Upgrading my 5.08 RB ct to 8-10 ct EC, need help selecting

[SandyK]

Images are of a 10 carat emerald cut which is the solitaire next to a 7 Carat Center with two emerald trapezoid on the side. Both next to my ring that is the 5.08 carat

Ahhh dying - I'm a solitaire girl so I would go for the 10 ct over the three stone, but I think that ECs looks especially good in a 3 stone setting and that one looks great on you too.

Sorry to not be more helpful ha, but as a step cut fan who previously had brilliant cuts, I wouldn't worry too much about going from a round to an EC, especially a big one like the upgrade you are contemplating. A well cut step cut will be very lively and flashy as you noted, and I feel like my EC holds its own against my super ideal round brilliant studs (I've compared them side by side in various lighting conditions, although the studs are admittedly, and sadly, a lot smaller than my EC haha).

Super excited for you!!

 

[nala]

Any thoughts on lab grown diamonds vs natural? I had another maybe bad idea, to get a lab grown emerald, say 5 ct, then upgrade it later to larger natural diamond one. And keep 5 ct ring. But it's a lot to spend that way. And would I think rather have one, perfect, huge, natural diamond ring.

I don’t see the point of owning 2 big diamonds. But I’m in the one-ring-to-rule-them-all camp. I would rather wear the best one all the time than have to worry about rotating them, insuring them, etc. Plus if your intention is to ultimately upgrade to the big one, just do it now or you will spend more money in trial rings, settings, upgrade policies—etc.
Regarding round versus emerald cut—I find that huge diamonds (over 5 or 6 carats) look more elegant in emerald cut than round. No offense to anyone just my observation. I have a 2.9 round and if I’d ever ever crave more size, I’ll have to go with an emerald cut as I don’t want a bigger round for my 4.5 finger. Reminds me of a ring pop. Lol.

 

[teslagirl1234]

I don’t see the point of owning 2 big diamonds. But I’m in the one-ring-to-rule-them-all camp. I would rather wear the best one all the time than have to worry about rotating them, insuring them, etc. Plus if your intention is to ultimately upgrade to the big one, just do it now or you will spend more money in trial rings, settings, upgrade policies—etc.

Agree

 

[Diamond Girl 21]

My honest opinion is that I love the size of the 10ct emerald cut on your finger, but the asymmetry and inclusions would bother me. Of course, it's totally none of my business. The only thing that matters is what speaks to you. I truly hope you get the diamond of your dreams. One that really wows you everytime you look at it. You have an awesome budget, so go with whichever makes your heart sing. That 3 stone is killer too. I apologize if I overstepped.

 

[teslagirl1234]

Can someone help me figure out who knows emerald cuts really well if the 8 ct above is the right one or should I try to hold out for a better cut. At the price of the 8 ct ~140K, I can always possibly upgrade again later. But I do have the 8 ct on hold for only a couple days and need to decide.

 

[elizat]

I think that you need to engage the services of a vendor to help you. Both Todd and Jonathan have been mentioned in this thread. It is free to use them and they receive payment I believe from the vendors when a stone purchase is made. They also both work with Blue Nile.

I would not make a purchase of this size without consulting with an actual knowledgeable person that has credentials and lots of experience. I don't think relying upon people on a message board for this type of purchase is a good idea.

 

[teslagirl1234]

I think that you need to engage the services of a vendor to help you. Both Todd and Jonathan have been mentioned in this thread. It is free to use them and they receive payment I believe from the vendors when a stone purchase is made. They also both work with Blue Nile.

I would not make a purchase of this size without consulting with an actual knowledgeable person that has credentials and lots of experience. I don't think relying upon people on a message board for this type of purchase is a good idea.

I contacted Todd and am waiting to hear back.

 

[teslagirl1234]

+1 I was going to recommend the same — and ask OP to take my advice with a grain of newbie salt — so I’m glad there’s someone more legit to back me up! If it must be from Blue Nile, Jon’s concierge service might be your best bet.

I agree with the others that the inclusions on the ~10ct are not so hot (although I do like the ratio!). I can only see the still photo of the ~8ct for whatever reason, and am not a huge fan of the contrast pattern based on that one pic.

Contacted them as well for help.

 

[LLJsmom]

Love the 3 stone step cut on you. But I’m biased toward 3 stone rings. Looks so elegant and balanced yet makes a statement. However it seems you are leaning toward the 10 carat. Very curious about John’s opinion on the stones. In the end, get what moves you. You’ll know.

 

[teslagirl1234]

From Todd:

Hello Anna,

The 8.00 carat, J-color, VS-1 clarity, emerald-shaped diamond from Blue Nile looks like it will be a very pretty stone.

I have access to some additional images that the supplier provides and have attached them for your reference.

Based on the images, it appears that light is reflecting throughout the diamond pretty evenly and it's leaking about as much light as I expect this shape to leak under normal circumstances. In other words, it's typical of an emerald cut that is not cut to Brian Gavin's new ideal standard.

Given that we know that this shape is going to leak light, we primarily use the ASET and Ideal Scope images to determine how evenly the diamond is reflecting light. Which it seems to be doing quite nicely in this case.

I know the cutter who produced this diamond and used to buy from them. They tend to cut a very nice-looking diamond and it should be very bright.

-- Todd

I looked at ASETs of Brian Gavin diamonds Emerald Cut and now think I might want one instead, but no clue how pricing would compare. Also Blue Nile is not wanting to price match $11K difference) since it's an upgrade. So I'm getting frustrated...

Anyone with Brian Gavin Signature Emerald Cut diamonds know if the difference would be that noticeable to let the 8 ct go? I would have to then sell my stone on my own (just posted in Preloved https://www.pricescope.com/communit...rb-platinum-engagement-ring-75-000-00.267557/ ). Any ideas on where to sell for highest price or consignment?

 

[elizat]

I would check with Grace (Jewels by Grace). She seems to do well with moving large stones. Most of her larger stones are old cuts, but I would ask her. She does carry a mix, even though she specializes in antique and old cut.

I would also ask if she does not think it's something that would fit within her inventory if she can make a recommendation for you. With it being a modern stone it's not the best fit, but I think it's worth asking the question.

 

[Mlh]

From Todd:

Hello Anna,

The 8.00 carat, J-color, VS-1 clarity, emerald-shaped diamond from Blue Nile looks like it will be a very pretty stone.

I have access to some additional images that the supplier provides and have attached them for your reference.

Based on the images, it appears that light is reflecting throughout the diamond pretty evenly and it's leaking about as much light as I expect this shape to leak under normal circumstances. In other words, it's typical of an emerald cut that is not cut to Brian Gavin's new ideal standard.

Given that we know that this shape is going to leak light, we primarily use the ASET and Ideal Scope images to determine how evenly the diamond is reflecting light. Which it seems to be doing quite nicely in this case.

I know the cutter who produced this diamond and used to buy from them. They tend to cut a very nice-looking diamond and it should be very bright.

-- Todd

I looked at ASETs of Brian Gavin diamonds Emerald Cut and now think I might want one instead, but no clue how pricing would compare. Also Blue Nile is not wanting to price match $11K difference) since it's an upgrade. So I'm getting frustrated...

Anyone with Brian Gavin Signature Emerald Cut diamonds know if the difference would be that noticeable to let the 8 ct go? I would have to then sell my stone on my own (just posted in Preloved https://www.pricescope.com/communit...rb-platinum-engagement-ring-75-000-00.267557/ ). Any ideas on where to sell for highest price or consignment?

Have you asked Todd about your interest in selling your stone? He may be able to be of some help.

 

[Tanzie]

Hi Everyone!

I am considering upgrading my 5.08 J VS1 Round Brilliant to a larger Emerald cut.

I found these I am interested in:

https://www.yadavjewelry.com/natura...onds/signature_ideal-cut/vvs1-clarity/j-color

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD16054606 (same stone but would likely buy from BN as my 5.08 is from there).

and

10.03 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 10.03 carat J color vs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD16316301 (same stone as JA).

The 10.03 is larger and I would totally love the largest stone I can afford under $200k or so, but quality is key for me as my round brilliant was extremely sparkly. I know almost nothing about Emerald cuts so really need help.

Upgrade can also wait for the perfect stone. I color would be preferred as I think emerald cuts show color more than round. I do want the ring to look substantially larger than 5.08 round so thinking 8 ct+ ideally. I’m ok with fluorescence and find it to be neat!

Here is the stone to upgrade I currently have:

https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09156343

Open to preowned without trade at really, really amazing price.

Thank you for helping!!

If I were in the market for a stone like that I’d get my butt to NYC to see David So. There’s nobody better in the business.

 

[teslagirl1234]

If I were in the market for a stone like that I’d get my butt to NYC to see David So. There’s nobody better in the business.

I think I might go with Brian Gavin and have a stone cut. I imagine David So. will have a lot of regular proportions not signature.

 

[Mreader]

My favorite is the three stone EC but of course that is just a personal preference I agree with @nala that when you go BIG that an emerald, cushion etc. is more of a winner for me than a MRB (but again - personal preference!). For some reason, giant oec rounds though are just fine

 

[teslagirl1234]

My favorite is the three stone EC but of course that is just a personal preference I agree with @nala that when you go BIG that an emerald, cushion etc. is more of a winner for me than a MRB (but again - personal preference!). For some reason, giant oec rounds though are just fine

I agree. Went to jeweler today and saw a 10 ct round vs 7 ct center Emerald cut with 2 trapezoid size stones and both hubby and I though the emerald cut was a winner. Too large a round just don't look right or looks like a CZ ring in my opinion.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I love emerald cuts the most in really large stones above 5 or so carats!!!

It would be extremely risky to custom cut a stone that large, and it will likely cost far more than one you could buy already cut. I personally prefer a well cut traditional emerald cut, and I would not pay for a diamond that I haven't seen first in that price range. I am not sure BG has cut large ones, and they might even have trouble accessing rough in a stone as large as you want. When you put that much into a custom cut stone, you may find it hard to sell later. Lots of risks.

Jonathan @Rhino at Distinctive Gem is the best person to help you. He has the knowledge and equipment to evaluate diamonds, and he has no bias as to the vendor because he gets no commission from vendors. He could help you see if any at BN were worth considering so you could trade in. The other thing is that he can also access stones located in NYC to evaluate for you. A member here @bright ice recently used him to access and evaluate a stone that she found. She loved it and kept it.

 

[teslagirl1234]

I love emerald cuts the most in really large stones above 5 or so carats!!!

It would be extremely risky to custom cut a stone that large, and it will likely cost far more than one you could buy already cut. I personally prefer a well cut traditional emerald cut, and I would not pay for a diamond that I haven't seen first in that price range. I am not sure BG has cut large ones, and they might even have trouble accessing rough in a stone as large as you want. When you put that much into a custom cut stone, you may find it hard to sell later. Lots of risks.

Jonathan @Rhino at Distinctive Gem is the best person to help you. He has the knowledge and equipment to evaluate diamonds, and he has no bias as to the vendor because he gets no commission from vendors. He could help you see if any at BN were worth considering so you could trade in. The other thing is that he can also access stones located in NYC to evaluate for you. A member here @bright ice recently used him to access and evaluate a stone that she found. She loved it and kept it.

Jonathan charges $2500 for Blue Nile stone since they don't give commission. Brian Gavin cuts for a very good price per ct and his insurance covers the stone. Jonathan also tried to sell me on lab created diamond, which I don't want. I had a good call with Brian and think I will go with him and either get rough for him to cut or recut a stone I pick that is large.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Jonathan charges $2500 for Blue Nile stone since they don't give commission. Brian Gavin cuts for a very good price per ct and his insurance covers the stone. Jonathan also tried to sell me on lab created diamond, which I don't want. I had a good call with Brian and think I will go with him and either get rough for him to cut or recut a stone I pick that is large.

Awesome! If BG can cut for close to the price of an existing stone, that's good news! Did you ask him for photos of larger stones they have cut in that design? I'd definitely want to see how they look in large sizes, personally, before committing to a stone well over $100k.

 

[teslagirl1234]

Awesome! If BG can cut for the price of an existing stone, that's good news! Did you ask him for photos of larger stones they have cut in that design? I'd definitely want to see how they look in large sizes, personally.

Good idea I will ask. I think a lot of his clientele buys smaller round stones though. I may look at the stone I pick and just keep it and not recut. Depends how it performs. We are looking for stones now.

 

[Dmndsr4evr11]

I agree. Went to jeweler today and saw a 10 ct round vs 7 ct center Emerald cut with 2 trapezoid size stones and both hubby and I though the emerald cut was a winner. Too large a round just don't look right or looks like a CZ ring in my opinion.

Wow! I agree with others. I love rounds but I would pick that emerald with traps too! Can’t wait to see what you get!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I missed the part about recutting an existing stone. You are saying that if you buy a stone for him to recut, he will insure your stone while recutting? The problem with that idea is you might be paying for an 8 carat stone to recut and it might end up at 7.xx and you'd lose thousands in value in addition to paying his recut fee.

I think you can find a nice stone that doesn't need recutting. Large stones that are more costly some certainly should be cut well, because they are sold to people who are desire high quality diamonds.

If you don't want to use Jonathan, I'd ask Yekutiel at ID Jewelry to look for stones for you. His shop is in the diamond district.

 

[teslagirl1234]

I missed the part about recutting an existing stone. You are saying that if you buy a stone for him to recut, he will insure your stone while recutting? The problem with that idea is you might be paying for an 8 carat stone to recut and it might end up at 7.xx and you'd lose thousands in value in addition to paying his recut fee.

I think you can find a nice stone that doesn't need recutting. Large stones that are more costly some certainly should be cut well, because they are sold to people who are desire high quality diamonds.

If you don't want to use Jonathan, I'd ask Yekutiel at ID Jewelry to look for stones for you. His shop is in the diamond district.

Brian will buy my stone and sell me a larger one whether existing that he recuts or cut from rough. Not much Rough right now with India etc shut downs and Covid so might just buy a 8-9 ct if priced well and re cut if I don’t love it. I don’t mind losing a little ct weight.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Well, that's awesome if he will also buy your current stone!!! Keep us updated!

 

[foxinsox]

Not sure if you’ve already considered this but have you reached out to Ice Rock Diamonds?
He looks like he specialises in larger stones.

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Just my 2 cents...Todd at niceice.com is very seasoned and knowledgeable. He can definitely help you vet a gorgeous stone from blue nile. Plus he is a really nice guy.

Todd is flat-out wonderful. He helped me when I had a minor issue with B2C, turns out he knew someone there. I think he knows someone everywhere in the industry. I'd ask him in a heartbeat.

 

[Tanzie]

I think I might go with Brian Gavin and have a stone cut. I imagine David So. will have a lot of regular proportions not signature.

Why do you think that?

 

[teslagirl1234]

Todd is flat-out wonderful. He helped me when I had a minor issue with B2C, turns out he knew someone there. I think he knows someone everywhere in the industry. I'd ask him in a heartbeat.

He recommends Brian Gavin emerald signature cuts.

 

[teslagirl1234]

Why do you think that?

As there is a huge range in depth table etc on emerald cuts, all which have an effect on light return and fire.

 

[ruffrock]

Hi @teslagirl1234. Any news on your emerald cut journey?

I came back to this thread as I was looking at doing something similar. I’m still on the fence deciding whether I would miss the light return.

Eager to see what you have decided!