one vehicle that lose control from being chased, and hit other vehicles and kill other innocent families on the roads. I think that some of these uglier issues add to the frustration that some of law-abiding American Residents are experiencing.

i think this is very very true. however, it was also true with every immigrant group that has come to this country. on a less serious level, prohibition came about in part because of a backlash against immigration: those irish, those italians, those western and eastern europeans who drank! and they drank on their day off on sunday! how immoral was the hue and cry of the day.

US citizens have a right to be concerned about crime....by immigrants and our own US citizens. but failing to look at the economics of immigration that make it profitable in this country to have illegal immigrants as well as to fail to seek the reasons for said immigration in the first place is to fail to understand the larger picture. to think that immigrants want to leave their families behind, perhaps never to see them again, to work in conditions that are usually considered illegal if a US citizen were to do the job, work all day and perhaps have the employer short change you on wages or not pay you at all, or even die in an attempt to get here, that this is all fun for them, is to fail to grasp the reason the majority of people come here. it is not a black and white issue but one with many shades of gray.

the really good thing about this issue is that people are tallking, not just here on pricescope but everywhere.

movie zombie

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/2/2006 11:10:57 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 5/2/2006 8:49:53 PM
Author: tawn

Date: 5/2/2006 8:06:13 PM
Author: colormyworld
I think those disparaging the hard working, people from Mexico are looking for a scapegoat. Somebody to blame the ills of America caused by a problem they refuse to see.

I agree that the majority of illegal immigrants of all races are hardworking people who just want a better life for themselves and their families. I also wasn''t aware of any disparinging comments about any particular racial group in this conversation, for which I''m extremely relieved since I had reservations about this being a constructive discussion! Phew...

But, IMHO just because someone has a dream, however noble, doesn''t give them the right to break laws to achieve it.

Personally, I think it''s a problem with Governments policies that have created the current situation.

But, (again

) if there weren''t any people entering the country illegally, or US companies hiring them illegally...there would be no problem, or anyone looking for someone to lay the blame on.

geez, i wish someone would tell bush and his administration this!

movie zombie

Bwaahahaha...I''d tell him if he would listen!! It would keep my husband home safe and sound!

Which reminds me of a Bush story! Back in the day, when he had dealings with the baseball team in Texas, he helped my friend get her Green Card. Her husband was a dual citizen, and he played ball for the team. She was having trouble coming to see him, and Mr. Bush pulled some strings and got it figured out for her! I do believe that his Papa may have been President then...

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/2/2006 11:23:54 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 5/2/2006 9:19:31 PM
Author: tawn
I don''t think anyone has mentioned that not all of the illegal immigrants are hard-working people chasing the dreams for a better life...so a quick story about 2 of the non-hardworking illegal aliens.

Vehicle theft is a HUGE issue where we live, being only 15 minutes from the US/Mexico border. A guy my husband works with had his vehicle stolen last year, and had just gotten a new one when he got held up at gunpoint. He was so frustrated that he told them to forget it and wouldn''t give them the keys.

They got into an altercation and they shot him, fortunately only hitting him in the leg although he''s missing a pretty fair chunk (7''long-4''wide scooped out scar that almost looks like a burn), which I got to see when he and my husband did physical therapy together. He got the gun away from the guy and killed him, and shot and wounded the other guy who remains unidentified. The one he killed was an illegal immigrant with an extremely long violent criminal record. If my husband''s friend wasn''t the total badass that he is (although he looks like an innocent farmboy from Iowa), the story could have had an even worse ending.

There isn''t a night that goes by that our local San Diego News doesn''t report crimes involving illegal immigrants, issues with border crime, including drugs, weapons, and more hideous things like human trafficking which seems to be really prevalant lately. Or car crashes with 20-30 packed into one vehicle that lose control from being chased, and hit other vehicles and kill other innocent families on the roads. I think that some of these uglier issues add to the frustration that some of law-abiding American Residents are experiencing.

i think this is very very true. however, it was also true with every immigrant group that has come to this country. on a less serious level, prohibition came about in part because of a backlash against immigration: those irish, those italians, those western and eastern europeans who drank! and they drank on their day off on sunday! how immoral was the hue and cry of the day.

US citizens have a right to be concerned about crime....by immigrants and our own US citizens. but failing to look at the economics of immigration that make it profitable in this country to have illegal immigrants as well as to fail to seek the reasons for said immigration in the first place is to fail to understand the larger picture. to think that immigrants want to leave their families behind, perhaps never to see them again, to work in conditions that are usually considered illegal if a US citizen were to do the job, work all day and perhaps have the employer short change you on wages or not pay you at all, or even die in an attempt to get here, that this is all fun for them, is to fail to grasp the reason the majority of people come here. it is not a black and white issue but one with many shades of gray.

the really good thing about this issue is that people are tallking, not just here on pricescope but everywhere.

movie zombie

It''s a huge mess isn''t it, like trying to untangle fishing line? And, I think it''s been a tangle for a long long time...probably because there is no simple solution that applies to all of the issues that have branched out from it. Change is needed, and hopefully it will be change for the positive!

I''m all for Immigration...but still think it''s important to follow the laws of the country to you want to get in to! The situation wouldn''t be as volatile if there weren''t an estimated 1/2 a million illegal immigrants entering the country each year! That''s going to add up fast! I found this quote from http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html :

Each year there are approximately 4 million births in the U.S. and 2.4 million deaths.24, 25 The growth due to natural increase (total births minus deaths) is therefore 1.6 million per year. Yet according to the Census Bureau''s decennial census, U.S. population is growing by approximately 3.3 million per year.26

 

[ForteKitty]

Driving was awesome yesterday. It only took me 30 minutes to get from downtown L.A. to the Arrowhead Pond in Anaheim, and i had plenty of time to get food before my Ducks game. (Go Ducks!) Normally I''d be stuck in traffic for 2 hours.

Seriously now...

for the people who are all for making every illegal immigrant "legal", have you ever been to S. California? Have you ever visited a County Hospital? Ever spoken to a Child Support Services Officer regarding child support and welfare abuse? Ever seen the slums of L.A., such as Walnut Park, Athens, Firestone, and Belvedere? (all in unincorporated L.A., near Compton and Watts) Ever been hit by a driver who was an illegal immigrant w/ no insurance, get injured, and have your own insurance increase?

Our tax dollars service more illegal immigrants than you can imagine. I have personally worked with and spoken to other people who work first hand with illegal immigrants, and I have seen how much money pours out of our funds. It pours out of every possible nook and cranny, and it adds up fast. I knew people in high school whose parents had anywhere from 7 to 13 kids... kid after kid... just so they can continue to collect welfare for them. I''m not exaggerating either. If it wasn''t Confidential, I''d actually post all of the details. Point is, it''s unfair. Why should my tax dollars pay for them, when my high school ceilings are falling off and leaking?

Now, before someone calls me a bigot, I''m not. I just oppose people who come to this country illegally. My grandparents legally migrated here from Taiwan 30 years ago, after a long process and a 12-year waitlist. Kinda unfair that someone can just come here and get citizenship w/o the wait. Worst of all, I''m tired of the expectation that things should be handed over on a platter. You want it, wait in line like everyone else. No cutting.

 

[Dancing Fire]

tell them FK!!!

i can't think of one good reason that they deserve a FREE pass,not one!!!

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 5/2/2006 11:53:13 PM
Author: tawn

It''s a huge mess isn''t it, like trying to untangle fishing line? And, I think it''s been a tangle for a long long time...probably because there is no simple solution that applies to all of the issues that have branched out from it. Change is needed, and hopefully it will be change for the positive!

I''m all for Immigration...but still think it''s important to follow the laws of the country to you want to get in to! The situation wouldn''t be as volatile if there weren''t an estimated 1/2 a million illegal immigrants entering the country each year! That''s going to add up fast! I found this quote from http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html :

Each year there are approximately 4 million births in the U.S. and 2.4 million deaths.24, 25 The growth due to natural increase (total births minus deaths) is therefore 1.6 million per year. Yet according to the Census Bureau''s decennial census, U.S. population is growing by approximately 3.3 million per year.26

best description of it i''ve seen! i agree change is needed.....just not sure that we might agree with what is a ''positive'' change. the example of bush boy getting a pass through the system for your friend is an example of what is wrong with the system: she didn''t have to follow the rules but every other immigrant is expected to?! geez.... nothing against you or your friend

don''t trust those numbers: other numbers say that once baby boomers start pushing up tulips the country will be under populated and we''ll be doing everything in our power to get those immigrants here.

we can''t win for losing, can we?!

movie zombie

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/3/2006 12:02:10 AM
Author: ForteKitty
Driving was awesome yesterday. It only took me 30 minutes to get from downtown L.A. to the Arrowhead Pond in Anaheim, and i had plenty of time to get food before my Ducks game. (Go Ducks!) Normally I''d be stuck in traffic for 2 hours.

Seriously now...

for the people who are all for making every illegal immigrant ''legal'', have you ever been to S. California? Have you ever visited a County Hospital? Ever spoken to a Child Support Services Officer regarding child support and welfare abuse? Ever seen the slums of L.A., such as Walnut Park, Athens, Firestone, and Belvedere? (all in unincorporated L.A., near Compton and Watts) Ever been hit by a driver who was an illegal immigrant w/ no insurance, get injured, and have your own insurance increase?

Our tax dollars service more illegal immigrants than you can imagine. I have personally worked with and spoken to other people who work first hand with illegal immigrants, and I have seen how much money pours out of our funds. It pours out of every possible nook and cranny, and it adds up fast. I knew people in high school whose parents had anywhere from 7 to 13 kids... kid after kid... just so they can continue to collect welfare for them. I''m not exaggerating either. If it wasn''t Confidential, I''d actually post all of the details. Point is, it''s unfair. Why should my tax dollars pay for them, when my high school ceilings are falling off and leaking?

Now, before someone calls me a bigot, I''m not. I just oppose people who come to this country illegally. My grandparents legally migrated here from Taiwan 30 years ago, after a long process and a 12-year waitlist. Kinda unfair that someone can just come here and get citizenship w/o the wait. Worst of all, I''m tired of the expectation that things should be handed over on a platter. You want it, wait in line like everyone else. No cutting.

I agree wholeheartedly that where you live probably makes you more aware of certain issues. I went to a John Cougar Mellancamp concert this summer, and he talked about Farm Aid, and why we pay $3 for a gallon of milk, government subsidies etc...and I didn''t have a clue what the heck he was talking about. But, if I lived in farm country I''d probably be more aware!

However, I live in So Cal, and I know what I see on the news, in our schools, on the roads...

Actually, at the beginning of this discussion, several people weren''t aware of theMay 1st rally. Where, here in SD, it was huge news, preceded by weeks and weeks of protests!

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/3/2006 1:21:51 AM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 5/2/2006 11:53:13 PM
Author: tawn

It''s a huge mess isn''t it, like trying to untangle fishing line? And, I think it''s been a tangle for a long long time...probably because there is no simple solution that applies to all of the issues that have branched out from it. Change is needed, and hopefully it will be change for the positive!

I''m all for Immigration...but still think it''s important to follow the laws of the country to you want to get in to! The situation wouldn''t be as volatile if there weren''t an estimated 1/2 a million illegal immigrants entering the country each year! That''s going to add up fast! I found this quote from http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html :

Each year there are approximately 4 million births in the U.S. and 2.4 million deaths.24, 25 The growth due to natural increase (total births minus deaths) is therefore 1.6 million per year. Yet according to the Census Bureau''s decennial census, U.S. population is growing by approximately 3.3 million per year.26

best description of it i''ve seen! i agree change is needed.....just not sure that we might agree with what is a ''positive'' change. the example of bush boy getting a pass through the system for your friend is an example of what is wrong with the system: she didn''t have to follow the rules but every other immigrant is expected to?! geez.... nothing against you or your friend

don''t trust those numbers: other numbers say that once baby boomers start pushing up tulips the country will be under populated and we''ll be doing everything in our power to get those immigrants here.

we can''t win for losing, can we?!

movie zombie

That was probably 10-12 years ago when I think it was significantly easier to get a green card then...but, I agree that the system sure isn''t fair!

But, life is never fair! It''s messy...and we all need to just damn well accept that fact that we''re never in full control!

My little piece of wisdom for the day!

 

[ForteKitty]

Date: 5/3/2006 3:08:57 AM
Author: tawn

Actually, at the beginning of this discussion, several people weren''t aware of theMay 1st rally. Where, here in SD, it was huge news, preceded by weeks and weeks of protests!

Well, it''s probably not an issue in many other states, so i don''t blame them for not knowing. My friend in Hawaii had no idea what was going on either.

The first round of protests actually pissed me off beyond belief. I''m sorry, but nobody should be screaming "F^*! the U.S." in any kind of rally while holding up flags from other countries. Anyone who really feels that strongly should just leave.

off topic, but i miss San Diego so much! I lived in La Jolla for a few years, and the lifestyle is just so different down there. So laid back. Everything in L.A. is so "GRRRRR".... i miss the peacefulness!

 

[tawn]

Date: 5/3/2006 3:44:47 AM
Author: ForteKitty

Date: 5/3/2006 3:08:57 AM
Author: tawn

Actually, at the beginning of this discussion, several people weren''t aware of theMay 1st rally. Where, here in SD, it was huge news, preceded by weeks and weeks of protests!

Well, it''s probably not an issue in many other states, so i don''t blame them for not knowing. My friend in Hawaii had no idea what was going on either.

The first round of protests actually pissed me off beyond belief. I''m sorry, but nobody should be screaming ''F^*! the U.S.'' in any kind of rally while holding up flags from other countries. Anyone who really feels that strongly should just leave.

off topic, but i miss San Diego so much! I lived in La Jolla for a few years, and the lifestyle is just so different down there. So laid back. Everything in L.A. is so ''GRRRRR''.... i miss the peacefulness!

I''ll treat you to Starbucks anytime you want to come down! It''s a pretty laid back city, but the protesting over the last month has freaked me out a little, although the violence has been fairly minor so far.

La Jolla is so lovely...I live in Coronado, and it''s so beautiful this time of the year!