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The Official TTC Thread!

HOU, I wish! I think we're out this cycle, though! I've resigned myself to waiting for AF, albeit a better behaved AF!

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Krissie! You are cracking me up! Of course I know Sergio!!!! LOLOLOL TOO FUNNY!
He does remind me of Mandango! Except he is wearing black pants. AF wouldn't like him!
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I had a bloody nose quite often during my 1st trimester....
 
Hi fellow TTCers! It's been a while since I've posted here.









I'm KNOCKED UP!!

Lucky number 13 is the cycle that it finally happened. The RE never really had any reason as to why it took us so long. My DH has always had awesome swimmers, so it could have been me. Anyway, I suspected something was up when I hit 17 DPO with no sign of AF in sight.
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Congratulations Laila!

That''s fantastic news!!!!
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Another April BFP!
 
Thanks to all of you for your very warm welcome. I''ve been reading more of the thread, and I am so amazed by all the wonderful women here and all the support they have provided each other along this often difficult journey.

Lanie, 2-4% is bad. I think some people think much more than that is bad (more is better because it is the percent of normally shaped sperm).

Wishing everybody good luck. Congratulations to those of you who have just found out you are pregnant! I''m looking forward to reading your stories (backward!).

And Bliss, I don''t know you obviously, but I laughed out loud when I saw your "hunk" series. :)

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Catching up on things...

caitlin, welcome. Nice to have you here.

Loves Vintage, so sorry that this month's IUI didn't work for you.
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However, I know with how awesome you respond to the meds that it's only a matter of time! Next month for sure.

Lanie
, YAY for ovulation! You must be so excited!

charbie and split shank, congrats to you both on your BFPs!

CDNinNYC, thank you!

sweetlime, good luck with the IUI results.
Waving to Fisher, Bliss, and everyone else.
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Hey ladies,

It looks like you ladies are having a grand ole time in here, too much fun!

Bliss: You are too hilarious. Where on Earth do you find these goofy pics.
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Thanks for the laughs! Sorry that AF showed up, but glad she stopped giving you grief. Good luck on the next cycle!

Caitlin: Welcome to the TTC hood. I hope you get all the info and support you need here. Enjoy your (hopefully) short stay
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Sweetlime: Fingers crossed for Tax day
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. Lots of sticky dust on your IUI.

Houie: Sorry for the crappy work schedule, but glad you can sneak away to chat
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.I wish you luck on your BD''ing marathon in the coming days. I will be right behind you
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Bella:I am sure you are busy with the new job, but how is it going?

CDNinNYC: I am not sure about the bloody nose thing, but I hope that its a good sign!
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Krissie: I am glad that your trip went well. I hope that Eva gives you some good news soon, so you can get onto your BD''ing marathon
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. Sorry about encouraging the Margartia urges, but sometimes a girls just needs one, YKWIM
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Catluver: I am sorry to hear about the drama with the MIL. I hope you all are able to find some middle groud. As for the 10 day BD''ing marathon, I don''t know how people have the time or the energy, lol.

Laila: CONGRATS to you. HOW EXCITING!
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Wishing you a H&H 9 months!

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Well I am rolling along now. T-2 days till BD;ing, woohoo. Keep those funny pictures coming and we all be laughing all the way to getting KU
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Laila!!!!! Oh my goodness!!!!!!! CONGRATULTIONS!!!! When are you due??? I asked where you were at least 2 separate times. So glad to hear!!!
 
LAILA CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just a quick drive-by to say that my new job is great, but I am exhausted with on-ramping for the job, the final 4 weeks of this semester at school (including Statistics
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), and life, so not much time for PSing and not much time for BDing. hopefully we''ll get it together in a few weeks for our April window, but if not we''ll just wait until May when things will be a little less complicated...

Bliss-I know why AF left you alone today, and it''s not the hunk in white pants with a 6-pack
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It''s b/c she decided to come kick my a** with a PMS migraine that feels like someone is driving a stake through my temple
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Hopefully she''ll just set up residence here soon, and not be too mean to me this month. I think this headache was enough...if I get evil cramps too I might have to find some more photos to distract her
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Thank you dcgator and Lanie, and Bella! Lanie, my due date is 12-11-10. Thanks for asking about me. I'm really happy the Femara helped you so much; I've heard it has a pretty good success rate, much better than Clomid.

So here is how I told my DH; not the most creative way but it worked. I bought an 'I love Daddy' bib and put it around the neck of this cute little stuffed bunny he gave me for our first Easter together. Then I put the bunny on the couch where he usually sits, under a blanket. He came home from work and changed clothes. I was waiting for him to go sit down at his usual spot on the couch, and wouldn't you know it, of all nights he sat SOMEWHERE ELSE! Finally, he eventually sat down at his usual spot. He felt the bunny so he picked up the blanket to see what he was sitting on. At first, he just said "Awww," realizing it was the bunny he gave me. Then he saw the bib, and was like, "What's this?" I don't think he registered what it said at first. Then he re-read it, and you could see a lightbulb going off, lol. He looked at me in kind of a hopeful way...and I said, "I'm pregnant!" I cried! I didn't think I would.
 
Date: 4/7/2010 11:18:10 PM
Author: Laila619
So here is how I told my DH; not the most creative way but it worked. I bought an ''I love Daddy'' bib and put it around the neck of this cute little stuffed bunny he gave me for our first Easter together. Then I put the bunny on the couch where he usually sits, under a blanket. He came home from work and changed clothes. I was waiting for him to go sit down at his usual spot on the couch, and wouldn''t you know it, of all nights he sat SOMEWHERE ELSE! Finally, he eventually sat down at his usual spot. He felt the bunny so he picked up the blanket to see what he was sitting on. At first, he just said ''Awww,'' realizing it was the bunny he gave me. Then he saw the bib, and was like, ''What''s this?'' I don''t think he registered what it said at first. Then he re-read it, and you could see a lightbulb going off, lol. He looked at me in kind of a hopeful way...and I said, ''I''m pregnant!'' I cried! I didn''t think I would.
AWWWW, how lovely Laila. A huge congratulations on your BFP and wish you a healthy and happy 9 months.

I''m currently on CD15 and my 2nd peak YAY!!! After having a month of highs cos Eva didn''t play nice I''ve finally got my peaks. So here''s hoping this is the month.

Again like Bella, this is a drive-by, cos I gotta go to work now - BOOOO!!!!
 
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LAILA!!!!!!
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WOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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You must be so excited!!! I am so excited and so happy for you!!!! I know it was a long road and trying at times for you, and I am just so very pleased to read that YOU'RE PREGNANT!!!!!

The way you told your DH is super-cute! I especially loved how the look on his face changed when he realized! So cute!!

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Yay Laila!
Congratulations!
Its fun to see more people getting preggo!
I''m so excited for you and your DH...here''s to the next 9 months!
 
po -- yay for the 2nd peak!!!

Laila -- such a cute story of how you told your DH!!! So please tell me everything...you were on Clomid for a bit. Did you take a break, did they give you anything else? What didyour preggo cycle entail??? Again, so happy!!! Loves Vintage didn''t give you quite enough clappy faces, so I''m giving you more.
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Thank you to Bella, po, Loves Vintage, and charbie!

Loves Vintage, you're so sweet. :) I feel like we're TTC sisters since we've both been through the same stuff.





Date: 4/8/2010 10:26:01 AM
Author: Lanie
po -- yay for the 2nd peak!!!

Laila -- such a cute story of how you told your DH!!! So please tell me everything...you were on Clomid for a bit. Did you take a break, did they give you anything else? What didyour preggo cycle entail??? Again, so happy!!! Loves Vintage didn't give you quite enough clappy faces, so I'm giving you more.
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Lanie,

I did Clomid for one cycle, and it caused a cyst and thinned the heck out of my lining. Nasty stuff.
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No wonder it was a BFN.

So I told my RE I did not want to go on Clomid again, and he switched me to the Follistim pen. It's an injectable with a tiny needle. SO easy to use, and it stimmed my ovaries crazy quick! I triggered on CD 9(!) because my estrogen was through the roof and my doctor was worried about triplets or quads!
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I never had any ovulation issues on my own, but the Follistim created more follicles (I had between 2-4 mature follies at time of trigger). I kind of hope it's not twins, but I'll take whatever! I think even though I'm young and had good bloodwork results, maybe I just had not the best quality eggs. Also, (TMI alert) Follistim gives you tons of good quality EWCM, which I never really had.
 
Congrats, Laila!!!!
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LAILA!!! Congratulations!!! What wonderful news!!!!!!!!!!
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Such a cute way to tell your hubby! Here's to a happy and healthy pregnancy (even if it IS double trouble!!
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Updated CD list

CD4 - LovesVintage
CD7 - Miscka, caitlin
CD8 - Kunzite
CD9 - DCGator
CD13 - Krissie
CD15 - PO10472
CD16 - Plantationcatt, HOUMedGal
CD22 - CatLuver, InHisArms
CD23 - noelwr, Lanie
CD26 - Lynnie
CD28 - Bella_mezzo
CD33 - Bliss
CD35 - Sweetlime
CD39- Ryan Claire
CD48 - brightlight


Hope to be removing some of us off the list soon!!!



 
OMG!!!!!

LAILA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SQUEEEEEE!!!!!! This made my entire year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my, how exciting!!!! WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW! So happy for you!

How wonderful! What an amazing surprise! Oh, I am sending you dust and hugs for a healthy & happy pregnancy!
Thanks for making our day!!!! Month!!!! Year!!!!!!!!!
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Hi everyone - popping back in after a bit of an extended leave... just needed I break from thinking about baby making and I think it did me some good. Of course I missed a ton though and I apologize that I can''t respond to everyone.


Charbie and Laila CONGRATULATIONS!!! Love seeing jerkstores and veteran BFP on here :) Laila I am so glad the follistim worked for you.


noelwr - hope you have a wonderful time on your cruise!


fisher and parrot tulips - glad you both dropped by to say hello and share your thoughts... I think this board is wonderful, but I agree it can make TTC a singular focus and it''s nice to step back and take a break sometimes. Can''t wait for BFP for you both.


fisher - love your name choices... I go back and forth about what I want first... I am much more comfortable with the idea of a girl but some part of me (probably the part that loves DH so much) really would love a little boy :) Although I can''t think of a boys name I like to save my life... Why are boys names so much harder?


LV - I am so sorry to hear about your BFN. I was really hoping to see good news for you. How are you hanging in there? Have you made any decisions about how you are gonna move forward? I know it''s hard to "take a break" when you are so in it. Thinking about you.


Lanie - So glad you Oed!!! What a great feeling to know that you have a shot this cycle. I am pulling for you.


Sweetlime - glad to see another person is using acupuncture... Hope it brings you luck.


welcome to miscka, blondbunnie, LTP, and caitlin. Caitlin I am sorry that your road has already been so tough. I hope that IVF is just the thing you need to get your BFP.


Lynnie - thanks for the shout out... laying low with nothing new to report... but feeling ok about that for right now. Hope you''ve got something new to report soon :)


HouM - Glad to see your cycle is under way and that you are excited about moving forward. Dust for your 2WW.


Bliss - I am not sure anyone on here wants you to take a break either! Sorry about weird vanishing PMS/cramps... I am holding out that it could be a sign of something more exciting.


Krissie - Love the Sergio reference... Can''t get that imagine out of my head now.


Bella - glad the new job is going well. Hope you can make some time for BDing but sounds as though you are taking each day as it comes and trying not to stress too much.


Po - love that you got your peaks... I can appreciate the small excitements in this process and I know that will be a fun one for me.


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Sorry for those I missed but I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the warmer weather... it does a lot for my mood. Again, not much to report. I am on CD39 without any O or signs of impeding O... But I have to say that choosing not to do another round of Clomid and focus on the acupuncture and herbs and letting nature reign for a while has allowed me to de-stress a lot. I am no longer so focused on needing to get pregnant right now or waiting for O to get here already. I know that acupuncture and herbs can take about 3 months to really kick in... or longer... So I kinda have given myself that grace period to sit back a little and not obsess as much. It''s been nice. We are planning a vaca in June and I am excited to be doing things that a month ago I was wary of because... I MIGHT be pregnant. I felt stunted... like everything was dependent on getting pregnant... and now I guess I feel a little more at peace that this might take a little while. Ask me again in 3 months and I might be telling a different story though. And just a little update on the acupuncture... I read the book "Infertility Cure" which is about Traditional Chinese Medicine, acupuncture, and herbs for infertility and it was really helpful in explaining what the philosophy behind TCM is. It also recommends dietary changes and is in generally very sympathetic to the TTC woman. I''d recommend it if you are thinking about acupuncture. The herbs that I am taking 2x a day though are the most disgusting foul tasting things I have ever tasted. I had to buy empty veggie capsules and fill them with the herbs cause I couldn''t take the taste... and I am not really a wimp like that. But I do think they can help - so I am taking one for the team.
 
Date: 4/8/2010 10:50:44 AM
Author: Laila619
Thank you to Bella, po, Loves Vintage, and charbie!

Loves Vintage, you''re so sweet. :) I feel like we''re TTC sisters since we''ve both been through the same stuff.
Lanie,

I did Clomid for one cycle, and it caused a cyst and thinned the heck out of my lining. Nasty stuff.
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No wonder it was a BFN.

So I told my RE I did not want to go on Clomid again, and he switched me to the Follistim pen. It''s an injectable with a tiny needle. SO easy to use, and it stimmed my ovaries crazy quick! I triggered on CD 9(!) because my estrogen was through the roof and my doctor was worried about triplets or quads!
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I never had any ovulation issues on my own, but the Follistim created more follicles (I had between 2-4 mature follies at time of trigger). I kind of hope it''s not twins, but I''ll take whatever! I think even though I''m young and had good bloodwork results, maybe I just had not the best quality eggs. Also, (TMI alert) Follistim gives you tons of good quality EWCM, which I never really had.

Laila - We ARE TTC Sisters!!! I misssssssssssssssed you when you were gone, but I knew you''d be back with good news one day, so I understood!
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Yay for Follistim!!! Wow, that was an early trigger!!! Can''t wait to hear how many LO''s you''re growing!! Hee-hee!!!

Caitlin - Welcome! Welcome! I came across some info that I thought you might find useful: http://forums.fertilitycommunity.com/intrauterine-insemination-iui/2020189402-iui-morphology-1-any-advice.html . I wish you lots of luck this cycle! It is not easy. I could definitely relate to your first post about the waiting and the hoping and the waiting. It does seem to get harder as each cycle passes. Any idea when your IUI will be scheduled yet? Are you taking meds too, sorry if I missed that?

Bliss - You are hilarious, and I''ve said it before, but just so clever! I love it! Thank you for bringing your special brand of humor to this thread!!

Bella - Welcome back!! We''ve missed you! Glad to hear the new job is great!

RyanClaire - You sound so well! Good for you for making the decision to take things at your own pace. I read parts of the same book you mentioned. I think our doctors are in the same network. My acupuncturist told me that she participates in regular conference calls with the author, is it Randine Lewis, where they share information about their cases, etc. The herbs are something else, aren''t they? I think they can be ordered in the capsules. Also, when I told my doctor I was having a hard time taking the herbs, she suggested that I put them in a little bowl with honey and keep swirling them together until they form a little ball that could be swallowed. If it''s not easy to get them into the little veggie caps, then you might try that too.

Here''s my mini-update:

We decided to proceed with another medicated IUI cycle. I went for u/s and b/w on CD3 (yesterday), and there was a huge cyst in one of my ovaries and two smaller ones on the other. The nurse told me the cycle would be canceled because there wouldn''t be enough room for follicles to grow with that one huge cyst. This would typically be bad news, but I was quite relieved because we had been on the fence about continuing this cycle. So, the decision I partly wanted to make on my own, was made for me. Ahhhhh. DH and I are both very ok with it. We will still have a natural cycle on our own. The nurse said it is still possible for me to conceive, even with the large cyst (which she referred to as a corpus luteum cyst, I guess it is some of the follicles from last cycle that are supposed to go away [i know, great technical terminology], but sometimes they don''t.) So, this cycle, I''m going to color my hair, drink some coffee, drink some beer, really live it up, you know, oh! and charge up little Miss Eva -- now, when do I do that? CD5, is it?

 
Laila, I''m thrilled for you! The birth of your little one will be a wonderful way to close out 2010!
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Congrats Laila! Welcome to the club :)
 
LV - funny how things work out sometimes right? It would have been a hard decision to make on your own, but I hope it''s an easier pill to swallow when dictated by someone else. I think seeing the mini-break as a positive is going to help you relax and take some pressure off. People can be really annoying when they say "just relax, it happens when you stop worrying about it so much, etc, etc, blah blah blah" ....... but who knows? Glad you and DH are taking it in stride. Enjoy your beer and highlights :)

I am impressed your acupuncturists has case conferences with Randine Lewis - sounds like you are getting very knowledgeable and thoughtful care. I hope it helps. And thanks for the tidbit about the honey... I might try that. Although what a waste of delicious honey!
 
Thank you very much to Miscka, Lynnie, Miss Bliss, Ryan Claire, puppmom, and Hudson! Your good wishes mean a lot to me.



Date: 4/8/2010 11:58:56 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
Laila - We ARE TTC Sisters!!! I misssssssssssssssed you when you were gone, but I knew you''d be back with good news one day, so I understood!
Here''s my mini-update:


We decided to proceed with another medicated IUI cycle. I went for u/s and b/w on CD3 (yesterday), and there was a huge cyst in one of my ovaries and two smaller ones on the other. The nurse told me the cycle would be canceled because there wouldn''t be enough room for follicles to grow with that one huge cyst. This would typically be bad news, but I was quite relieved because we had been on the fence about continuing this cycle. So, the decision I partly wanted to make on my own, was made for me. Ahhhhh. DH and I are both very ok with it. We will still have a natural cycle on our own. The nurse said it is still possible for me to conceive, even with the large cyst (which she referred to as a corpus luteum cyst, I guess it is some of the follicles from last cycle that are supposed to go away [i know, great technical terminology], but sometimes they don''t.) So, this cycle, I''m going to color my hair, drink some coffee, drink some beer, really live it up, you know, oh! and charge up little Miss Eva -- now, when do I do that? CD5, is it?

LV, I really missed posting with you all here, but I think the self-imposed break did me a world of good! I stopped obsessing about everything baby and everything TTC related.

Sorry you had a residual cyst, but you could still very well get KU this month anyway! That is the spirit...live it up, drink a beer, enjoy the weather, do some fun things with hubby and the dogs, etc.
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Congratulations Laila
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CONGRATULATIONS, Laila!!!

And thanks so much, LV, for the link. As you saw, the prospects aren''t great with the morph problem. We are trying to be optimistic nevertheless. Right now, we are doing unmedicated IUI. Since the problem appears to be the morph (all signs suggest I''m ovulating, etc., though my egg quality hasn''t been tested yet -- here''s hoping), and since I have a lining that is just at average (I guess some meds thin your lining?), we are starting with unmedicated IUI. The fear is that things will only get worse if we add meds and my lining deteriorates. I go in tomorrow a.m. for my first monitoring, and usually I ovulate around day 15-16 (but of course last time when our IUI was being scheduled, I peaked super early -- and was set to ovulate on my own around day 11 or 12!!! -- had to rush the ovidrel [I did take that] etc.). I''m thinking the IUI would probably happen early next week depending on where my follicles are. I''m out of town on Monday so I''m really hoping I don''t ovulate super early (for me) this time too.

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I went MIA again, being sans internet. So much happened!


dcgator-Thanks for thinking of my mom and the big (hug)! Any bding yet?

LV-Good luck with the new IUI cycle. I’m a new fan of Noble Pils, if you like Sam Adams.

RC-Enjoy looking forward to the vacation—where are yall headed?

Lynnie-Thanks for keeping us all in order. Bless you for your troubles.

Laila619-So Exciting! Congrats! Lucky 13th indeed!

Po-You’re a day behind my cycle and have a second peak, yay. Are yall bding every day, or every 36 hours, or every other day, or what?

Bella-With so much going on, maybe focusing less on making a baby will be the perfect time to make a baby! I have family in Louisiana, it feels like a second home.

Caitlin-welcome! Hope your stay is short.

Bliss-Glad the white pants worked. Whatever it takes. Your enthusiasm is refreshing.

Krissie-the best margarita I ever had was in Nice, France, at an Australian-American live music bar with delicious lemonade, potato skins, and a waiter that looked like Matthew McConaughey but with an Australian accent. I was 16. It was a wonderful time.

HOU-How’s my cycle buddy? I feel no O symptoms yet. You? Are you BDing?

Icekid-Aw, the cousins will be so close in age to play! I, too, have a similar hope for my relationship with my SIL.

CatLuver-Rant anytime. Good luck with the MIL before, during and after your pregnancy. My mom can’t get her hands on that momma cat yet. I grew up on a farm and we lost track of the number of strays that showed up…we caught, spayed/neutered, fed…etc. Amazing how they show up from the blue.

Miscka-Too cute about your BFF’s baby. Holding babies should make our ovaries work overtime!

CDNinNYC-Bloody noses, ugh!

sweetlime-Hope the IUI is going well…

Lanie-counting down the days to tax day for you!

Charbie-I love your signature line! My SIL has a six-week-old and put on FB for April Fool’s that she found out she was pregnant again at her six-week postpartum, which happened to be March 31. Everyone believed her, and I called telling her SHE would be the fool if they called back and said she was actually pregnant. I’m so glad YOU were the “fooled” here and are actually pregnant. IRONY. And on Easter weekend, no less, what a wonderful time to celebrate life. And Dec. 5 is my birthday!

Fisher-Yay, I missed you and you’re back! Glad the break was worth it to relax. My DH and I also love Christian and Christian Dane sounds perfect for yall! How’s your MIL doing post-chemo? Still praying yall will be off this thread soon…

Kunzite-Have your OPK’s arrived yet?

Lauren-Welcome…I remember you from way back when! We just adopted a dog yesterday and I’ve already gone on two walks, so they are definitely justification for exercise. Good luck. Where are yall going in France?

parrot tulips-Enjoy newlywed peace!

blondebunny-Welcome! Good thing to do a preconception exam, that makes you ahead of the game.
DUST to whomever I missed!
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We’re BDing and hoping I O in the next few days (that sounds dirty of of context). We also adopted a dog yesterday, she’s a couple years old and looks to be a mix of Chesapeake Bay and Golden Retrievers. My SIL (our relationship is getting markedly better) said she was super excited about the dog, that it was the closest thing to a niece/nephew and she couldn’t wait until we had kids. I hope we get pregnant this month so I can tell her we made a niece/nephew AND adopted a niecedog the same week. Are we crazy for doing this at the same time? Maybe. Oh well.

TMI alert…This is the most “dancing” we’ve done since our honeymoon…heck, maybe even more than our honeymoon…and my vajayjay is sore. Like, a few times yesterday and today while I was standing it felt a bit sore, and had a fullness/pressure on the inside. Anyone else, or is mine just out of practice?

There was something else…but I forgot.
 
Quickly dropping in before a run to the grocery store to say YAAAAAAAAAAY LAILA!!!!!!!!!!!
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I''m soooo happy for you!!!! Thanks for sharing your good news with us!! Tons of dust for a healthy and easy 9 months (or 8 now, I guess! hehe!)!!

Plantationcatt, yup, we''re BDing. hehe.
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I may have O''ed yesterday...had one temp above coverline this morning, but then I also had a positive OPK this afternoon, so maybe not. I wasn''t sleeping real well for the last hour before I temped, so maybe that''s why my temp was up. Anyway, we''re doing our best to catch the egg whenever it drops!! Best of luck to you....hope O comes soon!! Oh, also, re: soreness....I just make sure to use plenty of lube (PreSeed) during our marathons, and that makes things a lot better, no soreness. I really like PreSeed :)
 
Laila wonderful news!! Are you about 4-5 weeks along then?
 
Laila, super congrats!!
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Wow such good news.... you and your DH must be super thrilled! I can''t wait to see what the ultrasound says
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Caitlin, obviously the fertily assistance treatments are such a personal decision, but you and your hubs might be good candidates for skipping the multiple rounds of IUI and going straight for the IVF if the odds of IUI working are not so stellar. Might be cheaper and less stressful (if that''s possible with assisted reproduction) than the longer route. Either way, good luck this cycle!

Good luck ladies!
 
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