Royal Jewels

[prince.of.preslav]

I have a question to put out here: I know Queen Elizabeth owns personal jewels separate from jewels considered to be owned by the Crown. Does anyone know if the three diamond bow brooches commissioned for Queen Victoria are part of the Queen's personal jewels? Or are they considered part of the state collection? Thanks a lot.

Patricia

As Alexander has already aswered you, the three bow brooches are part of the collection of jewels (and works of art, etc) that pass from one Sovereign to another. They are some of the few jewels that have been worn by all British Queens since Victoria.

I also have a question - are there photographs, or is it known whether Queens Alexandra and Mary have worn Queen Victoria's diamond drop earrings? And are there photos of Queen Alexandra wearing her mother-in-law's necklace with the Lahore diamond as pendant?

Bobby

 

[alexander1917]

I have a question to put out here: I know Queen Elizabeth owns personal jewels separate from jewels considered to be owned by the Crown. Does anyone know if the three diamond bow brooches commissioned for Queen Victoria are part of the Queen's personal jewels? Or are they considered part of the state collection? Thanks a lot.

Patricia

As Alexander has already aswered you, the three bow brooches are part of the collection of jewels (and works of art, etc) that pass from one Sovereign to another. They are some of the few jewels that have been worn by all British Queens since Victoria.

I also have a question - are there photographs, or is it known whether Queens Alexandra and Mary have worn Queen Victoria's diamond drop earrings? And are there photos of Queen Alexandra wearing her mother-in-law's necklace with the Lahore diamond as pendant?

Bobby

I can't remember to saw Q Alexandra with the earings or the Necklace. Q Mary wore the necklace at bottem row at her coronation. When I remember right she but the diamond drops as pendants at the Q Victoria bow brooches. you know she put many changable pendants on EVERYTHING.
Pope Hennesy wrote that K George didn't like earrings in a "grandiole" style. so she always wore studs, buttons and so one.

 

[Feeshalori]

Question to the experienced image posters: how do you upload a photo image rather than a link? I don't know the knack of copying and pasting an image here so any advice would be more than welcome.

Thanks again,

Patricia

 

[JewelFreak]

Bobby -- Q. Alexandra wore the collet necklace with the Lahore diamond at her coronation. So did Q. Mary at hers. These photos are the best I can find, though not too great. It's almost impossible to separate that necklace from the other fancies Alexandra is wearing, but many sources confirm she did wear it with the Lahore drop.

Feeshalori -- Easy to put up photos! First click Upload Attachment, below, then click Browse. You get your own computer's photo file -- double-click on the pic you want & its path will appear in the little window in front of where it says Browse. Click on Add the File. Your picture's title will appear below this space. For a 2nd pic, do it again. Click Submit as usual. NOTE: If you put in more than one & order matters, upload them in Reverse Order from how you want them to appear. This site places each new upload in front of previous ones.

--- Laurie

 

[Feeshalori]

Thanks, Laurie -

I understand how to upload pictures from my own computer file, but unfortunately don't have these images saved on my computer. I'd like to know how to import photos here that I find on the Internet, such as Getty images. I hate to keep using links.

Patricia

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Alexander, thanks for the explanation. That makes perfect sence, even more so when you have in mind that Queen Mary only started wearing dresses above the ankle after George V died. The reason? The King didn't like dresses above the ankle. I guess the same goes to earrings.
Which makes me wonder when did Queen Mary aquire her pearl and diamond pendant earrings? I think Field mentions them in her book.

And here are some interesting ways of wearing Queen Victoria's brooches and earrings together:
Queen Mary - the three bow brooches with pendants (Cullinan II and the peandants from QV's earrings) and the Koh-i-Noor in its brooch setting
Queen Mary - the sides of the cocade brooch with Willim IV's in the middle and C III as pendant; also wearing two bow brooches with QV's peandants
Queen Alexandra at the 1902 Coronation - bow brooches and emerald earrings as pendants

Bobby

 

[Feeshalori]

Ah, Bobby -

Beautiful photos - the closeup of the 3 brooches was the one I was looking for! I was trying to find a photo where QM was wearing all together. I understand that even though the bow brooches were commissioned for QV, there's no portrait/photo of her wearing them. Is that true?

Patricia

 

[alexander1917]

Alexander, thanks for the explanation. That makes perfect sence, even more so when you have in mind that Queen Mary only started wearing dresses above the ankle after George V died. The reason? The King didn't like dresses above the ankle. I guess the same goes to earrings.
Which makes me wonder when did Queen Mary aquire her pearl and diamond pendant earrings?[attachment=3]QueenMarysPearlDropEarringsi.jpg[/attachment] I think Field mentions them in her book.

And here are some interesting ways of wearing Queen Victoria's brooches and earrings together:
Queen Mary - the three bow brooches with pendants (Cullinan II and the peandants from QV's earrings) and the Koh-i-Noor in its brooch setting[attachment=2]queenmarybrooches.JPG[/attachment]
Queen Mary - the sides of the cocade brooch with Willim IV's in the middle and C III as pendant; also wearing two bow brooches with QV's peandants[attachment=1]5434.jpg[/attachment]
Queen Alexandra at the 1902 Coronation - bow brooches and emerald earrings as pendants[attachment=0]queenalexandracoronation.JPG[/attachment]

Bobby

thats right, also mentioned in Thatched with gold (bio written by lady airlie (L-i-W) of QM). Lady Airlie wrote that she was asked by the Queen to shorten her skirt (to testified the King's opinion ) he doesn't like it - and so QM keept her style - also after KG V death in 1936.

those earrings were originaly pendants of a necklace (chain) and altered later - Field p 119

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Bobby -- Q. Alexandra wore the collet necklace with the Lahore diamond at her coronation. So did Q. Mary at hers. These photos are the best I can find, though not too great. It's almost impossible to separate that necklace from the other fancies Alexandra is wearing, but many sources confirm she did wear it with the Lahore drop.

--- Laurie

Thank you, Laurie, for the reply. Now I know that the two Queens wore the Lahore diamond pendant.
It should be noted, however, that neither of the photos are from Coronations. The photo of Queen Alexandra was taken in 1905 at the wedding of Princess Margaret of Connaught to Prince Gustaf (VI) Adolf of Sweden, whereas Queen Mary's photo is from 1914. Mary's wearing the Chips attached to Queen Victoria's collet necklace and the Lahore and the peandants from the earrings with the brooches.

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Thank you, Alexander for the info about the earrings.
Patricia, you're welcome. Yes, there's no painting, photograph of record which shows Queen Victoria wearing the bow brooches.

Bobby

 

[alexander1917]

Bobby -- Q. Alexandra wore the collet necklace with the Lahore diamond at her coronation. So did Q. Mary at hers. These photos are the best I can find, though not too great. It's almost impossible to separate that necklace from the other fancies Alexandra is wearing, but many sources confirm she did wear it with the Lahore drop.

Feeshalori -- Easy to put up photos! First click Upload Attachment, below, then click Browse. You get your own computer's photo file -- double-click on the pic you want & its path will appear in the little window in front of where it says Browse. Click on Add the File. Your picture's title will appear below this space. For a 2nd pic, do it again. Click Submit as usual. NOTE: If you put in more than one & order matters, upload them in Reverse Order from how you want them to appear. This site places each new upload in front of previous ones.

--- Laurie

this picture of Queen Mary is not her coronation. this is the outfit she wore in Berlin, at the wedding of the Kaiser's only daughter (Victoria Luise) in 1913.

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Queen Margrethe at a dinner in Bahrain - HM wore one of Crown Princess Margaretha's turquoise briooches and an interesting cobination of 2 different pairs of earrings - turquoises and pearls:
The Queen also wore a turquoise ring:

 

[alexander1917]

sorry for the bad quality, but I havn't a scanner

here the original pendants on the chain in a negligee style (like the Dehli Emerald Necklace)

 

[neil31uk]

Alexander, thanks for the explanation. That makes perfect sence, even more so when you have in mind that Queen Mary only started wearing dresses above the ankle after George V died. The reason? The King didn't like dresses above the ankle. I guess the same goes to earrings.
Which makes me wonder when did Queen Mary aquire her pearl and diamond pendant earrings? I think Field mentions them in her book.

And here are some interesting ways of wearing Queen Victoria's brooches and earrings together:
Queen Mary - the three bow brooches with pendants (Cullinan II and the peandants from QV's earrings) and the Koh-i-Noor in its brooch setting
Queen Mary - the sides of the cocade brooch with Willim IV's in the middle and C III as pendant; also wearing two bow brooches with QV's peandants
Queen Alexandra at the 1902 Coronation - bow brooches and emerald earrings as pendants

Bobby

Great pics as always Bobby.

A couple of things I note. The top bow broach in the top pic must have the Cullinan III on it as the Cullinan II is cushion cut. Also, the broach with the Koh-i-noor in it - aren't those the four scroll elements that are now the Countess of Wessex's wedding tiara?

 

[alexander1917]

Alexander, thanks for the explanation. That makes perfect sence, even more so when you have in mind that Queen Mary only started wearing dresses above the ankle after George V died. The reason? The King didn't like dresses above the ankle. I guess the same goes to earrings.
Which makes me wonder when did Queen Mary aquire her pearl and diamond pendant earrings?[attachment=3]QueenMarysPearlDropEarringsi.jpg[/attachment] I think Field mentions them in her book.

And here are some interesting ways of wearing Queen Victoria's brooches and earrings together:
Queen Mary - the three bow brooches with pendants (Cullinan II and the peandants from QV's earrings) and the Koh-i-Noor in its brooch setting[attachment=2]queenmarybrooches.JPG[/attachment]
Queen Mary - the sides of the cocade brooch with Willim IV's in the middle and C III as pendant; also wearing two bow brooches with QV's peandants[attachment=1]5434.jpg[/attachment]
Queen Alexandra at the 1902 Coronation - bow brooches and emerald earrings as pendants[attachment=0]queenalexandracoronation.JPG[/attachment]

Bobby

Great pics as always Bobby.

A couple of things I note. The top bow broach in the top pic must have the Cullinan III on it as the Cullinan II is cushion cut. Also, the broach with the Koh-i-noor in it - aren't those the four scroll elements that are now the Countess of Wessex's wedding tiara?

Field said it's Cullinan III (p 5

 

[JewelFreak]

Thanks, Laurie -

I understand how to upload pictures from my own computer file, but unfortunately don't have these images saved on my computer. I'd like to know how to import photos here that I find on the Internet, such as Getty images. I hate to keep using links.

Patricia

Patricia -- You have to download them to your photo file, then put them up the usual way. I haven't tried to Copy & Paste, it might work, don't know. For an Adobe image or one that won't let you download, you can hit Print Screen at the top right of your keyboard, then open your photo editing program & click Paste As New Image, cut what you want & save to file for uploading here. Make sense?

--- Laurie

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Great pics as always Bobby.

A couple of things I note. The top bow broach in the top pic must have the Cullinan III on it as the Cullinan II is cushion cut. Also, the broach with the Koh-i-noor in it - aren't those the four scroll elements that are now the Countess of Wessex's wedding tiara?

You're correct, Neil! It's Cullinan III indeed. I must've forgotten the third I. As you can see, I've labeled it correctly above the second photo.
The brooch - No, these are not the elements currently in Sophie's tiara. The brooch only consistes of two elements and the large diamond. You must've missed a photo I posted a while ago of Queen Victoria's Regal Circlet in its case. There one can clearly see in the the middle of a tray a lozenge-shaped hole that was meant for the Koh-i-Noor's brooch frame.
You can see the brooch here in this portrait of Queen Victoria (a favourite of mine) - http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/e...ter&x=0&y=0&pagesize=100&object=406698&row=50

 

[prince.of.preslav]

I've already posted a photo from this occasion, but this one is far closer. Here we can enjoy the brooch, ring, necklace and earrings (the drops of which HM wore the next day with the turquoises):

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Today is the 35 h birthday of HRH Princess Marie of Denmark. Moi je veux souhaite a la princesse un heureux anniversaire!

Today is also the 59 anniversary of the death of HM King George VI...

... and the 59 anniversaro of the start of Elizabeth II's reign, which means that there's exactly an year to the Diamond Jubille!

Bobby

 

[laurensmama]

What books do you recommend to learn more about royal jewels with detailed history and GREAT photos? Even if they are out of print. Bobby?? Thanks

 

[Feeshalori]

Thanks, Laurie -

I understand how to upload pictures from my own computer file, but unfortunately don't have these images saved on my computer. I'd like to know how to import photos here that I find on the Internet, such as Getty images. I hate to keep using links.

Patricia

Patricia -- You have to download them to your photo file, then put them up the usual way. I haven't tried to Copy & Paste, it might work, don't know. For an Adobe image or one that won't let you download, you can hit Print Screen at the top right of your keyboard, then open your photo editing program & click Paste As New Image, cut what you want & save to file for uploading here. Make sense?

--- Laurie

Laurie - Thanks for the direx; I've already tried the C&P method which doesn't work. I'll try it the other way and see what happens. Thanks a lot for your help.

Patricia

P.S. The photos that you recently posted of Queen Alexandra's and Queen Mary's coronations are absolutely gorgeous. Those ladies certainly could carry the contents of the jewel vault with royal aplomb!

 

[Feeshalori]

Bobby - that's an interesting formal photo of the Queen with her eyes closed. Was that taken for this occasion? She looks very meditative there. A lot of years to contemplate, I'm sure!

Anyway, best wishes to the Queen on the 59th year of her reign. It must always be a bittersweet occasion knowing that accession occurred due to her father's death.

Patricia

 

[laurensmama]

What are the details/history associated with the tiara Princess Marie wears? Since she is his second wife did not know if it has a family history or was bought from a jeweler. Thanks.

 

[prince.of.preslav]

What are the details/history associated with the tiara Princess Marie wears? Since she is his second wife did not know if it has a family history or was bought from a jeweler. Thanks.

Yes, we can say that the floral tiara is a family piece. Here's what the Royal House's website said about it in 2008:

The tiara belongs to Her Majesty The Queen. It was a gift from the Queen’s parents, King Frederik and Queen Ingrid. Originally, the tiara belonged to Princess Dagmar (1890-1961), the youngest daughter of Frederik VIII and Queen Louise. In 1922 she married Master of the Royal Hunt Jørgen Castenskiold.

In addition, Miss Marie Cavallier wears a pair of diamond earrings from Genève.

The Queen/Princess has worn the tiara many times. I'm fairly certain her mother has never worn it, thus Marie is the third wearer of the jewel.

The whole press release from the Royal Court - http://kongehuset.dk/publish.php?id=17252

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

Bobby - that's an interesting formal photo of the Queen with her eyes closed. Was that taken for this occasion? She looks very meditative there. A lot of years to contemplate, I'm sure!

Anyway, best wishes to the Queen on the 59th year of her reign. It must always be a bittersweet occasion knowing that accession occurred due to her father's death.

Patricia

The portrait was taken by Chris Levine in 2004. I do not know if it commemerated something, but is very interesting and quite unusual. I think the British Queen is the only monarch to have a holographic portrait so far.
Here you can see another shoot from the same setting with HM's eyes open - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pic.../Portraits-of-Queen-Elizabeth-II.html?image=5
And here you can read about a forthcoming exhibition which will feature many (60) portraits of the Monarch (painted and photos) - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lle-portraits-covering-60-years-unveiled.html

Yesterday (Accession Day) The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh and the Hon. Alexandra Knatchbull attended a church service at St Peter and St Paul's Church in West Newton. Today the Royal couple returned to their London home, Buckingham Palace. At the service, Elizabeth II wore the Kent amethyst brooch with a most suitable outfit for the occasion.

Bobby

 

[prince.of.preslav]

What books do you recommend to learn more about royal jewels with detailed history and GREAT photos? Even if they are out of print. Bobby?? Thanks

I can not help you much, as I don't own a single book on royal jewels. But I've heard that Bjarne Steen Jensen's Juvelerne i det danske kongehus is a very interesting book, although it's in Danish only. Also Leslie Field's Queen's jewels is an interesting book. Rene Brus's book Juwelen van het Huis Oranje-Nassau, but this one is interesting only in terms of the jewels' story (he uses info from the jewellers, as well as other published accounts) as the author was denied the chance to take photos of the jewels. I think there's a book about the jewles of the Belgian Queens.
But you should have in mind that these books (at least most of them) are out of stock/print.

I hope others can help you more. Alexander, don't you have a considerable ammount of royalty books?

 

[shadowed_rain]

What books do you recommend to learn more about royal jewels with detailed history and GREAT photos? Even if they are out of print. Bobby?? Thanks

If I may interject, I do agree with all of the books that Bobby was so kind as to list. One more important and glorious book is Gregory Munn's "Tiaras: Past and Present" is a must. I never tire of looking through it.

 

[alexander1917]

What books do you recommend to learn more about royal jewels with detailed history and GREAT photos? Even if they are out of print. Bobby?? Thanks

I can not help you much, as I don't own a single book on royal jewels. But I've heard that Bjarne Steen Jensen's Juvelerne i det danske kongehus is a very interesting book, although it's in Danish only. Also Leslie Field's Queen's jewels is an interesting book. Rene Brus's book Juwelen van het Huis Oranje-Nassau, but this one is interesting only in terms of the jewels' story (he uses info from the jewellers, as well as other published accounts) as the author was denied the chance to take photos of the jewels. I think there's a book about the jewles of the Belgian Queens.
But you should have in mind that these books (at least most of them) are out of stock/print.

I hope others can help you more. Alexander, don't you have a considerable ammount of royalty books?

of course I have some

The Queen's Jewels Field
Royal Jewels Menkes
Jewels of the Tsar Pr. M. of Greece
the Jewels of the Romanows Papi
Tiaras Munn
dankse kongehuis (danish but understandable)

most could be found at amazon or ebay

 

[littlestinker]

Just reviewing the other Diana exhibition jewelry and realized the Spencer Earrings weren't in the catalog but were on display with the dress. They were Diana's "something borrowed" on her wedding day. They looked almost yellow in person.
Jewelfreak- the tourmaline is labeled as pink but the pictures and the actual pieces have a very orange hue. Not sure about that, maybe a natural change for that stone? I don't know much about it.

 

[prince.of.preslav]

of course I have some

The Queen's Jewels Field
Royal Jewels Menkes
Jewels of the Tsar Pr. M. of Greece
the Jewels of the Romanows Papi
Tiaras Munn
dankse kongehuis (danish but understandable)

most could be found at amazon or ebay

Yes, of couse, how could I forget Stefano Papi and Prince Michail's books... By the way, Papi, Prince Michael and Princess Maria Gabriella have a joint book about the jewels of the House of Savoy. That sounds quite delicious to me.

I have a question about Jewels of the Tsars - Obviously this is a book about the jewels of the Romanovs, but does the Prince cover any jewels with Romanov provenece in other European royal courts? I know Queen Olga's turquoise parure is mentioned, but did HRH also write about his grandmother's emeralds? Or some jewels that are currently in Britain and Luxembourg for that matter?

Thanks in advance,
Bobby