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TooPatient said:
Worse than that, we are sitting here watching as the residents of a nursing home are kept in their facility rather than taken for medical care. Their friends and family are told they aren't allowed to visit. They have had two (announced so far) deaths from the virus. More than 50 residents and employees symptomatic. No updates on how many tests they have run. I can't believe none of the other elderly/sick residents are sick with this. So now we have 100+ residents all in the same building with at least 35 of them probably infected. I just keep watching for updates and am so angry for the residents and their families that more of them will get sick than already were because of some stupid decisions. (This is also the building that caused 25 firefighters and 2 police to need quarantined...)
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A nursing home is a good place for them to be, actually. You want them in quarantine and everyone there has already been exposed. Nursing homes have doctors and nurses. My mother was in a nursing home the last 7 years of her life and I can assure you, she preferred being there over being sent to the hospital. I see nothing stupid about this decision. Being quarantined where they are and not being sent where they can expose more people is a very good idea in addition to the fact that taking them all to a hospital for quarantine may be impossible. Obviously people in poor condition would be taken if it was determined there was something there to help them that could not be provided there.
 
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TooPatient said:
Worse than that, we are sitting here watching as the residents of a nursing home are kept in their facility rather than taken for medical care. Their friends and family are told they aren't allowed to visit. They have had two (announced so far) deaths from the virus. More than 50 residents and employees symptomatic. No updates on how many tests they have run. I can't believe none of the other elderly/sick residents are sick with this. So now we have 100+ residents all in the same building with at least 35 of them probably infected. I just keep watching for updates and am so angry for the residents and their families that more of them will get sick than already were because of some stupid decisions. (This is also the building that caused 25 firefighters and 2 police to need quarantined...)
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What would you have them do then? With more than 50 residents and employees symptomatic, I'm not sure how giving in to worried family members who cannot help, is going to do anything other than infect MORE people to then go back into the community. Or here's one, what if son or daughter comes to visit and also has an untested mild case and gives the virus to a resident who is not yet infected. There are just so many unknowns. If they were all moved to a hospital, family still would not be allowed in to visit because grandma is contagious or probably contagious. Plus just putting all of them in a hospital whether they need it or not is not an efficient use of hospital resources. Just moving people who don't need nursing for an actual illness into a hospital I don't think hospitals would consent to it, honestly, or if they can. In any case, doing so is not necessarily going to improve survival and it's going to stress the hospital staffs. About the testing, there is no reason to think that Washington is not suffering under the same inabilities as the rest of the country when it comes to getting tests and the narrow restrictions on how when they can be administered. First and foremost, they likely don't have access to enough tests to test everyone they want to - no one does, anywhere apparently - so without knowing who they can let go as healthy, and with no place to reasonably send them if they do, whaddya do?

Bottom line, I don't think the decisions being made are stupid so much as just having to choose from a selection of really difficult options, in a fast-moving and constantly evolving situation. Would YOU want to be the one making them? I understand the frustration, but from where I sit as an arm-chair medical advisor, I would probably advise what they're doing. So keep an eye on everyone, keep the people in there apart, send the serious ones to the hospital, and keep the rest of them in quarantine until tests can cull out the ones who don't test positive.

Maybe some medical folks will weigh in and tell me my reasoning is crap, but I feel really really REALLY bad for medical people right now. I have issues with docs from time to time, but on the whole people who go into medicine are caring people. I think this situation is going to be a trial by fire for many.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
The media causing hysteria is likely more dangerous than the actual virus. I am still reading the death rate likely will be less than 1% here. I am not buying into the doom and gloom some are buying into.
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I agree about the hysteria being more dangerous about the actual virus, and it may be true that if 100% of the population is infected, the death rate will be less than 1%. However, judging by the numbers that are out on worldometers, out of the 15 closed cases in the USA, 6 died and 9 recovered. The data we have so far implies a 40% death rate so far in the US, seemingly higher than other countries. Maybe this has to do with state and federal authorities' unwillingness to test for the virus, so all or most the mild cases in the US go unreported? There would be data skew if so toward a higher death rate.

I still have hope that the US will learn to better treat the disease, so there's no need to panic, but the numbers at this point don't look so good. Ensuring no panic tomorrow means facing the music right now and not underestimating the virus purely based on having over-inflated opinion of our healthcare system.
 
voce said:
I agree about the hysteria being more dangerous about the actual virus, and it may be true that if 100% of the population is infected, the death rate will be less than 1%. However, judging by the numbers that are out on worldometers, out of the 15 closed cases in the USA, 6 died and 9 recovered. The data we have so far implies a 40% death rate so far in the US, seemingly higher than other countries. Maybe this has to do with state and federal authorities' unwillingness to test for the virus, so all or most the mild cases in the US go unreported? There would be data skew if so toward a higher death rate.

I still have hope that the US will learn to better treat the disease, so there's no need to panic, but the numbers at this point don't look so good. Ensuring no panic tomorrow means facing the music right now and not underestimating the virus purely based on having over-inflated opinion of our healthcare system.
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You realize very few people have been tested, right? People with no symptoms and those will mild illness will never be tested. There haven't been enough reliable tests made and distributed yet, and about the last place I want to go if I have some cold symptoms is a doctor's office or hospital where I'd be very likely to be exposed to the virus if I didn't already have it! People who died had the most severe cases. Saying there's a 40% death rate is absolutely absurd. I'm sorry but I can't think of a nicer way of saying it.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
You realize very few people have been tested, right? People with no symptoms and those will mild illness will never be tested. There haven't been enough reliable tests made and distributed yet, and about the last place I want to go if I have some cold symptoms is a doctor's office or hospital where I'd be very likely to be exposed to the virus if I didn't already have it! People who died had the most severe cases. Saying there's a 40% death rate is absolutely absurd. I'm sorry but I can't think of a nicer way of saying it.
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Yes, I do realize that. That's exactly why I did talk about data skew and authorities' unwillingness to test, in the same segment you quoted.

Even if we don't test mild cases, if you look at the data on the closed cases, i.e. total deaths vs recoveries, a 40% death rate considering we've been treating the serious cases does not look good. By the numbers South Korea and Italy are the only countries doing worse than the US in terms of the death rate of the closed cases. Even Iran has a better recovery rate. I anticipate you may argue that those countries that seem to have done better are posting false numbers, but my point is that we could be doing a lot better in the US if we improve our attitudes instead of dismissing the problem out of hand. No mass hysteria is justified at this stage, but if we're dismissive and underestimate the enemy (COVID19 virus), then that attitude itself will get us into more trouble and trigger real cause for hysteria.
 
I am traveling to Australia in 3 weeks and found this article interesting. I am avoiding CNN and trying to gather info from non-biased sources as well as WHO and CDC websites as I asses my risks.

www.wsj.com

Is It Safe to Travel Again? Your Coronavirus Questions Answered

A Q&A for anyone confused about traveling right now. The latest news on travel restrictions at home and abroad, how to stay healthy and what you need to know about flying.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
@voce , the US can barely manage the freaking flu...lol When I asked the urgent care doc if they tested for Covid-19 and she said no, we don't have protocol for it, that told me what I needed to know. First line facilities are shooting in the dark on this thing, they really weren't told what to do beyond what we're told to do, and they pass the buck to the bigger hospitals. The bigger hospitals is where people come in to test, but you got a whole other mess there. And CDC will not test everybody (a whole other can of worms) because they do not have enough tests. They won't say it though.

So it will be left up to the individual. We (general we) need to be sure we can support our illnesses to be best of our abilities. good food, proper otc meds, clean water, a working toilet, and rest (and lots of it). I think lots of people will end up with it. Some will die but people die of the flu too.

The media really isn't helping because they use these types of disasters as a game of look at me...anything for clicks and likes, and views, lets make it as sensational as possible. Some so called serious news stations make the National Enquirer look tame.

I don't think ANY country is telling the full story. Maybe they don't feel they can.
 
ksinger said:
What would you have them do then? With more than 50 residents and employees symptomatic, I'm not sure how giving in to worried family members who cannot help, is going to do anything other than infect MORE people to then go back into the community. Or here's one, what if son or daughter comes to visit and also has an untested mild case and gives the virus to a resident who is not yet infected. There are just so many unknowns. If they were all moved to a hospital, family still would not be allowed in to visit because grandma is contagious or probably contagious. Plus just putting all of them in a hospital whether they need it or not is not an efficient use of hospital resources. Just moving people who don't need nursing for an actual illness into a hospital I don't think hospitals would consent to it, honestly, or if they can. In any case, doing so is not necessarily going to improve survival and it's going to stress the hospital staffs. About the testing, there is no reason to think that Washington is not suffering under the same inabilities as the rest of the country when it comes to getting tests and the narrow restrictions on how when they can be administered. First and foremost, they likely don't have access to enough tests to test everyone they want to - no one does, anywhere apparently - so without knowing who they can let go as healthy, and with no place to reasonably send them if they do, whaddya do?

Bottom line, I don't think the decisions being made are stupid so much as just having to choose from a selection of really difficult options, in a fast-moving and constantly evolving situation. Would YOU want to be the one making them? I understand the frustration, but from where I sit as an arm-chair medical advisor, I would probably advise what they're doing. So keep an eye on everyone, keep the people in there apart, send the serious ones to the hospital, and keep the rest of them in quarantine until tests can cull out the ones who don't test positive.

Maybe some medical folks will weigh in and tell me my reasoning is crap, but I feel really really REALLY bad for medical people right now. I have issues with docs from time to time, but on the whole people who go into medicine are caring people. I think this situation is going to be a trial by fire for many.
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Exactly! That is a much better description. It is a horrible decision to make but I don't see a better one available. The only "better" would be if we had the ability to have truly isolated rooms so there was less chance for sharing virus but was as comfortable (or more) than the existing rooms. Since that isn't feasible, I don't know any other solution. The whole thing is awful to see and a big part of what we are seeing here is a lack of information. I think many people would feel better (for lack of a better word) if there was more up to date information available. Personally, I think people in positions to make decisions are working hard to address things and updates are sort of an afterthought (as is arguably reasonable given what they are attempting to address and how many lives could be lost if they don't) leaving people who live in this area uncertain of what is happening and what might come.

Are the grocery stores going to be stocked tomorrow? Next week? Will they be open or shut down for cleaning? What about schools? (That is a whole topic on its own as parents are having conversations about whether it is safe to send kids to school as schools are shutting down due to expose, but only after some days (or more) of potentially exposing kids.)

Anyway, it is fascinating to watch as I am stuck at home sick. We have plenty of food and supplies. Seeing so many choosing the best of bad choices is difficult and I am constantly grateful I am not the one having to make them!
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
A nursing home is a good place for them to be, actually. You want them in quarantine and everyone there has already been exposed. Nursing homes have doctors and nurses. My mother was in a nursing home the last 7 years of her life and I can assure you, she preferred being there over being sent to the hospital. I see nothing stupid about this decision. Being quarantined where they are and not being sent where they can expose more people is a very good idea in addition to the fact that taking them all to a hospital for quarantine may be impossible. Obviously people in poor condition would be taken if it was determined there was something there to help them that could not be provided there.
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True! It is just difficult having so little shared about what they are doing to protect those who are not infected and care for those who are. I feel horrible for the families who are (last I heard anyway) supposed to be self quarantining due to possible exposure and are literally sitting there hoping they get to see their loved ones alive again.
 
Sorry pet peeve but multiple people are doing this.
Disease name: COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)


Please do not call the virus "Covid-19". That is incorrect.
 
@Alex T @Niffler75 I’m in the southern half of Scotland. Nice to have some fellow Brits around here!
 
Serious question; what’s with the bottled water and million rolls of TP? Are we expecting in infected water supply? If you run out of TP take a shower.
 
partgypsy said:
Sorry pet peeve but multiple people are doing this.
Disease name: COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)


Please do not call the virus "Covid-19". That is incorrect.
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I am unclear as to what your peeve is, partgypsy. I would be happy to call this illness by its correct name, but so far I've just been calling it "Coronavirus".

Should people not use the disease name (COVID-19) when referring to it? I am not in the medical field (obviously).

Deb :wavey:
 
AprilBaby said:
Serious question; what’s with the bottled water and million rolls of TP? Are we expecting in infected water supply? If you run out of TP take a shower.
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Right!?!

One lady explained her stockpile of water as concern that a water company employee may get sick causing them to have to quarantine many/most of the other employees and clean the facility leading to the potential for no water available. (No, it does not make sense but that is what she was afraid of...)

I would understand getting a supply of water if the available tap water wasn't good to drink. I know some people in situations like that. Then it (sort of) makes sense to have water in case you get sick or whatever.
 
We are located fairly close to where 4 people have been diagnosed with the virus. We have family members who live and work in the locations people have tested positive for the virus. No one we know or have been in contact with is panicking. I think people want to be prepared should the virus spread at an alarming rate but I don’t think people are panicking by any stretch of the imagination. The grocery stores are fully stocked.

Feel better @Arcadian and @TooPatient , Please take good care of yourselves. I hope you feel better quickly.

@Mamabean , I’m with you on getting everything and being prepared. We shopped last week and ended up buying more over the weekend. We decided we would much rather shop while things are calm rather than try to get everything needed while everyone is in panic mode.

@Tekate, I too wonder if our government has the proper plans and processes in place to handle this. We have known about the vIrus for weeks now. Why are there so few testing kits available? If they don’t test, they don’t have anywhere near the accurate numbers of those who have the virus.
 
@Snowdrop13 Spent quite a few years on the west coast of Scotland near Glasgow as my husband was in the military, then relocated back to northern England.
 
@partgypsy if you're referring to me, don't be passive aggressive, say so. I won't bite anyone's head off over it.

the proper name is 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) per cdc and all the states in the country.

Now thats too much of a freaking mouthful for me, so I will go with Covid-19. Why? because I'm sick, tired, and sometimes not on a computer so typing all caps is a pain in the ass.
 
@Calliecake To be truthful I would be really nervous if it was close to me...I would already be in my house and staying away from people. I have more supplies in Maryland than I do here in Pa. I decided to do the shopping early to avoid the panic buying. I noticed there are some empty shelves. I laughed when I found four bottles of rubbing alcohol in my cabinet. I use it to clean my diamonds. There isn’t a bottle anywhere close to my house...and none on Amazon. The Aloe Vera gel I had in my Amazon cart yesterday is gone..I guess there are other people making their own hand sanitizer.
I hope you and your family stay safe..
 
I don't know about the TP situation. We were out, and we always buy it at Costco. But not a good sign to find out they were out. At the grocery store today, they were also out of the good TP, and most of the cold/sinus OTC meds were gone. We are just trying to shop normally. I guess others are doing whatever they are doing.

BTW, I'm sure there are hundreds of cases of COVID19 where tens are reported, thousands where hundreds are reported. If you can't test, you can't know. I feel like the powers that be want to keep it that way in some countries.
 
partgypsy said:
Sorry pet peeve but multiple people are doing this.
Disease name: COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2)


Please do not call the virus "Covid-19". That is incorrect.
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I think since the virus and disease both have the word coronavirus, I will start using CV and not have to remember which is which!
 
Arcadian said:
State of florida executive order. This is interesting reading

I'm not sure where to find any other state.
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Washington state also declared a state of emergency and San Diego and Solano counties in California. I don't find it alarming. Emergency declarations allow officials at the federal, state, and local levels to mobilize quickly and activate a menu of powers that they can use to respond to a crisis situation. For example it enabled King County in Washington to quickly purchase a hotel to quarantine people. In NY, Cuomo appropriated $40M to the state Health Department without declaring an emergency.
I'm not sure what other localities, counties or states have done so. I'm sure we will see more where there are clusters.
 
AGBF said:
I am unclear as to what your peeve is, partgypsy. I would be happy to call this illness by its correct name, but so far I've just been calling it "Coronavirus".

Should people not use the disease name (COVID-19) when referring to it? I am not in the medical field (obviously).

Deb :wavey:
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It wasn't just you Arcadian but multiple people referring to the virus as COVID-19, when that's not the name of the virus (it's the name of the disease it transmits)! Sorry if it is nitpicky.

If you want to refer to just the virus say "Sars-COV-2". If you want to refer to the disease yes then of course call it COVID-19 (or coronavirus).

You can also refer to both the disease and the virus as "coronavirus". There are other corona viruses, but everyone will know what you are talking about.
 
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I was due to attend a conference in Orlando, FL in early April and it just got cancelled.
 
I think when people are seriously concerned about a pandemic, what the virus is called is the least of their worries.
 
@AprilBaby , I don't get the water either, but TP is essential if you need to self quarantine. This happens without any further notice and has happened to people who or whose kids were supposedly in contact with an infected person.
Example: pediatric doctor went on holiday in Italy before true risk was known, came back, worked a few days, Infections in Italy exploded, he got texted, showed positive (no symptoms, btw) and BAM all his patients incl families were asked to self quarantine.

Two weeks at home without tp just didn't sound like a great idea.
 
I'll be going out today going from shop to shop looking for toilet paper.... :lol::lol::lol:

If I find any people can think I'm stockpiling like @Dee*Jay I'll be just glad to have some in the house!!!
 
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