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Ha! Bobby's sources! I knew it! ;)) I spent about 17 years today online looking for other photos of Charlene's ring too -- and came up with the one you did from Monaco National Day. And another below, not very good quality, from the same day. So they took the photo first, eh? Not very bright. Oh well, now we know the story. The Tatler photos are so photoshopped, they don't even look like her. Darned silly, she's pretty as it is.

-- Laurie

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tourmaline_lover|1294955508|2822043 said:
I was researching a bit on the Japanese Royal family, and came across this photo of Empress Teimei (Hirohito's mother). She is wearing many fine jewels and a small tiara here. Does anyone know any history on these pieces?
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I have first seen this tiara on Empress Shōken.She wore it with large diamond stars on top (1st photo). It has been worn by all Empresses after her, with the stars changed to solitaire round diamonds.
Here are some photos:

To be continued...

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JewelFreak|1294958967|2822100 said:
Ha! Bobby's sources! I knew it! ;)) I spent about 17 years today online looking for other photos of Charlene's ring too -- and came up with the one you did from Monaco National Day. And another below, not very good quality, from the same day. So they took the photo first, eh? Not very bright. Oh well, now we know the story. The Tatler photos are so photoshopped, they don't even look like her. Darned silly, she's pretty as it is.

-- Laurie
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LOL! You've spent 17 years just in one day?!? OMG! Do you have a time machine? :D
I also spend quite a few hours today looking for a photo of Clotilde with her ring.

Anyway, lets go back on topic. I can't remeber if that's been posted here before, but here's a plear photo of Charlene's engagement ring:

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A picture of Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia and Clotilde during their engagement in 2003:

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There isn't much info about the Japanese RF's jewels. They don't wear lots of them as European royals do & there are conflicting reports as to whether or not they own or ever did own much. MacArthur had Hirohito's wealth sequestered (I guess that means he confiscated it) when he agreed to allow Hirohito to stay on the throne; at the same time many of the Imperial family members were taken off the royalty rolls. Some of the jewelry may have been split up among them.

But there may not ever have been much of it. Only 3 items are considered Crown Jewels & used in the coronation ceremonies: a sword, a jewel & a mirror; these are not on display. So no crowns, scepters, rings, badges, etc.

Japan was isolated from the world until the mid-19th century. Kimonos don't lend themselves to jewelry -- I don't think women wore gems a lot before the country opened up to foreigners. A little different from other Asian countries such as Thailand, where the royals were renowned for their magnificent stones. (But many were mined in that area, not so in Japan beyond pearls.) Certainly the empress's tiaras look somewhat Victorian in style. The Japanese economy was decimated by WWII & in the following several decades of rebuilding, the RF may have felt buying jewelry wasn't good p.r. Or they may not be especially interested in it.

Also -- re Princess Sayako: she did lose her royal income when she married a commoner but received a dowry worth about $1.2 million at the time of her wedding. She doesn't appear w/the family at official functions, though she does visit them regularly. Also found that the Crown Princess does get out -- some impatience with her among the population as she has been seen at Mexican, French & other expensive restaurants apparently enjoying herself but then too ill to do ceremonial duties.

A photo of the Empress looking very nice in some diamond finery.

--- Laurie

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purplesilk|1294961104|2822140 said:
A picture of Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia and Clotilde during their engagement in 2003:
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Yow, he was a hottie! (Sorry but jewels come in all varieties.)

--- Laurie
 
This one is precious! Thank you so very much, purplesilk!

Bobby
 
JewelFreak|1294961338|2822146 said:
Yow, he was a hottie! (Sorry but jewels come in all varieties.)

--- Laurie
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Agree! They're both quite good looking, actually. But from your (female) persoective it's understandable that you'd pick him ;)


And here are some semi-naked photos of the couple (although I don't think it's very royal-like)*. The Prince has interesting tats.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/107713183/Contour-By-Getty-Images
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http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/107712916/Contour-By-Getty-Images

*I'm posting these photos only because I know we've posted photos of semi-naked royals here before (Kiril of Bulgaria & Haakon of Norway)

Bobby

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Thank you Jewel Freak and Bobby for the additional information of the royal jewels (or lack of them) of Japan.

I know the Chinese Royals were decked in beautiful jewels, especially fine pearls. Would love to see some of those.
 
You're welcome, TL. I remember the guide at the Forbidden City talking about how the Chinese emperor decked out his concubines in pearls & jewels, as well as at other imperial residences around China.

And here are some semi-naked photos of the couple (although I don't think it's very royal-like)
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Not royal-like indeed, Bobby. Yuck. I'm not a tattoo fan; he looks like a truck driver. (A hot one, though.)

--- Laurie
 
For TL -- I found this beautiful necklace from the Qing Dynasty (18th Cent.) sold at Sotheby's Hong Kong in April for $8.7 million. It has 108 flawless freshwater eastern pearls w/dividers of coral beads & lapis, the gold filigree plaque inset w/chartreuse quartz cabs encircled by smaller spinel & sapphire cabochons. You can't see it in these pics but there are 2 rubellite beads suspended from it & seed pearls & turquoise beads. It was made to be worn by the emperor. Impressive, would love to see it worn.

--- Laurie

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Here are a few more beauties. Most Chinese jewelry used jade (jadeite or nephrite), saltwater pearls, gold, and enamel. Blue was the color of royalty & blue enamel often used on imperial pieces. These items are from various time periods -- workmanship is beautiful.

--- Laurie

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Just wanted to thank everyone for the warm welcome. =)

I'm very much enjoying the conversation regarding Chinese and Japanese jewels. Thanks to all of you for the interesting information and the lovely photos.

I guess we don't have a definite answer on Clotilde's ering. I certainly couldn't find one and I spent close to 17 years :bigsmile:
scouring the internet and found very little useful information.

I probably won't have much to add to the converstion except "Ooooooo pretty!" but I do appreciate being made to feel so welcome.

Shelley
 
Fascinating pictures, Laurie. Thanks!

I just want a second what others have said about the pressure put on the Japanese Crown Prince's wife. I think that's horrible. For one thing, it's not their fault if they can't have a male heir. For another, at least from my perspective, the whole thing just seems like misogyny. Why shouldn't direct descendant females be heirs? And why humiliate a man's family for something so senseless? It's too bad the powers that be (whoever they are) have these attitudes.
 
I LOVE that ring of Clothilde's, Summer. I wonder if she wears something else w/her wedding ring because the heart band one is a little difficult to wear w/a wedding band. My first thought was to wonder how you'd fit another band with that. I'd want to use it as a wedding ring & add an e-ring to it; it's too beautiful not to flash around a bit.

--- laurie
 
JewelFreak|1295007882|2822579 said:
I LOVE that ring of Clothilde's, Summer. I wonder if she wears something else w/her wedding ring because the heart band one is a little difficult to wear w/a wedding band. My first thought was to wonder how you'd fit another band with that. I'd want to use it as a wedding ring & add an e-ring to it; it's too beautiful not to flash around a bit.

--- laurie
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In most photos I saw yeasteday, she was wearing either only her wedding band or the wedding band + another ring. I agree with you that maybe she finds it a bit difficult to wear her wedding and engagement rings together.

Bobby
 
Laurie, thank you for the nice photos of Chinese jewellery. I especially liked the pearl and multi gem necklace. It made me remeber Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor. This was the first time I ever saw a man (Puyi) wearing a pearl necklace and found it very strange. Of course back then I didn't know about the Indian Maharajas and their jewels.

Here are my two photos of Chinese jewellery, which I beleieve have been posted here before (by you?):

The first one is a front view of the Ming Emperor's crown that you posted - http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee411/princeofpreslav/dsc01343.jpg?t=1295024069

The other one is the Phoenix crown of Emperor Wanli's consort Empress Xiao Duan Wen - http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee411/princeofpreslav/655598.jpg?t=1295024066

And here one can see a few more photos of Chinese Imperial jewels - http://www.flickr.com/photos/fung1981/with/3445082366/

Bobby
 
Neat, Bobby -- those babies look like little dolls. Parents look very happy.

Thanks for the photos of the Chinese things, gorgeous! I hadn't come upon that photo of the front of the imperial crown -- wow. Also to the consort's crown. A lot of gold & enamel on those, I wonder how much they weigh. If they're meant to impress (or scare) supplicants and/or foes, they do the job!

Of the other pics I especially love this one. What design & skill, amazing!

--- Laurie

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Thanks for the video link, Bobby. I tried to get a screen capture of Mary's earrings. Does anyone recognize them? I'm thinking they look like rock crystal briolettes.

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You're welcome, Fly Girl!
Isn't rocky cristal colourless?
Mary has worn the earrings before. To me they look like large pink rain drops hanging from a simple gold hook. Maybe someome can help us with the stone?
Here's a photo from a previous outing of the earrings:

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prince.of.preslav|1295042652|2822962 said:
You're welcome, Fly Girl!
Isn't rocky cristal colourless?
Mary has worn the earrings before. To me they look like large pink rain drops hanging from a simple gold hook. Maybe someome can help us with the stone?
Here's a photo from a previous outing of the earrings:

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Thank you for the better picture of the earrings, Bobby. Yes, they do look like they have a pink tinge, so they could be rose quartz. Rock crystal is colorless quartz, and rose quartz is pink quartz. Or, they could be some other pink stone.
 
They do look like rose quartz, Flygirl. Possibly moonstone, but I'd vote for quartz.

--- Laurie
 
I'd also vote for rose quartz. Mary owns a similar pair with moonstones:

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tourmaline_lover|1294887723|2821291 said:
Thank you Bobby!! Speaking of HM, Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother, has anyone seen the film "The King's Speech?" I wonder if they had any reproduction jewelry in there. I love looking at repros to see how correct they get them.

Also, speaking of rare photos, the Queen has private family photo albums that are not for public viewing. I do remember one of the photos leaked, which upset the Queen. I thought it was a delightful photo showing her a bit more human. She was in bed holding a baby prince Edward, while Anne, Charles and Andrew knelt by the side of her bed. It was very sweet.
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Hi TL!

I can't help you much as I've not seen the film (it probably won't be shown here anyway) but I've read that Helena Bonham Carter (as the Duchess of York/The Queen) is wearing a sapphire and diamond ring, which is correct as this was Lady Elizabeth B-L's ering. From various photos I've seen and the trailer I can say that she's also wearing pearl necklacse and earrings and a brooch - totally Queen Mum style. They're not a reproduction of any of her jewels though.
I've only seen one photo of "Queen Mary" where's wearing a pearl choker and two pearl ropes in addition to a small diamond and pearl tiara and long diamond and pearl earrings. Again the jewels are nice, but I don't think Queen Mary has ever worn (save for the ropes) something similar to them (the tiara for sure).
All in all, the jewels are nice but they're not reproductions of anything well-known, as what we saw in The Young Victoria or even Wallis & Edward.

Claire Bloom as Queen Mary:

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Is it just me or is Princess Grace really wearing the Taylor-Burton diamond and the accompanying necklace here? Is it possible that Dame Elizabeth lent her stunning necklace to her friend and former colleague?

Bobby

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Good catch, Bobby! Sure looks like it. E.T. is a generous friend, wouldn't be out of possibility that she lent it to Grace. Nice picture.

--- Laurie
 
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